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Reply #75 - Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:28pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 5:45pm:
Non-leftists have been writing in the domain of 'cultural studies' for years, decades, centuries even: Roger Scruton, Richard Dawkins, Russell Kirk, Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Edmond Burke, Kevin McDonald, Keith Windschuttle, Frank Salter ... 


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Reply #76 - Dec 8th, 2015 at 9:53pm
 

Come on guys, what is this - a reading list for undergrads?

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Reply #77 - Dec 8th, 2015 at 11:29pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 6th, 2015 at 6:17am:
quietthomas wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 9:50pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 3rd, 2015 at 8:01pm:
Yes. Which is why Karnal's claim it's about knowledge is either deceitful or ignorant.


I think you've misread the situation. I read it as Karnal calling the "Cultural Marxism" paranoia an attack on knowledge... not saying that The Frankfurt School's critiques were above reproach. Just that the Conservative Conspiracy theory about The Frankfurt School being some kind of Marxist brainwashing super-group - is kind of well.... stupid.

That's kind of the point, the people framing "Cultural Marxism" don't want to discuss ideas - they want to demonize thought.

In this way I totally agree that such conspiracy theories are an attack on knowledge, an attack on intellect, and ultimately and attack on the audience. We (the audience) should be respected to be able to make up our own minds on ideas - stigmatizing ideas as to sweep them out of view has never been something I'm for - and likely never will be.

But that's what "Cultural Marxism" seems to be an attempt at. It's a sort of "don't read this you'll catch Marxism" ploy.


İt is brainwashing if they don't teach alternative perspectives. The Humanities and Social Sciences, generally, teach two schools of thought: Marxism and Foucauldianism (post-structuralism). Liberalism and Conservatism are only mentioned in critique or for ridicule. İt's little wonder 95% of students turn out to be Marxists and/or Foucauldians. How does this count as critical or analytical thinking? İt's not critical thinking when you absorb the theories taught verbatim.

Don't get me started on their pessimism and nihilism parading as enlightenment.






That’s strange. My humanities degree taught a subject called Theories of the Right. We had no such subject for the left. These theories weren’t ridiculed at all.

I went on to do a cleaning grad dip, Mistie, so it’s all good.
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Reply #78 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 3:33am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 5:45pm:
Non-leftists have been writing in the domain of 'cultural studies' for years, decades, centuries even: Roger Scruton, Richard Dawkins, Russell Kirk, Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Edmond Burke, Kevin McDonald, Keith Windschuttle, Frank Salter ... 


This is the most ridiculous list of "academic" Cultural Theorists I've ever seen.

Dawkins a biologist, Milton Friedman & Friedrich Hayek a couple of extremely outdated free market economists (Hayek doesn't even have a concept of Macroeconomics), and Kevin McDonald & Keith Windschuttle a couple of race baiting historical revisionists... what a joke. Sorry, I won't be able to take anything you say seriously from here on - you just blew any credibility you might have had. Get real.
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Reply #79 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:43am
 
quietthomas wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 3:33am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 8th, 2015 at 5:45pm:
Non-leftists have been writing in the domain of 'cultural studies' for years, decades, centuries even: Roger Scruton, Richard Dawkins, Russell Kirk, Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Edmond Burke, Kevin McDonald, Keith Windschuttle, Frank Salter ... 


This is the most ridiculous list of "academic" Cultural Theorists I've ever seen.

Dawkins a biologist, Milton Friedman & Friedrich Hayek a couple of extremely outdated free market economists (Hayek doesn't even have a concept of Macroeconomics), and Kevin McDonald & Keith Windschuttle a couple of race baiting historical revisionists... what a joke. Sorry, I won't be able to take anything you say seriously from here on - you just blew any credibility you might have had. Get real.


They all contribute to cultural "theory" and/or human behaviour in one way or another. Dawkins' The Selfish Gene is the flip side argument to all the 'social construction' theories floating about; Friedman and Hayek were both influenced by classical liberalism, who both happened to write on economics (economics is related to culture, remember, as your Marxist buddies would agree); McDonald and Windschuttle merely interpret history and culture differently (conservatively) to the dominant left-wing narrative.

