Australian Politics Forum - Very good article on the closed minds of the Left

Jovial Monk

Gold Member

Offline

Dogs not cats!

Posts: 47963
Gender: male

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #165 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 4:08am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 4:33am:

Kat wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

The Right call us closed-minded, when it is our very open-mindedness which they fear.

An open mind is the enemy of, and the antidote to conservatism.

You're the most closed-minded and violent person on the forum. People would only fear you because you're a psychopath.

Have you met Longy, Misty?

Back to top

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.

IP Logged

Postmodern Trendoid III

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 10266
Gender: male

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #166 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:01am

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 4:29am:

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 9:07pm:

Holy poo the right wing crybaby victim complex in this thread. I've never seen such hyperbolic slippery slopes in my life. University students giving a voice to minorities and fighting bigotry is now comparable to the khmer rouge? Anti-science nonsense like climate change denial should given equal space as real science? What next anti vaxx pseudoscience should be allowed uncritically in hospitals?

Holy poo the righties on this forum are literally insane. Also for all the complaints about "safe spaces" isn't it funny its only now an issue that minorities are critiquing structureal racism and sexism. Never was a problem when every thing was a safe space for white people and every thing was whitewashed.

What does the political agenda of 'progressives' have to do with higher education? İf they want to play politics then there's The Greens and the Labor party to join. Higher education is far too important to be the play thing of a bunch of rebels with a burning hatred of everything Western. 'Progressives' are only selling students short of a proper education with their one-eyed view of the world.

Its almost like when you get a higher education especially in humanities which stresses critical thinking and analytical skills, people develop more nuanced views that allow them to look past the simple black/white narrative of reactionary conservatism.

Being critical and analytical doesn't automatically equate to left-wing views. In fact, critical and analytical thinking doesn't lean either way - they are merely tools for examination and understanding.

If you believe critical and analytical thinking is the domain of leftism, ask yourself why 95% of Humanities and Social Science graduates are a facsimile of each other.

Back to top

IP Logged

Postmodern Trendoid III

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 10266
Gender: male

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #167 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:02am

John Smith wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 8:58am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 4:29am:

ple and every thing was whitewashed.

What does the political agenda of 'progressives' have to do with higher education?

Quote:

yeah ... cause the conservative never bring politics into it Cheesy

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30218586/shocking-racist-white-student-union-faceboo...

That is an out of class group. I have nothing against politics outside the class room.

Back to top

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 35320
Gender: male

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #168 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:19am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:01am:

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 4:29am:

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 9:07pm:

Holy poo the right wing crybaby victim complex in this thread. I've never seen such hyperbolic slippery slopes in my life. University students giving a voice to minorities and fighting bigotry is now comparable to the khmer rouge? Anti-science nonsense like climate change denial should given equal space as real science? What next anti vaxx pseudoscience should be allowed uncritically in hospitals?

Holy poo the righties on this forum are literally insane. Also for all the complaints about "safe spaces" isn't it funny its only now an issue that minorities are critiquing structureal racism and sexism. Never was a problem when every thing was a safe space for white people and every thing was whitewashed.

What does the political agenda of 'progressives' have to do with higher education? İf they want to play politics then there's The Greens and the Labor party to join. Higher education is far too important to be the play thing of a bunch of rebels with a burning hatred of everything Western. 'Progressives' are only selling students short of a proper education with their one-eyed view of the world.

Its almost like when you get a higher education especially in humanities which stresses critical thinking and analytical skills, people develop more nuanced views that allow them to look past the simple black/white narrative of reactionary conservatism.

Being critical and analytical doesn't automatically equate to left-wing views. In fact, critical and analytical thinking doesn't lean either way - they are merely tools for examination and understanding.

If you believe critical and analytical thinking is the domain of leftism, ask yourself why 95% of Humanities and Social Science graduates are a facsimile of each other.

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.
they are fiscally conservative and so they analyse things so much better to see if there is bang for your buck.

it falls into the realm of a "self fulfilling prophesy"

2 cohorts of people, one of whom has poor ability to understand and analyse and one of whom has a good ability to understand and analyse.

let both cohorts loose in the economy and in 30 years , one will be rich and successful and one will still be struggling, probably beaten down and bewildered.

the rich cohort fall to the right
the bewildered bitter and beaten down cohort fall to the left.

surely no one reading Oz Politics could argue that
Kat, Pansi, Pecker, Mothra and several others are capable of critical analysis.
Surely no one is arguing that the goof balls on the street enraged about "occupy wall street" are the critical thinkers and the guys with 10 computer screens , sitting at a desk doing derivative trading cant think critically.

