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Reply #90 - Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:21pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Maqqa wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:07pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:52pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 2:02pm:
The pull factor and the only reason asylum seekers are in Indonesia is the fact Australia is a signatory to the refugee convention....Remove our signature from the convention and the problem would be solved..



I've never understood why the libs, who were so opposed to asylum seekers, didn't do just that! It doesn't make sense that they ignore the convention and still remain party to it.



I'd look really bad if we withdrew form the Convention. We only maintain our signature to save face. We're in the process of trying to schmooze the UN.

The kicker is, we are losing it by degrees for our treatment of asylum seekers.


Never opposed to asylum seekers. Those who patiently wait inline and not complain

Just opposed to country shoppers, queue jumpers, verification avoidance and those who wilfully try to take advantage of Australia's generosity


There is no queue that one joins, in order to become an asylum seeker.

You have been misinformed.


Doesn't it start at Australia's front door ?


No.

There's no front door, or back door.

No queue, and no illegal activity.



Because if 10000 people apply for asylum they are all processed at exactly the same time. The government gets 10,000 staff to interview and review them all on the same day and the 30,000 back office people do the same. Because there is 'no queue'.

Of course there is a queue you daft git.


No.  There's no queue.

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Reply #91 - Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:03pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:21pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Maqqa wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:07pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:52pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 2:02pm:
The pull factor and the only reason asylum seekers are in Indonesia is the fact Australia is a signatory to the refugee convention....Remove our signature from the convention and the problem would be solved..



I've never understood why the libs, who were so opposed to asylum seekers, didn't do just that! It doesn't make sense that they ignore the convention and still remain party to it.



I'd look really bad if we withdrew form the Convention. We only maintain our signature to save face. We're in the process of trying to schmooze the UN.

The kicker is, we are losing it by degrees for our treatment of asylum seekers.


Never opposed to asylum seekers. Those who patiently wait inline and not complain

Just opposed to country shoppers, queue jumpers, verification avoidance and those who wilfully try to take advantage of Australia's generosity


There is no queue that one joins, in order to become an asylum seeker.

You have been misinformed.


Doesn't it start at Australia's front door ?


No.

There's no front door, or back door.

No queue, and no illegal activity.



Because if 10000 people apply for asylum they are all processed at exactly the same time. The government gets 10,000 staff to interview and review them all on the same day and the 30,000 back office people do the same. Because there is 'no queue'.

Of course there is a queue you daft git.


No.  There's no queue.



There is a queue peccahead.

Every boat person that arrived displaced someone from the quota we had for taking people in overseas camps, those who could afford to pay people smugglers pushed in.


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Reply #92 - Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:11pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:21pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Maqqa wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:07pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:52pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 2:02pm:
The pull factor and the only reason asylum seekers are in Indonesia is the fact Australia is a signatory to the refugee convention....Remove our signature from the convention and the problem would be solved..



I've never understood why the libs, who were so opposed to asylum seekers, didn't do just that! It doesn't make sense that they ignore the convention and still remain party to it.



I'd look really bad if we withdrew form the Convention. We only maintain our signature to save face. We're in the process of trying to schmooze the UN.

The kicker is, we are losing it by degrees for our treatment of asylum seekers.


Never opposed to asylum seekers. Those who patiently wait inline and not complain

Just opposed to country shoppers, queue jumpers, verification avoidance and those who wilfully try to take advantage of Australia's generosity


There is no queue that one joins, in order to become an asylum seeker.

You have been misinformed.


Doesn't it start at Australia's front door ?


No.

There's no front door, or back door.

No queue, and no illegal activity.



Because if 10000 people apply for asylum they are all processed at exactly the same time. The government gets 10,000 staff to interview and review them all on the same day and the 30,000 back office people do the same. Because there is 'no queue'.

Of course there is a queue you daft git.


No.  There's no queue.



There is a queue peccahead.

Every boat person that arrived displaced someone from the quota we had for taking people in overseas camps, those who could afford to pay people smugglers pushed in.




Peccerhead relies on a pointless pedantic diversion.  He equates leaving a beach with processing and process and quotas.   

