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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #90 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

Britain already has one.

That is the point - it was perfectly appropriate to install 2007 technology in 2007.

We are aiming to have the same thing by about 2025.

so you admit you lied. Thanks!

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #91 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:24pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

A lot of ifs, buts and maybes in that report. I guess what horrifies some of you is the idea that if you want fibre from the node to your home you might have to *shock horror* PAY FOR IT!

I think I will wait until there is an actual proposal on the table before getting all bent out of shape of a possible, maybe one-day perhaps sale.

There will be no FOD because there is insufficient fibre to the node.

You overlook all the benefits of the NBN to the economy.

And you overstate the benefits... as does everyone else.

The benefits I stated are all well supported. Find the main NBN thread, or go to aph.gov.au, and read the extensive Hansard extracts I posted there.

The real NBN would not have cost the taxpayer much at all, NBN Co would have raised funds. The multi tiers allow a bigger ARPU so the NBN would have paid for itself.

There are fairy stories more realistic (and more entertaining) than your fantasy tale of an NBN that 'would not have cost much'.

There are simpletons who mock your level of intelligence and reasoning.

This is Longy’s POLITE way of conceding the argument.

Not how “not much taxpayers funds” becomes “would not have cost much” which is basic dishonesty.

FTTH would not have cost anywhere as much as the MTM will. And 12 out of the 14 people who voted in my poll agree with me.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #92 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:05pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

Britain already has one.

That is the point - it was perfectly appropriate to install 2007 technology in 2007.

We are aiming to have the same thing by about 2025.

so you admit you lied. Thanks!

maria has nothing: must make daddy proud promoting the libs when there is nothing to promote... you know how to please don't ya ay Grin

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #93 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:07pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

You claimed China has 1G internet. Where exactly? Much of china outside of the cities is yet to get the telephone and sealed roads.

Having just spent 3 weeks in the country, Tianjin to Guilin & everything in between, as usual our asian neighbours are so far ahead of us technology wise it is pitiful.

Sure you are correct, some places have no phone or sealed roads, they would be the upper northern China on the border of Mongolia.

Much like Gingerah WA 6725

So they get internet that is highly censored and a lack of person freedom. I'd rather live here and have dial-up before that.

not everyone is you Cheesy

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #94 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:09pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

Britain already has one.

And gradually moving to fttp.

But has FTTN which was the lie DNA stated (again).

not very good with words are ya:

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #95 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:48pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

You claimed China has 1G internet. Where exactly? Much of china outside of the cities is yet to get the telephone and sealed roads.

Having just spent 3 weeks in the country, Tianjin to Guilin & everything in between, as usual our asian neighbours are so far ahead of us technology wise it is pitiful.

Sure you are correct, some places have no phone or sealed roads, they would be the upper northern China on the border of Mongolia.

Much like Gingerah WA 6725

So they get internet that is highly censored and a lack of person freedom. I'd rather live here and have dial-up before that.

Once again you show your stupidity, Im in China right now yet have no problem accessing this site and many others, so much for highly censored.
I live in hope that one day you will be able to open your mouth without putting both feet in as you so often do.
Strange how everybody else can see the stupid NBN the Libs have saddled us with but not you.
You really are pathetic the way you support this Liberal fiasco.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #96 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:56pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

Britain already has one.

“Fibre to the cabinet is one of the biggest mistakes humanity has made,” he said. “It ties a knot in the cable in terms of bandwidth and imposes huge unreliability risks … It is a shame, but I understand why people have made that decision. They have made it worldwide, by the way.”

NZ also cancelled FTTN as it didn't meet their needs.

People have got it connected (finally) in Australia and are reporting all sorts of issues on whirlpool.

300m from the node and dl/ul is 50/20 - if they are lucky!

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #97 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:57pm

maria represents the chinese investor,... and the rest of the worlds while we're at it!

like all libs she despises those that died for this country and sniffs at her neighbours who all live in bigger mcmansions than hers because apparently it still makes her feel all mcspecial sauce for a fleeting minute or two until she gets on the freeway to her fake office and fake water cooler and can put on the fake radio and wish those pesky memories of evil mummy away Cheesy

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #98 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:00pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

Britain already has one.

“Fibre to the cabinet is one of the biggest mistakes humanity has made,” he said. “It ties a knot in the cable in terms of bandwidth and imposes huge unreliability risks … It is a shame, but I understand why people have made that decision. They have made it worldwide, by the way.”

NZ also cancelled FTTN as it didn't meet their needs.

People have got it connected (finally) in Australia and are reporting all sorts of issues on whirlpool.