No, the left are ruled by their Emotions.

In his best seller Tony robbins has a whole chapter on how you cant get much done when you are always "swayed by your emotions"

lefties should read it.
wisdom of the world available for 29.95.
a great christmas present.

read it out loud to your leftie mates at the christmas dinner table.
Wink

Back to top

IP Logged

Dnarever

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 59419
Here
Gender: male

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #169 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:51am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.
they are fiscally conservative and so they analyse things so much better to see if there is bang for your buck.

it falls into the realm of a "self fulfilling prophesy"

2 cohorts of people, one of whom has poor ability to understand and analyse and one of whom has a good ability to understand and analyse.

let both cohorts loose in the economy and in 30 years , one will be rich and successful and one will still be struggling, probably beaten down and bewildered.

the rich cohort fall to the right
the bewildered bitter and beaten down cohort fall to the left.

surely no one reading Oz Politics could argue that
Kat, Pansi, Pecker, Mothra and several others are capable of critical analysis.
Surely no one is arguing that the goof balls on the street enraged about "occupy wall street" are the critical thinkers and the guys with 10 computer screens , sitting at a desk doing derivative trading cant think critically.

No, the left are ruled by their Emotions.

In his best seller Tony robbins has a whole chapter on how you cant get much done when you are always "swayed by your emotions"

lefties should read it.
wisdom of the world available for 29.95.
a great christmas present.

read it out loud to your leftie mates at the christmas dinner table.
Wink

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.

Interesting but I would think not from my experience.

You confuse a bulk of successful people who happily vote in their own interest with right thinking people when in fact most frequent is that they have no real political sway.

The right seem in my experience to be A type personalities - doers and not so much thinkers. I have been surprised in my lifetime among the people that I know to find that it is typical for the smartest people to very much tend to not be successful and for some of the dumbest I know to he hugely successful in business etc.

I can think of examples where fairly early in life people used critical thinking to work out that they were going to be better off to lead a quality life instead of getting onto the corporate treadmill. They took ordinary jobs and are moderately successful but focused on family and the things they see as important which does not include working 60 hr weeks and not knowing their children.

I can think of two guys who were never real smart but have been hugely successful one I had to tutor to help him pass a subject where he was clearly going to fail, the guy has millions today but he would still be the last person you would chose to solve an equation like 2+2=x. He found one thing he was good at and that is all he needed.

Most people I know who are successful in business are not good critical thinkers at all. they seem to be able to outsource this aspect if needed (probably to a lefty). A lot of success comes from a narrow focus with an understanding of what has worked and failed previously in that area.

Obviously some are very smart people and it is obviously industry specific to a degree but I have found that to be the exception.

Back to top

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 35320
Gender: male

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #170 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:27am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:51am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.
they are fiscally conservative and so they analyse things so much better to see if there is bang for your buck.

it falls into the realm of a "self fulfilling prophesy"

2 cohorts of people, one of whom has poor ability to understand and analyse and one of whom has a good ability to understand and analyse.

let both cohorts loose in the economy and in 30 years , one will be rich and successful and one will still be struggling, probably beaten down and bewildered.

the rich cohort fall to the right
the bewildered bitter and beaten down cohort fall to the left.

surely no one reading Oz Politics could argue that
Kat, Pansi, Pecker, Mothra and several others are capable of critical analysis.
Surely no one is arguing that the goof balls on the street enraged about "occupy wall street" are the critical thinkers and the guys with 10 computer screens , sitting at a desk doing derivative trading cant think critically.

No, the left are ruled by their Emotions.

In his best seller Tony robbins has a whole chapter on how you cant get much done when you are always "swayed by your emotions"

lefties should read it.
wisdom of the world available for 29.95.
a great christmas present.

read it out loud to your leftie mates at the christmas dinner table.
Wink

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.

Interesting but I would think not from my experience.

You confuse a bulk of successful people who happily vote in their own interest with right thinking people when in fact most frequent is that they have no real political sway.

The right seem in my experience to be A type personalities - doers and not so much thinkers. I have been surprised in my lifetime among the people that I know to find that it is typical for the smartest people to very much tend to not be successful and for some of the dumbest I know to he hugely successful in business etc.

