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Reply #195 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:24pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

FTTH would enable a tech to guide a customer through the intricacies of setting up an item of some complexity.

If LC tried someone else will try again.

2050 will not be the same as 2010.

We don’t know the changes that will happen but we do know we will need a decent comms system: it is the information age after all.

And FTTH will be cheaper than the MTM which is going up in cost every day just like I said it would.

Its also not 2050 now nor is it even close. For all we know, wireless will be faster than fiber by then. You don't know.

so you think wifi will one day be faster than the speed of light? Grin

I've told you before Maria, ask for a refund. They clearly ripped you off.

Then explain to me how Fibre is 'faster' than copper since both are at the speed of light, troll.

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Reply #196 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:40pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

FTTH would enable a tech to guide a customer through the intricacies of setting up an item of some complexity.

If LC tried someone else will try again.

2050 will not be the same as 2010.

We don’t know the changes that will happen but we do know we will need a decent comms system: it is the information age after all.

And FTTH will be cheaper than the MTM which is going up in cost every day just like I said it would.

Its also not 2050 now nor is it even close. For all we know, wireless will be faster than fiber by then. You don't know.

No Maria - Wireless WILL NEVER be faster than FTTH - not in this lifetime or the next.

DIDO, MIMO and every other wireless technology doesn't match a fixed connection.

FTTH is for the home, however Fibre to a business will enable digital production and distribution of large (10gb or more) files.

It will add 3% to our gdp and has been demonstrated as cheaper than FTTN - this has been quantified by the now released nbn reports.

FTTN is costing $1600 per premise plus maintenance.

FTTH is costing $1500 per premise - it doens't need maintenance.

I would be happy with FTTdP as it provides much faster speeds, doesn't need the nodes that FTTN does and will cost us less to roll out and maintain.

I'm a business analyst - this is my area of expertise and I have been following the nbn since 2006 when Howard was still in government.

FTTH also provides a better roi - FTTN doesn't pay for itself and will lead to the government having to put it on the budget.

You can argue all you want, I don't know much but I do know something about the technologies in play - something which you have proven with your lack of knowledge on spectrum and wireless internet!

What do you think runs all those wireless towers - it's not copper!

what maintenance? Ive not had a tech out to 'maintain' my copper phone line in 25 years nor do I expect to anytime in the future. Your belief in the indestructibility of fibre is touching if a tad ludicrous.

The rest of your figures are also garbage and easily disputed.

never the less the projected cost of maintaining copper is a lot higher than fibre.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #197 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:54pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

FTTH would enable a tech to guide a customer through the intricacies of setting up an item of some complexity.

If LC tried someone else will try again.

2050 will not be the same as 2010.

We don’t know the changes that will happen but we do know we will need a decent comms system: it is the information age after all.

And FTTH will be cheaper than the MTM which is going up in cost every day just like I said it would.

Its also not 2050 now nor is it even close. For all we know, wireless will be faster than fiber by then. You don't know.

No Maria - Wireless WILL NEVER be faster than FTTH - not in this lifetime or the next.

DIDO, MIMO and every other wireless technology doesn't match a fixed connection.

FTTH is for the home, however Fibre to a business will enable digital production and distribution of large (10gb or more) files.

It will add 3% to our gdp and has been demonstrated as cheaper than FTTN - this has been quantified by the now released nbn reports.

FTTN is costing $1600 per premise plus maintenance.

FTTH is costing $1500 per premise - it doens't need maintenance.

I would be happy with FTTdP as it provides much faster speeds, doesn't need the nodes that FTTN does and will cost us less to roll out and maintain.

I'm a business analyst - this is my area of expertise and I have been following the nbn since 2006 when Howard was still in government.

FTTH also provides a better roi - FTTN doesn't pay for itself and will lead to the government having to put it on the budget.

You can argue all you want, I don't know much but I do know something about the technologies in play - something which you have proven with your lack of knowledge on spectrum and wireless internet!

What do you think runs all those wireless towers - it's not copper!

what maintenance? Ive not had a tech out to 'maintain' my copper phone line in 25 years nor do I expect to anytime in the future. Your belief in the indestructibility of fibre is touching if a tad ludicrous.

The rest of your figures are also garbage and easily disputed.

Please dispute them by all means.