Hence when he says there is no queue he is talking about there being no queue to access and pay a people smuggler or get yourself a dinghy. 

Most people, apart from obfuscating idiots understand what is meant by the queue and being removed from it.  Hell Gillard made promises that country shoppers would go to the back of the queue.  Rudd made it explicit with his promise that if you arrived as a country shopper you would not even get onto the queue.

And yes, every country shopper displaces someone from the intake quota. 

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Reply #93 - Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:25pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:11pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:21pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Maqqa wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:07pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:52pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 2:02pm:
The pull factor and the only reason asylum seekers are in Indonesia is the fact Australia is a signatory to the refugee convention....Remove our signature from the convention and the problem would be solved..



I've never understood why the libs, who were so opposed to asylum seekers, didn't do just that! It doesn't make sense that they ignore the convention and still remain party to it.



I'd look really bad if we withdrew form the Convention. We only maintain our signature to save face. We're in the process of trying to schmooze the UN.

The kicker is, we are losing it by degrees for our treatment of asylum seekers.


Never opposed to asylum seekers. Those who patiently wait inline and not complain

Just opposed to country shoppers, queue jumpers, verification avoidance and those who wilfully try to take advantage of Australia's generosity


There is no queue that one joins, in order to become an asylum seeker.

You have been misinformed.


Doesn't it start at Australia's front door ?


No.

There's no front door, or back door.

No queue, and no illegal activity.



Because if 10000 people apply for asylum they are all processed at exactly the same time. The government gets 10,000 staff to interview and review them all on the same day and the 30,000 back office people do the same. Because there is 'no queue'.

Of course there is a queue you daft git.


No.  There's no queue.



There is a queue peccahead.

Every boat person that arrived displaced someone from the quota we had for taking people in overseas camps, those who could afford to pay people smugglers pushed in.




Peccerhead relies on a pointless pedantic diversion.  He equates leaving a beach with processing and process and quotas.   

Hence when he says there is no queue he is talking about there being no queue to access and pay a people smuggler or get yourself a dinghy. 

Most people, apart from obfuscating idiots understand what is meant by the queue and being removed from it.  Hell Gillard made promises that country shoppers would go to the back of the queue.  Rudd made it explicit with his promise that if you arrived as a country shopper you would not even get onto the queue.

And yes, every country shopper displaces someone from the intake quota. 




Fact 2: There’s no official queue for people coming to Australia seeking a safe place to live

But six out of 10 people think there is.

The United Nations process of resettling refugees in other safe countries doesn’t operate like a queue. It’s not a matter of lining up, waiting for your number to come up – this is not the supermarket deli counter. The resettlement system operates as a discretionary process, based on changing criteria. It’s more like a lottery than it is like a queue.

If this mythical global queue did actually exist, based on the number of refugees there are in the world, people joining the end might wait 170 years to get to the front.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/15/theres-no-legal-queue-and-t...
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Reply #94 - Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:47pm
 
mothra wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:25pm:
The resettlement system operates as a discretionary process, based on changing criteria. It’s more like a lottery than it is like a queue.


Where those arriving by boat try to scam the lottery.
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Reply #95 - Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:58pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:47pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:25pm:
The resettlement system operates as a discretionary process, based on changing criteria. It’s more like a lottery than it is like a queue.


Where those arriving by boat try to scam the lottery.



I love the pedantry!  Just watch the pecca try and pedant every single fact away. One wonders why he bothers.  Maybe it gives his life purpose, which is perhaps the saddest thing imaginable.
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Reply #96 - Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:05pm
 
mothra wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:25pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:11pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:21pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Maqqa wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:07pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:52pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 2:02pm:
The pull factor and the only reason asylum seekers are in Indonesia is the fact Australia is a signatory to the refugee convention....Remove our signature from the convention and the problem would be solved..



I've never understood why the libs, who were so opposed to asylum seekers, didn't do just that! It doesn't make sense that they ignore the convention and still remain party to it.



I'd look really bad if we withdrew form the Convention. We only maintain our signature to save face. We're in the process of trying to schmooze the UN.