I can think of examples where fairly early in life people used critical thinking to work out that they were going to be better off to lead a quality life instead of getting onto the corporate treadmill. They took ordinary jobs and are moderately successful but focused on family and the things they see as important which does not include working 60 hr weeks and not knowing their children.

I can think of two guys who were never real smart but have been hugely successful one I had to tutor to help him pass a subject where he was clearly going to fail, the guy has millions today but he would still be the last person you would chose to solve an equation like 2+2=x. He found one thing he was good at and that is all he needed.

Most people I know who are successful in business are not good critical thinkers at all. they seem to be able to outsource this aspect if needed (probably to a lefty). A lot of success comes from a narrow focus with an understanding of what has worked and failed previously in that area.

Obviously some are very smart people and it is obviously industry specific to a degree but I have found that to be the exception.

Very interesting DNA.

i would not deny that Rudd was an intelligent man.
i would not deny that Joh Bjelke was not highly intelligent.

But , by your own admission, intelligence does not equate with success.

i believe this to be true.

persistence, hard work, not being emotional, studying other successful people, having a life purpose.....
these are the things that lead to success in most aspects of life.

now i also think that they are the attributes that make a great leader.

this is the main criticism of the lefty intellectual surely
this is my criticism of the people (so called experts on Q and A)

They are living entirely in their head.

The other attributes (the ben chiffley locomotive driver attributes) are more important to good leadership then the intellectual elite attributes. Gough and Kevin were smart men if you wanted a smart man to orate at a dinner party to a bunch of sycophants.
but i would take a ben chiffley any day of the week.

Back to top

IP Logged

mariacostel

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 7344
Sydney
Gender: female

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #171 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:28am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:51am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.
they are fiscally conservative and so they analyse things so much better to see if there is bang for your buck.

it falls into the realm of a "self fulfilling prophesy"

2 cohorts of people, one of whom has poor ability to understand and analyse and one of whom has a good ability to understand and analyse.

let both cohorts loose in the economy and in 30 years , one will be rich and successful and one will still be struggling, probably beaten down and bewildered.

the rich cohort fall to the right
the bewildered bitter and beaten down cohort fall to the left.

surely no one reading Oz Politics could argue that
Kat, Pansi, Pecker, Mothra and several others are capable of critical analysis.
Surely no one is arguing that the goof balls on the street enraged about "occupy wall street" are the critical thinkers and the guys with 10 computer screens , sitting at a desk doing derivative trading cant think critically.

No, the left are ruled by their Emotions.

In his best seller Tony robbins has a whole chapter on how you cant get much done when you are always "swayed by your emotions"

lefties should read it.
wisdom of the world available for 29.95.
a great christmas present.

read it out loud to your leftie mates at the christmas dinner table.
Wink

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.

Interesting but I would think not from my experience.

You confuse a bulk of successful people who happily vote in their own interest with right thinking people when in fact most frequent is that they have no real political sway.

The right seem in my experience to be A type personalities - doers and not so much thinkers. I have been surprised in my lifetime among the people that I know to find that it is typical for the smartest people to very much tend to not be successful and for some of the dumbest I know to he hugely successful in business etc.

I can think of examples where fairly early in life people used critical thinking to work out that they were going to be better off to lead a quality life instead of getting onto the corporate treadmill. They took ordinary jobs and are moderately successful but focused on family and the things they see as important which does not include working 60 hr weeks and not knowing their children.

I can think of two guys who were never real smart but have been hugely successful one I had to tutor to help him pass a subject where he was clearly going to fail, the guy has millions today but he would still be the last person you would chose to solve an equation like 2+2=x. He found one thing he was good at and that is all he needed.

Most people I know who are successful in business are not good critical thinkers at all. they seem to be able to outsource this aspect if needed (probably to a lefty). A lot of success comes from a narrow focus with an understanding of what has worked and failed previously in that area.

Obviously some are very smart people and it is obviously industry specific to a degree but I have found that to be the exception.

The real confusion is on how most of you define right and left. There is scarcely a genuine left-winger here. Kiron and Green certainly are. The rest of you are centre right or fully right. Unfortunately, most of you seem to think that someone having a slighlty more conservative view than you makes them an 'extreme' right-winger while you then think you are a leftie. If you spent even ten minutes in debate with a genuine left-winger you would quickly discover that you have very little in common.