I'm talking about the whole copper network - not just your place Maria!

The maintenance has blown out to 640 million.

5G faster than fibre - 5g can go faster than 255 tbps - BAHAHAHAHA

5G won't be here until 2020 at the earliest, it will cost the earth and won't provide anywhere near enough data - like the current 4g plans don't.

Not to mention the fact that FTTN needs new copper ran and 70,000 nodes that FTTH and FTTdp don't need!

This all adds up to 10-15 billion for an already outdated technology.

You still haven't provided anything to backup your opinion - Please show me where 5G is anyway faster than FTTH!

"A good place to start is reviewing the various broadband offerings and their capabilities. Fiber-optic cable is the gold standard. Companies have demonstrated over 100,000 billion bps throughput over a single strand of fiber.

By comparison, even with an enormous 10 GHz wide radio channel and 10 bps/Hz of ultra-high spectral efficiency, spectrum-based networks could only reach 100 Gbps of theoretical throughput, 1,000 times lower than the fiber value. Plus, fiber cables consist of multiple fiber strands--if you run out of capacity on one strand, another one is right there. Coax cable, used for cable broadband, also only carries a small fraction of the capacity of a fiber optic cable."

5G also has issues with spectrum, penetrating walls, line of site, overcast days etc etc.

For 5G to work it needs a strong fixed wireless network that is run off Fibre!

Once again you have no idea!

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #198 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 9:23pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

FTTH would enable a tech to guide a customer through the intricacies of setting up an item of some complexity.

If LC tried someone else will try again.

2050 will not be the same as 2010.

We don’t know the changes that will happen but we do know we will need a decent comms system: it is the information age after all.

And FTTH will be cheaper than the MTM which is going up in cost every day just like I said it would.

Its also not 2050 now nor is it even close. For all we know, wireless will be faster than fiber by then. You don't know.

so you think wifi will one day be faster than the speed of light? Grin

I've told you before Maria, ask for a refund. They clearly ripped you off.

Then explain to me how Fibre is 'faster' than copper since both are at the speed of light, troll.

copper is at the speed of light? Grin

wow ... keep digging that hole.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #199 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 10:02pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

FTTH would enable a tech to guide a customer through the intricacies of setting up an item of some complexity.

If LC tried someone else will try again.

2050 will not be the same as 2010.

We don’t know the changes that will happen but we do know we will need a decent comms system: it is the information age after all.

And FTTH will be cheaper than the MTM which is going up in cost every day just like I said it would.

Its also not 2050 now nor is it even close. For all we know, wireless will be faster than fiber by then. You don't know.

so you think wifi will one day be faster than the speed of light? Grin

I've told you before Maria, ask for a refund. They clearly ripped you off.

Then explain to me how Fibre is 'faster' than copper since both are at the speed of light, troll.

Speed

Speed is the amount of data that you can transmit per unit of time and when it comes to speed, fiber optic cables win hands down over copper cables. While traditional copper lines can carry roughly 3,000 phone calls at one time, fiber optic cables used in a similar system could carry around 31,000 calls.

Bandwidth

The reason fiber optic cable is faster is because of the extremely high frequency ranges it is able to carry, whereas signal strength diminishes at high frequencies with copper wire. Fiber optic cable can carry more than a thousand times the bandwidth of copper cable and go more than one hundred times further as well.

Keep trying!

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Reply #201 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 5:16am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

FTTH would enable a tech to guide a customer through the intricacies of setting up an item of some complexity.

If LC tried someone else will try again.

2050 will not be the same as 2010.

We don’t know the changes that will happen but we do know we will need a decent comms system: it is the information age after all.

And FTTH will be cheaper than the MTM which is going up in cost every day just like I said it would.

Its also not 2050 now nor is it even close. For all we know, wireless will be faster than fiber by then. You don't know.

so you think wifi will one day be faster than the speed of light? Grin

I've told you before Maria, ask for a refund. They clearly ripped you off.

Then explain to me how Fibre is 'faster' than copper since both are at the speed of light, troll.

Why does information travel 'faster' down fibre optic cable than copper wire?

As the name suggests, fibre optic technology uses pulses of light to carry data along strands of glass or plastic.