The kicker is, we are losing it by degrees for our treatment of asylum seekers.


Never opposed to asylum seekers. Those who patiently wait inline and not complain

Just opposed to country shoppers, queue jumpers, verification avoidance and those who wilfully try to take advantage of Australia's generosity


There is no queue that one joins, in order to become an asylum seeker.

You have been misinformed.


Doesn't it start at Australia's front door ?


No.

There's no front door, or back door.

No queue, and no illegal activity.



Because if 10000 people apply for asylum they are all processed at exactly the same time. The government gets 10,000 staff to interview and review them all on the same day and the 30,000 back office people do the same. Because there is 'no queue'.

Of course there is a queue you daft git.


No.  There's no queue.



There is a queue peccahead.

Every boat person that arrived displaced someone from the quota we had for taking people in overseas camps, those who could afford to pay people smugglers pushed in.




Peccerhead relies on a pointless pedantic diversion.  He equates leaving a beach with processing and process and quotas.   

Hence when he says there is no queue he is talking about there being no queue to access and pay a people smuggler or get yourself a dinghy. 

Most people, apart from obfuscating idiots understand what is meant by the queue and being removed from it.  Hell Gillard made promises that country shoppers would go to the back of the queue.  Rudd made it explicit with his promise that if you arrived as a country shopper you would not even get onto the queue.

And yes, every country shopper displaces someone from the intake quota. 




Fact 2: There’s no official queue for people coming to Australia seeking a safe place to live

But six out of 10 people think there is.

The United Nations process of resettling refugees in other safe countries doesn’t operate like a queue. It’s not a matter of lining up, waiting for your number to come up – this is not the supermarket deli counter. The resettlement system operates as a discretionary process, based on changing criteria. It’s more like a lottery than it is like a queue.

If this mythical global queue did actually exist, based on the number of refugees there are in the world, people joining the end might wait 170 years to get to the front.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/15/theres-no-legal-queue-and-t...


Official LOL. 

"If someone seeks to come to Australia, then they are at risk of going to Malaysia and going to the back of the queue"

Gillard. 

Outside of the narrow definitions used by clowns for self serving reasons, there exists lists and priorities, numbers are restricted, people can be moved around on those lists and removed from those lists. 

Country shoppers washing up seek to do so to force their way into that process and by being physically present and thus needing to be processed force their prioritisation over others not present.   

That clowns do not understand that is not my lookout, it just illustrates your idiocy.
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Reply #98 - Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:10pm
 
mothra wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:25pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:11pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:21pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Maqqa wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:07pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:52pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 2:02pm:
The pull factor and the only reason asylum seekers are in Indonesia is the fact Australia is a signatory to the refugee convention....Remove our signature from the convention and the problem would be solved..



I've never understood why the libs, who were so opposed to asylum seekers, didn't do just that! It doesn't make sense that they ignore the convention and still remain party to it.



I'd look really bad if we withdrew form the Convention. We only maintain our signature to save face. We're in the process of trying to schmooze the UN.

The kicker is, we are losing it by degrees for our treatment of asylum seekers.


Never opposed to asylum seekers. Those who patiently wait inline and not complain

Just opposed to country shoppers, queue jumpers, verification avoidance and those who wilfully try to take advantage of Australia's generosity


There is no queue that one joins, in order to become an asylum seeker.

You have been misinformed.


Doesn't it start at Australia's front door ?


No.

There's no front door, or back door.

No queue, and no illegal activity.



Because if 10000 people apply for asylum they are all processed at exactly the same time. The government gets 10,000 staff to interview and review them all on the same day and the 30,000 back office people do the same. Because there is 'no queue'.

Of course there is a queue you daft git.


No.  There's no queue.



There is a queue peccahead.

Every boat person that arrived displaced someone from the quota we had for taking people in overseas camps, those who could afford to pay people smugglers pushed in.




Peccerhead relies on a pointless pedantic diversion.  He equates leaving a beach with processing and process and quotas.   

Hence when he says there is no queue he is talking about there being no queue to access and pay a people smuggler or get yourself a dinghy. 

