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Reply #30 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:54pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

More refugees drowned last year than in previous years. Just because they don't drown on our door step does not mean anything got better.

In fact by forcing them to take more dangerous sea trips we probably caused more to drown

There are at least 5 other countries closer to where these people come from that signed the UN Refugee convention

No need to take these dangerous trips across the ocean

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Reply #31 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 3:14pm

double plus good wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

That's grade a bull flop. Putting the responsibility back on Indonesia is definitely part of the solution. If refugees drown in Indonesian waters its a problem; it's just not OUR problem.

Once they have reached safety and we put them back into danger I would think we have some responsibility.

We can't say that we want to stop them making the trip because it is too dangerous and to then force them to make it twice.

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Reply #32 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 3:43pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

More refugees drowned last year than in previous years. Just because they don't drown on our door step does not mean anything got better.

In fact by forcing them to take more dangerous sea trips we probably caused more to drown

There are at least 5 other countries closer to where these people come from that signed the UN Refugee convention

No need to take these dangerous trips across the ocean

Name them.

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Reply #33 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 3:56pm

cods wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Indonesia did not sign the refugee convention Australia did....Indonesia are shouldering the burden of Australian domestic policy regarding refugees, where Australia says one thing (we will asses asylum seeker claims) yet in practice we disregard the refugee convention and engage in rebounding refugees without assessing their claims....Australia has nothing to be proud of and deserves the criticism Indonesia are levelling at us...Take our name off the refugee convention Malcolm and stop the hypocrisy that is costing lives...Otherwise honour the commitment we made over 40 years ago!!!

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SO not signing it makes them A.OK.. Cheesy

typical lefty double standards..

gawd I hope you dont need that explaining to you......like some lefties.

I am not the one with double standards Cods....Indonesia who in a perfect world should sign the refugee convention along with many other countries....If more Muslim countries accepted refugees it would be better for those fleeing persecution to be accepted into moderate societies....However it is their decision to do so not ours....Our decision was to accept asylum seekers and access their claims!!!

I am pointing out Australia is the pull factor not Indonesia yet we burden them with refugees who are only there because of our policy on Immigration....The only solution is for Australia to remove itself from the refugee convention and save billions of dollars....Giving refugees false hope is our fault alone!!!

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Reply #34 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 4:07pm

double plus good wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

That's grade a bull flop. Putting the responsibility back on Indonesia is definitely part of the solution. If refugees drown in Indonesian waters its a problem; it's just not OUR problem.

I have explained my position with reasoning not rhetoric....The only solution is removing Australia from the refugee convention or convincing other nations in our region to sign it....Continuing on with this crap policy does nobody any good....And you think it is not our problem when it costs us billions!!!

It is obvious most Australian's are now against asylum seekers (illegal immigrants) entering the country and it is costing to much to continue with this policy....Removing ourselves from the convention solves the problem....We can then increase our humanitarian intake to help those who are most in need IMO!!!

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double plus good Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5693 Gender:	Re: Indonesia Protests Boat Push Back Reply #35 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 4:37pm They have reached safety once they hit Indonesia. Indonesia shuffle them unto us because they know they can outwit the leftards. THAT'S what's costing us billions.
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Reply #36 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 4:45pm

mothra wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

More refugees drowned last year than in previous years. Just because they don't drown on our door step does not mean anything got better.

In fact by forcing them to take more dangerous sea trips we probably caused more to drown

There are at least 5 other countries closer to where these people come from that signed the UN Refugee convention

No need to take these dangerous trips across the ocean

Name them.

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Reply #37 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 4:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 4:45pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 3:43pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

More refugees drowned last year than in previous years. Just because they don't drown on our door step does not mean anything got better.

In fact by forcing them to take more dangerous sea trips we probably caused more to drown

There are at least 5 other countries closer to where these people come from that signed the UN Refugee convention

No need to take these dangerous trips across the ocean

Name them.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/25677603/images/1372341070455.jpg

Yeah i figure i'll be waiting a while.

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double plus good Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5693 Gender:	Re: Indonesia Protests Boat Push Back Reply #38 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:01pm Indonesia should be wondering how boat loads of foreigners seem to be able to set sail out of Indonesian ports and go wherever they want. Then again, I believe they know exactly what's going on. Who cares if Indonesia is upset.
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Reply #39 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:04pm

double plus good wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

Indonesia should be wondering how boat loads of foreigners seem to be able to set sail out of Indonesian ports and go wherever they want. Then again, I believe they know exactly what's going on. Who cares if Indonesia is upset.

Yes indeed Double. Why should we worry if our closest neighbour is upset with us?

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Reply #40 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:08pm

mothra wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

double plus good wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

Indonesia should be wondering how boat loads of foreigners seem to be able to set sail out of Indonesian ports and go wherever they want. Then again, I believe they know exactly what's going on. Who cares if Indonesia is upset.

Yes indeed Double. Why should we worry if our closest neighbour is upset with us?

Be fair Mothra. Shouldn't you be criticizing Indonesia for letting boatloads of men , women and children floundering out of their ports while overloaded and then sinking??? What sort of country let's that happen?

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Reply #41 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:12pm

double plus good wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

double plus good wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

Indonesia should be wondering how boat loads of foreigners seem to be able to set sail out of Indonesian ports and go wherever they want. Then again, I believe they know exactly what's going on. Who cares if Indonesia is upset.

Yes indeed Double. Why should we worry if our closest neighbour is upset with us?

Be fair Mothra. Shouldn't you be criticizing Indonesia for letting boatloads of men , women and children floundering out of their ports while overloaded and then sinking??? What sort of country let's that happen?

My problems with Indonesia and human rights are extensive. What has that got to do with us needing a working diplomatic relationship with them?

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double plus good Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5693 Gender:	Re: Indonesia Protests Boat Push Back Reply #42 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:14pm From article- "In my country there are many problems, everything is expensive, wages low, many killings. All I want in Australia is to make a living, and they didn't help," Mr Anwar said. He just wants to make a living!!! I thought they were escaping danger!!
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Reply #43 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:15pm

mothra wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

double plus good wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

double plus good wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

Indonesia should be wondering how boat loads of foreigners seem to be able to set sail out of Indonesian ports and go wherever they want. Then again, I believe they know exactly what's going on. Who cares if Indonesia is upset.

Yes indeed Double. Why should we worry if our closest neighbour is upset with us?

Be fair Mothra. Shouldn't you be criticizing Indonesia for letting boatloads of men , women and children floundering out of their ports while overloaded and then sinking??? What sort of country let's that happen?

My problems with Indonesia and human rights are extensive. What has that got to do with us needing a working diplomatic relationship with them?

Because they don't want to work with Australia. Isn't it obvious??

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Reply #44 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 5:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:46pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:23pm:

Since 2013 - there's been one or at best 2 boats

Under Labor/Greens 55,000+ illegals and hundreds died

Since 2013 there's been dozens of boats.

Under Liberal 60,000+ asylum seekers, and thousands have died.

I can make up figures like ...

... Maqqa did:

"Since 2013 - there's been one or at best 2 boats

"Under Labor/Greens 55,000+ illegals and hundreds died"

Yes it was 50,000 illegals and 1100 died.

Your point?

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