It's the technology of choice for the government's National Broadband Network (NBN), which promises to deliver speeds of at least 100Mbps.

When we're talking about 'speed' were actually talking about throughput (or capacity) — the amount of data you can transfer per unit time, says Associate Professor Robert Malaney from the University of New South Wales, School of Electrical Engineering and Telecommunications.

And fibre optics can definitely transfer more data at higher throughput over longer distances than copper wire. For example, a local area network using modern copper lines can carry 3000 telephone calls all at once, while a similar system using fibre optics can carry over 31,000.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/10/21/3044463.htm

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #202 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:19am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

FTTH would enable a tech to guide a customer through the intricacies of setting up an item of some complexity.

If LC tried someone else will try again.

2050 will not be the same as 2010.

We don’t know the changes that will happen but we do know we will need a decent comms system: it is the information age after all.

And FTTH will be cheaper than the MTM which is going up in cost every day just like I said it would.

Its also not 2050 now nor is it even close. For all we know, wireless will be faster than fiber by then. You don't know.

No Maria - Wireless WILL NEVER be faster than FTTH - not in this lifetime or the next.

DIDO, MIMO and every other wireless technology doesn't match a fixed connection.

FTTH is for the home, however Fibre to a business will enable digital production and distribution of large (10gb or more) files.

It will add 3% to our gdp and has been demonstrated as cheaper than FTTN - this has been quantified by the now released nbn reports.

FTTN is costing $1600 per premise plus maintenance.

FTTH is costing $1500 per premise - it doens't need maintenance.

I would be happy with FTTdP as it provides much faster speeds, doesn't need the nodes that FTTN does and will cost us less to roll out and maintain.

I'm a business analyst - this is my area of expertise and I have been following the nbn since 2006 when Howard was still in government.

FTTH also provides a better roi - FTTN doesn't pay for itself and will lead to the government having to put it on the budget.

You can argue all you want, I don't know much but I do know something about the technologies in play - something which you have proven with your lack of knowledge on spectrum and wireless internet!

What do you think runs all those wireless towers - it's not copper!

what maintenance? Ive not had a tech out to 'maintain' my copper phone line in 25 years nor do I expect to anytime in the future. Your belief in the indestructibility of fibre is touching if a tad ludicrous.

The rest of your figures are also garbage and easily disputed.

never the less the projected cost of maintaining copper is a lot higher than fibre.

An unquantified statement like that is worthless. If FTTN is $50B cheaper than FTTH and has $100Mpa in maintenance costs why would that matter?

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #203 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am

John Smith wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

FTTH would enable a tech to guide a customer through the intricacies of setting up an item of some complexity.

If LC tried someone else will try again.

2050 will not be the same as 2010.

We don’t know the changes that will happen but we do know we will need a decent comms system: it is the information age after all.

And FTTH will be cheaper than the MTM which is going up in cost every day just like I said it would.

Its also not 2050 now nor is it even close. For all we know, wireless will be faster than fiber by then. You don't know.

so you think wifi will one day be faster than the speed of light? Grin

I've told you before Maria, ask for a refund. They clearly ripped you off.

Then explain to me how Fibre is 'faster' than copper since both are at the speed of light, troll.

copper is at the speed of light? Grin

wow ... keep digging that hole.

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #204 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:23am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 5:16am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

FTTH would enable a tech to guide a customer through the intricacies of setting up an item of some complexity.

If LC tried someone else will try again.

2050 will not be the same as 2010.

We don’t know the changes that will happen but we do know we will need a decent comms system: it is the information age after all.

And FTTH will be cheaper than the MTM which is going up in cost every day just like I said it would.

Its also not 2050 now nor is it even close. For all we know, wireless will be faster than fiber by then. You don't know.

so you think wifi will one day be faster than the speed of light? Grin

I've told you before Maria, ask for a refund. They clearly ripped you off.

Then explain to me how Fibre is 'faster' than copper since both are at the speed of light, troll.

Why does information travel 'faster' down fibre optic cable than copper wire?

As the name suggests, fibre optic technology uses pulses of light to carry data along strands of glass or plastic.

It's the technology of choice for the government's National Broadband Network (NBN), which promises to deliver speeds of at least 100Mbps.