See, I was right the first time. You leftists have zero tolerance for alternative perspectives. You think your Marxist and post-structural garbage should be the only things taught. No wonder you clowns attract the ire of every non-leftist. As I stated before, you cultural Marxists are too authoritarian for there to be any reform in the academe, so only by stripping you of funding can you be removed.

Don't think I am letting you go this easy either. What you nihilists have done to higher education in the last 50 years I consider a crime against humanity. Cultural Marxists in the academe are the most dangerous of all leftists. While violent clowns like antifada may seem like the most dangerous type, they are merely over-emotional adolescents who have about the same amount of brain cells as a chimpanzee. The quiet, patient, calm, scholarly types are the most dangerous, as they invent and proliferate the pessimism, self-loathing and nihilism that is destroying the health and pride of the West. You remove these types, you remove source of the problem.

The world is currently turning right at the moment, in case you haven't noticed. How do you feel? Nervous?
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Reply #80 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:47am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:43am:
The world is currently turning right at the moment, in case you haven't noticed. How do you feel? Nervous?


I personally don't feel nervous, the world will no doubt realise the it's erroneous poor judgement soon enough...

We are human, we often get it wrong, part of being flawed.

Arguably as well, only some of the world are turning Right, most of the world are hard pressed enough just feeding themselves...
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Reply #81 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:49am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:43am:
They all contribute to cultural "theory" and/or human behaviour in one way or another.


Hmm, yes, so do I....

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Reply #82 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 11:24am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:43am:
You leftists have zero tolerance for alternative perspectives. You think your Marxist and post-structural garbage should be the only things taught. No wonder you clowns attract the ire of every non-leftist. As I stated before, you cultural Marxists are too authoritarian for there to be any reform in the academe, so only by stripping you of funding can you be removed.

Don't think I am letting you go this easy either. What you nihilists have done to higher education in the last 50 years I consider a crime against humanity. Cultural Marxists in the academe are the most dangerous of all leftists. While violent clowns like antifada may seem like the most dangerous type, they are merely over-emotional adolescents who have about the same amount of brain cells as a chimpanzee. The quiet, patient, calm, scholarly types are the most dangerous, as they invent and proliferate the pessimism, self-loathing and nihilism that is destroying the health and pride of the West. You remove these types, you remove source of the problem.

The world is currently turning right at the moment, in case you haven't noticed. How do you feel? Nervous?


Look at you, talking about me as if you know me - as if you know anything about me, then talking about how I should be "removed".

What a piece of work, just another armchair Mussolini preaching "death to the intellectuals" like all fascists have done from Stalin to Hitler.

In answer to your question; no I don't feel Nervous. A turn to the right would be just another chance for the world to see how foolish and hate fueled the right side of politics can be. From right-wingers like Trump, all the way down to people like you.  Smiley

Funny how the alt-right are like that. Working away hard in forums like this one. I wonder how many people here have come across you and not thought too much about it - ah well, here you are - true colours shining through.
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Reply #83 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 1:22pm
 
quietthomas wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 11:24am:
"death to the intellectuals" like all fascists have done from Stalin to Hitler


Hmm what about comrades Stalin and Pol Pot.  They used their hammer and sickle to crop a few tall poppy intellectuals in their time ...especially those that didn't quite agree with their political ideologies ......a bit like your earlier post ayyyyyyyyyy Tommy?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

quietthomas wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 3:33am:
This is the most ridiculous list of "academic" Cultural Theorists I've ever seen. 

Dawkins a biologist, Milton Friedman & Friedrich Hayek a couple of extremely outdated free market economists (Hayek doesn't even have a concept of Macroeconomics), and Kevin McDonald & Keith Windschuttle a couple of race baiting historical revisionists... what a joke.


..... Cheesy

PS ... you left out Robert Nozick... Sad
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Reply #84 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 2:04pm
 
Swagman wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 1:22pm:
quietthomas wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 11:24am:
"death to the intellectuals" like all fascists have done from Stalin to Hitler


Hmm what about comrades Stalin and Pol Pot.