Next clue: the ALP is a centre-RIGHT party as is the coalition. the Greens are left.

Back to top

IP Logged

Dnarever

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 59419
Here
Gender: male

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #172 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:39am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:51am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.
they are fiscally conservative and so they analyse things so much better to see if there is bang for your buck.

it falls into the realm of a "self fulfilling prophesy"

2 cohorts of people, one of whom has poor ability to understand and analyse and one of whom has a good ability to understand and analyse.

let both cohorts loose in the economy and in 30 years , one will be rich and successful and one will still be struggling, probably beaten down and bewildered.

the rich cohort fall to the right
the bewildered bitter and beaten down cohort fall to the left.

surely no one reading Oz Politics could argue that
Kat, Pansi, Pecker, Mothra and several others are capable of critical analysis.
Surely no one is arguing that the goof balls on the street enraged about "occupy wall street" are the critical thinkers and the guys with 10 computer screens , sitting at a desk doing derivative trading cant think critically.

No, the left are ruled by their Emotions.

In his best seller Tony robbins has a whole chapter on how you cant get much done when you are always "swayed by your emotions"

lefties should read it.
wisdom of the world available for 29.95.
a great christmas present.

read it out loud to your leftie mates at the christmas dinner table.
Wink

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.

Interesting but I would think not from my experience.

You confuse a bulk of successful people who happily vote in their own interest with right thinking people when in fact most frequent is that they have no real political sway.

The right seem in my experience to be A type personalities - doers and not so much thinkers. I have been surprised in my lifetime among the people that I know to find that it is typical for the smartest people to very much tend to not be successful and for some of the dumbest I know to he hugely successful in business etc.

I can think of examples where fairly early in life people used critical thinking to work out that they were going to be better off to lead a quality life instead of getting onto the corporate treadmill. They took ordinary jobs and are moderately successful but focused on family and the things they see as important which does not include working 60 hr weeks and not knowing their children.

I can think of two guys who were never real smart but have been hugely successful one I had to tutor to help him pass a subject where he was clearly going to fail, the guy has millions today but he would still be the last person you would chose to solve an equation like 2+2=x. He found one thing he was good at and that is all he needed.

Most people I know who are successful in business are not good critical thinkers at all. they seem to be able to outsource this aspect if needed (probably to a lefty). A lot of success comes from a narrow focus with an understanding of what has worked and failed previously in that area.

Obviously some are very smart people and it is obviously industry specific to a degree but I have found that to be the exception.

The real confusion is on how most of you define right and left. There is scarcely a genuine left-winger here. Kiron and Green certainly are. The rest of you are centre right or fully right. Unfortunately, most of you seem to think that someone having a slighlty more conservative view than you makes them an 'extreme' right-winger while you then think you are a leftie. If you spent even ten minutes in debate with a genuine left-winger you would quickly discover that you have very little in common.

Next clue: the ALP is a centre-RIGHT party as is the coalition. the Greens are left.

slighlty more conservative view than you makes them an 'extreme' right-winger

I agree that Labor are a centre right party. The conservative view is considerably further to the right of this point.

i.e significantly further right of centre right puts you where ?

Using the word slightly is a trick that fails to hold water there is no slightly about it.

I have come to terms that I am considered a lefty here because I am clearly left of being far to the right.

I consider myself to be a little right on economy and a little left on social issues but have changed a bit the last decade or so. The Howard government moved my views further to the left or further away from the Liberal party position anyway.

People who assume that I support Labor or agree with their policies are not correct a lot of the time.

Back to top

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 35320
Gender: male

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #173 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:50am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:51am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.
they are fiscally conservative and so they analyse things so much better to see if there is bang for your buck.

it falls into the realm of a "self fulfilling prophesy"

2 cohorts of people, one of whom has poor ability to understand and analyse and one of whom has a good ability to understand and analyse.

let both cohorts loose in the economy and in 30 years , one will be rich and successful and one will still be struggling, probably beaten down and bewildered.

the rich cohort fall to the right
the bewildered bitter and beaten down cohort fall to the left.

surely no one reading Oz Politics could argue that
Kat, Pansi, Pecker, Mothra and several others are capable of critical analysis.
Surely no one is arguing that the goof balls on the street enraged about "occupy wall street" are the critical thinkers and the guys with 10 computer screens , sitting at a desk doing derivative trading cant think critically.

No, the left are ruled by their Emotions.