When we're talking about 'speed' were actually talking about throughput (or capacity) — the amount of data you can transfer per unit time, says Associate Professor Robert Malaney from the University of New South Wales, School of Electrical Engineering and Telecommunications.

And fibre optics can definitely transfer more data at higher throughput over longer distances than copper wire. For example, a local area network using modern copper lines can carry 3000 telephone calls all at once, while a similar system using fibre optics can carry over 31,000.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/10/21/3044463.htm

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Theoretical capacity is not a particularly great measurement. My Camry can do 200Km/hr apparently. Not a chance of ever doing that.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #205 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

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Reply #206 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:03am

[quote author=mariacostel link=1449278174/204#204 date=1449696196]

There is nothing theoretical about it - Fibre can do 255tbps along 1 strand.

Copper and wireless can't even come close!

It's obvious you have nothing to add on this topic - you haven't provided anything to backup your opinion that copper is as good or better than fibre.

You haven't provided a business case to support copper and your assertion of 5g being better than fibre is plain wrong - for the reasons I've already given.

You are a typical LNP voter though - your needs/opinions are the only ones that count and you don't need to provide anything because you believe they are facts.

Keep arguing for copper - it shows how misinformed you truly are.

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Reply #207 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 10:32am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:19am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

FTTH would enable a tech to guide a customer through the intricacies of setting up an item of some complexity.

If LC tried someone else will try again.

2050 will not be the same as 2010.

We don’t know the changes that will happen but we do know we will need a decent comms system: it is the information age after all.

And FTTH will be cheaper than the MTM which is going up in cost every day just like I said it would.

Its also not 2050 now nor is it even close. For all we know, wireless will be faster than fiber by then. You don't know.

No Maria - Wireless WILL NEVER be faster than FTTH - not in this lifetime or the next.

DIDO, MIMO and every other wireless technology doesn't match a fixed connection.

FTTH is for the home, however Fibre to a business will enable digital production and distribution of large (10gb or more) files.

It will add 3% to our gdp and has been demonstrated as cheaper than FTTN - this has been quantified by the now released nbn reports.

FTTN is costing $1600 per premise plus maintenance.

FTTH is costing $1500 per premise - it doens't need maintenance.

I would be happy with FTTdP as it provides much faster speeds, doesn't need the nodes that FTTN does and will cost us less to roll out and maintain.

I'm a business analyst - this is my area of expertise and I have been following the nbn since 2006 when Howard was still in government.

FTTH also provides a better roi - FTTN doesn't pay for itself and will lead to the government having to put it on the budget.

You can argue all you want, I don't know much but I do know something about the technologies in play - something which you have proven with your lack of knowledge on spectrum and wireless internet!

What do you think runs all those wireless towers - it's not copper!

what maintenance? Ive not had a tech out to 'maintain' my copper phone line in 25 years nor do I expect to anytime in the future. Your belief in the indestructibility of fibre is touching if a tad ludicrous.

The rest of your figures are also garbage and easily disputed.

never the less the projected cost of maintaining copper is a lot higher than fibre.

An unquantified statement like that is worthless. If FTTN is $50B cheaper than FTTH and has $100Mpa in maintenance costs why would that matter?

FTTN is not cheaper than FTTH. Dearer to install because they have to roll out kilometres of new copper, dearer to maintain because copper corrodes and much dearer to power, a $1Bn per year cost.

The Telstra copper is too thin, too high impedance to allow for fast broadband. That is why NBN Co is only running one 1G fibre into each DSLAM.

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Reply #208 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 11:07am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:19am:

An unquantified statement like that is worthless. If FTTN is $50B cheaper than FTTH and has $100Mpa in maintenance costs why would that matter?

You posted a comment about the maintenance costs all I did was to support the current know fact in this regard.

If you don't want to be provided information on Maintenance costs you should not make statements about it.

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Reply #209 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 12:24pm

Maintenance costs for the copper are about $1Bn a year, so is the cost of powering the copper.

My god, listening to Turncoat bloviating “. . .the future. . .new things, new ways of doing things . . .”

Then the utter clown {. . .imagine several words forbidden here. . .} runs out a mish mash of obsolete technologies that will cost more than FTTH to install and MUCH more to power AND maintain that won’t do anything but be a burden on the economy and Budget.

Beware of snake oil salemen! We have one as PM!

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