...Yeah, good pick up - I must have forgotten to mention Stalin when I mentioned... Stalin.
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Reply #85 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 5:44pm
 
quietthomas wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 11:24am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:43am:
You leftists have zero tolerance for alternative perspectives. You think your Marxist and post-structural garbage should be the only things taught. No wonder you clowns attract the ire of every non-leftist. As I stated before, you cultural Marxists are too authoritarian for there to be any reform in the academe, so only by stripping you of funding can you be removed.

Don't think I am letting you go this easy either. What you nihilists have done to higher education in the last 50 years I consider a crime against humanity. Cultural Marxists in the academe are the most dangerous of all leftists. While violent clowns like antifada may seem like the most dangerous type, they are merely over-emotional adolescents who have about the same amount of brain cells as a chimpanzee. The quiet, patient, calm, scholarly types are the most dangerous, as they invent and proliferate the pessimism, self-loathing and nihilism that is destroying the health and pride of the West. You remove these types, you remove source of the problem.

The world is currently turning right at the moment, in case you haven't noticed. How do you feel? Nervous?


Look at you, talking about me as if you know me - as if you know anything about me, then talking about how I should be "removed".

What a piece of work, just another armchair Mussolini preaching "death to the intellectuals" like all fascists have done from Stalin to Hitler.

In answer to your question; no I don't feel Nervous. A turn to the right would be just another chance for the world to see how foolish and hate fueled the right side of politics can be. From right-wingers like Trump, all the way down to people like you.  Smiley

Funny how the alt-right are like that. Working away hard in forums like this one. I wonder how many people here have come across you and not thought too much about it - ah well, here you are - true colours shining through.


I've never advocated death to intellectuals, or anyone for that matter. Read correctly what I stated: removal from the academe.

I thought you cultural Marxists were supposed to hermeneutical experts?

That aside, there are many on the right who do wish for the intellectual left to pass away. This is why it's in most people's interests that moderate conservative governments come to power.
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Reply #86 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 5:58pm
 
quietthomas wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 2:04pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 1:22pm:
quietthomas wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 11:24am:
"death to the intellectuals" like all fascists have done from Stalin to Hitler


Hmm what about comrades Stalin and Pol Pot.



...Yeah, good pick up - I must have forgotten to mention Stalin when I mentioned... Stalin.


......yeah, good pick up Tommo.....so you believe Stalin was a fascist?  Huh 

Glad you hold with the viewpoint that fascism is just another form of socialism, like communism is?

Commies being left wing socialists, and Nazis being right wing Socialists..... Huh

Kat, the resident socialist, won't like that too much?

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Reply #87 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:03pm
 
Swagman wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 5:58pm:
Glad you hold with the viewpoint that fascism is just another form of socialism, like communism is?


No, that would be a ridiculous position to hold.

Fascism (the antithesis of which is anarchism) is a state of rigid governance that can come from any ideology.

Fascism as a term comes from "Fasces" which was a weapon or axe - whose handle was strengthen by tightly binding dowels or sticks together to form and/or strengthen the handle. This is the metaphor which is at the core of fascist ideology - to violently restrict thought, or action, or race, or whatever the pet project of the government ideology is at the time - in order to simulate a coherent society (by taking away the freedom to be anything other than compliant).

Your idea of Fascism however is clearly based on your own political biases, hence why it can't factor in people like Pinochet, or any of the far right traditionalist fascists the Islamic world has to offer.

But don't worry - there's a word to describe a person like you too: Ideologue.
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Reply #88 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:30pm
 
quietthomas wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 7:03pm:
No, that would be a ridiculous position to hold


Only if one is an Ideologue.... Cheesy
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Reply #89 - Dec 9th, 2015 at 8:26pm
 
Phemanderac wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:49am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 9th, 2015 at 6:43am:
They all contribute to cultural "theory" and/or human behaviour in one way or another.


Hmm, yes, so do I....



And so does Mistie. He teaches "cultural studies" in the faculty of Health & Hygiene.
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