Most people, apart from obfuscating idiots understand what is meant by the queue and being removed from it.  Hell Gillard made promises that country shoppers would go to the back of the queue.  Rudd made it explicit with his promise that if you arrived as a country shopper you would not even get onto the queue.

And yes, every country shopper displaces someone from the intake quota. 




Fact 2: There’s no official queue for people coming to Australia seeking a safe place to live

But six out of 10 people think there is.


Australia has a UN obligation to take around 14,000 refugees every year, we take over and above our UN obligations.

When we had 10,000 boat people come in we only took 4,000  registered refugees from overseas camps.

Every boat person who came in displaced someone who had registered overseas from our quota of 14,000 refugees we take every year.

This has been the same under both labor and liberal,labor's policy favours the wealthy who can afford people smugglers displacing those poor people who have waited in camps for years to be resettled.

I don't think our refugee intake should be increased around 14,000 a year is reasonable.
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Reply #99 - Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:16pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:03pm:
There is a queue peccahead.



Nope.

You've been misinformed.

There’s no such thing as a “queue”

http://www.amnesty.org.au/refugees/comments/22616/
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Reply #100 - Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:16pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:21pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 4:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:09pm:
Maqqa wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:07pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:52pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 3:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 2:02pm:
The pull factor and the only reason asylum seekers are in Indonesia is the fact Australia is a signatory to the refugee convention....Remove our signature from the convention and the problem would be solved..



I've never understood why the libs, who were so opposed to asylum seekers, didn't do just that! It doesn't make sense that they ignore the convention and still remain party to it.



I'd look really bad if we withdrew form the Convention. We only maintain our signature to save face. We're in the process of trying to schmooze the UN.

The kicker is, we are losing it by degrees for our treatment of asylum seekers.


Never opposed to asylum seekers. Those who patiently wait inline and not complain

Just opposed to country shoppers, queue jumpers, verification avoidance and those who wilfully try to take advantage of Australia's generosity


There is no queue that one joins, in order to become an asylum seeker.

You have been misinformed.


Doesn't it start at Australia's front door ?


No.

There's no front door, or back door.

No queue, and no illegal activity.



Because if 10000 people apply for asylum they are all processed at exactly the same time. The government gets 10,000 staff to interview and review them all on the same day and the 30,000 back office people do the same. Because there is 'no queue'.

Of course there is a queue you daft git.


No.  There's no queue.



There is a queue peccahead.



Nope.

You've been misinformed.



Should we say quota for the peccahead?

Every boat person displaces a genuine refugee from our quota of around 14,000 a year, the boat people push in displacing genuine reffos.


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Reply #101 - Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:22pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 6:18pm:
Every boat person displaces a genuine refugee from our quota of around 14,000 a year, the boat people push in displacing genuine reffos.



The majority of asylum seekers who come by boat, turn out to be genuine refugees.

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Reply #102 - Nov 30th, 2015 at 9:12pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:47pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:25pm:
The resettlement system operates as a discretionary process, based on changing criteria. It’s more like a lottery than it is like a queue.


Where those arriving by boat try to scam the lottery.


more like where those arriving by boat try to buy a systems entry instead of a regular ticket
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Reply #103 - Dec 1st, 2015 at 6:36am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
lee wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:47pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:25pm:
The resettlement system operates as a discretionary process, based on changing criteria. It’s more like a lottery than it is like a queue.


Where those arriving by boat try to scam the lottery.


more like where those arriving by boat try to buy a systems entry instead of a regular ticket


Correct.

It's just a different kind of ticket.

Still legitimate, though.
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Reply #104 - Dec 1st, 2015 at 7:14am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1st, 2015 at 6:36am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
lee wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:47pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 30th, 2015 at 5:25pm:
The resettlement system operates as a discretionary process, based on changing criteria. It’s more like a lottery than it is like a queue.


Where those arriving by boat try to scam the lottery.


more like where those arriving by boat try to buy a systems entry instead of a regular ticket


Correct.

It's just a different kind of ticket.

Still legitimate, though.


Fortunately, better people than you have determined otherwise and will not permit them to join the queue you dont think exists.

Now, go back to playing pedant.
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