300m from the node and dl/ul is 50/20 - if they are lucky!

hey, i almost spilled my beer reading that Cheesy

- trust friggin' whirlpool for the superlatively colourful language: turnbull is munted Cheesy

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #99 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:05pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:57pm:

maria represents the chinese investor,... and the rest of the worlds while we're at it!

like all libs she despises those that died for this country and sniffs at her neighbours who all live in bigger mcmansions than hers because apparently it still makes her feel all mcspecial sauce for a fleeting minute or two until she gets on the freeway to her fake office and fake water cooler and can put on the fake radio and wish those pesky memories of evil mummy away Cheesy

(what the bugger am i drinking ??)

..of course she has to repeat the process on the way home: she wan't born for talking to neighbours ya know!

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #100 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:11pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

You claimed China has 1G internet. Where exactly? Much of china outside of the cities is yet to get the telephone and sealed roads.

Having just spent 3 weeks in the country, Tianjin to Guilin & everything in between, as usual our asian neighbours are so far ahead of us technology wise it is pitiful.

Sure you are correct, some places have no phone or sealed roads, they would be the upper northern China on the border of Mongolia.

Much like Gingerah WA 6725

So they get internet that is highly censored and a lack of person freedom. I'd rather live here and have dial-up before that.

2 things

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highly censored

Scope has quite adequately dealt with that issue, however I will add that I also had no issue accessing any site I wanted, it's called VPN.

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person freedom

As with Vietnam I experienced far more personal freedom in China than I do in Australia.

Discussing this fact with several expat Australians over a few beers the conclusion was reached that the mix of western economy with communist discipline is just about right.
There are very REAL & very SERIOUS consequences for criminal behaviour which is why you can walk the streets no matter the time no matter the location with no fear.

The above in no way excuses the persecution of minorities such as Falun Gong or Tibetans + other human rights abuses.

But the image of an over militarist presence through the whole of society is mis information belonging to the 60's cold war.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #101 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:47pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

A lot of ifs, buts and maybes in that report. I guess what horrifies some of you is the idea that if you want fibre from the node to your home you might have to *shock horror* PAY FOR IT!

I think I will wait until there is an actual proposal on the table before getting all bent out of shape of a possible, maybe one-day perhaps sale.

There will be no FOD because there is insufficient fibre to the node.

You overlook all the benefits of the NBN to the economy.

And you overstate the benefits... as does everyone else.

The benefits I stated are all well supported. Find the main NBN thread, or go to aph.gov.au, and read the extensive Hansard extracts I posted there.

The real NBN would not have cost the taxpayer much at all, NBN Co would have raised funds. The multi tiers allow a bigger ARPU so the NBN would have paid for itself.

There are fairy stories more realistic (and more entertaining) than your fantasy tale of an NBN that 'would not have cost much'.

There are simpletons who mock your level of intelligence and reasoning.

This is Longy’s POLITE way of conceding the argument.

Not how “not much taxpayers funds” becomes “would not have cost much” which is basic dishonesty.

FTTH would not have cost anywhere as much as the MTM will. And 12 out of the 14 people who voted in my poll agree with me.

A whole 12 people! WOW. That is impressive, particularly when the entire population of Australia is only 16 people.

You do a great job of looking like an idiot.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #102 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:49pm

scope wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:48pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

You claimed China has 1G internet. Where exactly? Much of china outside of the cities is yet to get the telephone and sealed roads.

Having just spent 3 weeks in the country, Tianjin to Guilin & everything in between, as usual our asian neighbours are so far ahead of us technology wise it is pitiful.

Sure you are correct, some places have no phone or sealed roads, they would be the upper northern China on the border of Mongolia.

Much like Gingerah WA 6725

So they get internet that is highly censored and a lack of person freedom. I'd rather live here and have dial-up before that.

Once again you show your stupidity, Im in China right now yet have no problem accessing this site and many others, so much for highly censored.
I live in hope that one day you will be able to open your mouth without putting both feet in as you so often do.
Strange how everybody else can see the stupid NBN the Libs have saddled us with but not you.
You really are pathetic the way you support this Liberal fiasco.

Okay... so your definition of 'uncensored' is access this site? Try googling Tianamen squaare and see where you end up.

You would be the first ignoramus ever to say that China's internet is not censored.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #104 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:51pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

Britain already has one.

“Fibre to the cabinet is one of the biggest mistakes humanity has made,” he said. “It ties a knot in the cable in terms of bandwidth and imposes huge unreliability risks … It is a shame, but I understand why people have made that decision. They have made it worldwide, by the way.”

NZ also cancelled FTTN as it didn't meet their needs.

People have got it connected (finally) in Australia and are reporting all sorts of issues on whirlpool.

300m from the node and dl/ul is 50/20 - if they are lucky!

'biggest mistakes in humanity'??????? That statement alone renders the remainder of the statement worthless. I was under the impression that NO ONE has FTTN yet. How come there are 'all sorts of issues' which are curiously, not detailed or linked to.

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