In his best seller Tony robbins has a whole chapter on how you cant get much done when you are always "swayed by your emotions"

lefties should read it.
wisdom of the world available for 29.95.
a great christmas present.

read it out loud to your leftie mates at the christmas dinner table.
Wink

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.

Interesting but I would think not from my experience.

You confuse a bulk of successful people who happily vote in their own interest with right thinking people when in fact most frequent is that they have no real political sway.

The right seem in my experience to be A type personalities - doers and not so much thinkers. I have been surprised in my lifetime among the people that I know to find that it is typical for the smartest people to very much tend to not be successful and for some of the dumbest I know to he hugely successful in business etc.

I can think of examples where fairly early in life people used critical thinking to work out that they were going to be better off to lead a quality life instead of getting onto the corporate treadmill. They took ordinary jobs and are moderately successful but focused on family and the things they see as important which does not include working 60 hr weeks and not knowing their children.

I can think of two guys who were never real smart but have been hugely successful one I had to tutor to help him pass a subject where he was clearly going to fail, the guy has millions today but he would still be the last person you would chose to solve an equation like 2+2=x. He found one thing he was good at and that is all he needed.

Most people I know who are successful in business are not good critical thinkers at all. they seem to be able to outsource this aspect if needed (probably to a lefty). A lot of success comes from a narrow focus with an understanding of what has worked and failed previously in that area.

Obviously some are very smart people and it is obviously industry specific to a degree but I have found that to be the exception.

The real confusion is on how most of you define right and left. There is scarcely a genuine left-winger here. Kiron and Green certainly are. The rest of you are centre right or fully right. Unfortunately, most of you seem to think that someone having a slighlty more conservative view than you makes them an 'extreme' right-winger while you then think you are a leftie. If you spent even ten minutes in debate with a genuine left-winger you would quickly discover that you have very little in common.

Next clue: the ALP is a centre-RIGHT party as is the coalition. the Greens are left.

dont tell Monk Wink

Back to top

IP Logged

Kytro

Gold Member

Offline

Blasphemy: a victimless
crime

Posts: 3409
Adelaide
Gender: male

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #174 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:57am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 7:14am:

The totalitarian mindset of the Left is demonstrated very clearly in this personal experience of hers. Where there should be 'education' there is only an intolerant and strait-jacketed view of the world.

A lot of our universities have been turning out idiots with no capacity for looking beyond what their facile and jaundiced Leftwing luvvie lecturers have been telling them.

link

Politics and ideology can make people closed-minded. If you think this is restricted any particular leaning, you are in for a surprise.

Back to top

IP Logged

mariacostel

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 7344
Sydney
Gender: female

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #175 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:53am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:39am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:51am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.
they are fiscally conservative and so they analyse things so much better to see if there is bang for your buck.

it falls into the realm of a "self fulfilling prophesy"

2 cohorts of people, one of whom has poor ability to understand and analyse and one of whom has a good ability to understand and analyse.

let both cohorts loose in the economy and in 30 years , one will be rich and successful and one will still be struggling, probably beaten down and bewildered.

the rich cohort fall to the right
the bewildered bitter and beaten down cohort fall to the left.

surely no one reading Oz Politics could argue that
Kat, Pansi, Pecker, Mothra and several others are capable of critical analysis.
Surely no one is arguing that the goof balls on the street enraged about "occupy wall street" are the critical thinkers and the guys with 10 computer screens , sitting at a desk doing derivative trading cant think critically.

No, the left are ruled by their Emotions.

In his best seller Tony robbins has a whole chapter on how you cant get much done when you are always "swayed by your emotions"

lefties should read it.
wisdom of the world available for 29.95.
a great christmas present.

read it out loud to your leftie mates at the christmas dinner table.
Wink

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.

Interesting but I would think not from my experience.

You confuse a bulk of successful people who happily vote in their own interest with right thinking people when in fact most frequent is that they have no real political sway.

The right seem in my experience to be A type personalities - doers and not so much thinkers. I have been surprised in my lifetime among the people that I know to find that it is typical for the smartest people to very much tend to not be successful and for some of the dumbest I know to he hugely successful in business etc.

I can think of examples where fairly early in life people used critical thinking to work out that they were going to be better off to lead a quality life instead of getting onto the corporate treadmill. They took ordinary jobs and are moderately successful but focused on family and the things they see as important which does not include working 60 hr weeks and not knowing their children.

I can think of two guys who were never real smart but have been hugely successful one I had to tutor to help him pass a subject where he was clearly going to fail, the guy has millions today but he would still be the last person you would chose to solve an equation like 2+2=x. He found one thing he was good at and that is all he needed.

Most people I know who are successful in business are not good critical thinkers at all. they seem to be able to outsource this aspect if needed (probably to a lefty). A lot of success comes from a narrow focus with an understanding of what has worked and failed previously in that area.

Obviously some are very smart people and it is obviously industry specific to a degree but I have found that to be the exception.

The real confusion is on how most of you define right and left. There is scarcely a genuine left-winger here. Kiron and Green certainly are. The rest of you are centre right or fully right. Unfortunately, most of you seem to think that someone having a slighlty more conservative view than you makes them an 'extreme' right-winger while you then think you are a leftie. If you spent even ten minutes in debate with a genuine left-winger you would quickly discover that you have very little in common.

Next clue: the ALP is a centre-RIGHT party as is the coalition. the Greens are left.

slighlty more conservative view than you makes them an 'extreme' right-winger

I agree that Labor are a centre right party. The conservative view is considerably further to the right of this point.

i.e significantly further right of centre right puts you where ?

Using the word slightly is a trick that fails to hold water there is no slightly about it.

I have come to terms that I am considered a lefty here because I am clearly left of being far to the right.

I consider myself to be a little right on economy and a little left on social issues but have changed a bit the last decade or so. The Howard government moved my views further to the left or further away from the Liberal party position anyway.

People who assume that I support Labor or agree with their policies are not correct a lot of the time.

There is virtually no difference between ALP and Libs on the left-right spectrum. Barely a paper-thickness. ON policies of substance there is total agreement and the variations are on the details only. If you want to dispute this find a policy of absolute difference. You will struggle to do so. The devil may be in the details, but it still puts labor and libs in pretty much the same place in the political spectrum.

Back to top

IP Logged

Karnal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 96815

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #176 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:10am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:53am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:39am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:51am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.
they are fiscally conservative and so they analyse things so much better to see if there is bang for your buck.

it falls into the realm of a "self fulfilling prophesy"

2 cohorts of people, one of whom has poor ability to understand and analyse and one of whom has a good ability to understand and analyse.

let both cohorts loose in the economy and in 30 years , one will be rich and successful and one will still be struggling, probably beaten down and bewildered.

the rich cohort fall to the right
the bewildered bitter and beaten down cohort fall to the left.

surely no one reading Oz Politics could argue that
Kat, Pansi, Pecker, Mothra and several others are capable of critical analysis.
Surely no one is arguing that the goof balls on the street enraged about "occupy wall street" are the critical thinkers and the guys with 10 computer screens , sitting at a desk doing derivative trading cant think critically.

No, the left are ruled by their Emotions.

In his best seller Tony robbins has a whole chapter on how you cant get much done when you are always "swayed by your emotions"

lefties should read it.
wisdom of the world available for 29.95.
a great christmas present.

read it out loud to your leftie mates at the christmas dinner table.
Wink

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.

Interesting but I would think not from my experience.

You confuse a bulk of successful people who happily vote in their own interest with right thinking people when in fact most frequent is that they have no real political sway.

The right seem in my experience to be A type personalities - doers and not so much thinkers. I have been surprised in my lifetime among the people that I know to find that it is typical for the smartest people to very much tend to not be successful and for some of the dumbest I know to he hugely successful in business etc.

I can think of examples where fairly early in life people used critical thinking to work out that they were going to be better off to lead a quality life instead of getting onto the corporate treadmill. They took ordinary jobs and are moderately successful but focused on family and the things they see as important which does not include working 60 hr weeks and not knowing their children.

I can think of two guys who were never real smart but have been hugely successful one I had to tutor to help him pass a subject where he was clearly going to fail, the guy has millions today but he would still be the last person you would chose to solve an equation like 2+2=x. He found one thing he was good at and that is all he needed.

Most people I know who are successful in business are not good critical thinkers at all. they seem to be able to outsource this aspect if needed (probably to a lefty). A lot of success comes from a narrow focus with an understanding of what has worked and failed previously in that area.

Obviously some are very smart people and it is obviously industry specific to a degree but I have found that to be the exception.

The real confusion is on how most of you define right and left. There is scarcely a genuine left-winger here. Kiron and Green certainly are. The rest of you are centre right or fully right. Unfortunately, most of you seem to think that someone having a slighlty more conservative view than you makes them an 'extreme' right-winger while you then think you are a leftie. If you spent even ten minutes in debate with a genuine left-winger you would quickly discover that you have very little in common.

Next clue: the ALP is a centre-RIGHT party as is the coalition. the Greens are left.

slighlty more conservative view than you makes them an 'extreme' right-winger

I agree that Labor are a centre right party. The conservative view is considerably further to the right of this point.

i.e significantly further right of centre right puts you where ?

Using the word slightly is a trick that fails to hold water there is no slightly about it.

I have come to terms that I am considered a lefty here because I am clearly left of being far to the
People who assume that I support Labor or agree with their policies are not correct a lot of the time.

There is virtually no difference between ALP and Libs on the left-right spectrum. Barely a paper-thickness. ON policies of substance there is total agreement and the variations are on the details only. If you want to dispute this find a policy of absolute difference. You will struggle to do so. The devil may be in the details, but it still puts labor and libs in pretty much the same place in the political spectrum.

Which is why we've all wondered why you go to such great lengths with your maths, dear. Why do you bother?

Back to top

IP Logged

Postmodern Trendoid III

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 10266
Gender: male

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #177 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:19pm

stunspore wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:06pm:

All this over an article from the UK. Pointless.

Any different from say, a church talking about the evils of homosexuality, a mosque sprouting islamic stuff, or bunch of rich old guys/gals sitting at a club thinking up ways of rentseeking?

People will just bounce off each other in an exponential positive feedback loop until something gives. Nothing peculiar.

It's very different. Universities are meant to teach knowledge and produce independent thinkers. The groups you mention don't.

Quote:

I suppose people might think Unis are very particularly biased. Well they are generally reliant on public funding - which by nature is something the "conservatives" hate unless they can influence them to make sure votes go their way, I suppose. The only time they don't mind public funding is when it goes to their mates' companies or their own pockets.

The mission of the universities should stand above left and right. Teaching knowledge and producing independent thinkers is far more important than the political agenda of "progressives".

Back to top

IP Logged

Postmodern Trendoid III

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 10266
Gender: male

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #178 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:20pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 4:08am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 4:33am:

Kat wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

The Right call us closed-minded, when it is our very open-mindedness which they fear.

An open mind is the enemy of, and the antidote to conservatism.

You're the most closed-minded and violent person on the forum. People would only fear you because you're a psychopath.

Have you met Longy, Misty?

I've not seen him say he wants to kill those who oppose him.

Back to top

IP Logged

Postmodern Trendoid III

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 10266
Gender: male

Re: Very good article on the closed minds of the Left
Reply #179 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:24pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 6:19am:

in fact, my observation is that critical analysis is done much much better by the right.
they are fiscally conservative and so they analyse things so much better to see if there is bang for your buck.

it falls into the realm of a "self fulfilling prophesy"

2 cohorts of people, one of whom has poor ability to understand and analyse and one of whom has a good ability to understand and analyse.

let both cohorts loose in the economy and in 30 years , one will be rich and successful and one will still be struggling, probably beaten down and bewildered.

the rich cohort fall to the right
the bewildered bitter and beaten down cohort fall to the left.

surely no one reading Oz Politics could argue that
Kat, Pansi, Pecker, Mothra and several others are capable of critical analysis.
Surely no one is arguing that the goof balls on the street enraged about "occupy wall street" are the critical thinkers and the guys with 10 computer screens , sitting at a desk doing derivative trading cant think critically.

No, the left are ruled by their Emotions.

In his best seller Tony robbins has a whole chapter on how you cant get much done when you are always "swayed by your emotions"

lefties should read it.
wisdom of the world available for 29.95.
a great christmas present.

read it out loud to your leftie mates at the christmas dinner table.
Wink

Yeah. The left are far more emotional than the right; although, if you go to the far right then they're on par with the lefties. I am far more interested in reading critiques of social conservatism and libertarianism from other conservatives and libertarians.

Back to top

IP Logged

Poll
Question: How many insane righties on this forum?
1-6 1 (8.3%) 7-12 3 (25.0%) 13-18 2 (16.7%) 19-24 0 (0.0%) All of them. 6 (50.0%) Total votes: 12 « Last Modified by: sir prince duke alevine on: Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:43am »