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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #210 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #211 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:30pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

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There is nothing theoretical about it - Fibre can do 255tbps along 1 strand.

Copper and wireless can't even come close!

It's obvious you have nothing to add on this topic - you haven't provided anything to backup your opinion that copper is as good or better than fibre.

You haven't provided a business case to support copper and your assertion of 5g being better than fibre is plain wrong - for the reasons I've already given.

You are a typical LNP voter though - your needs/opinions are the only ones that count and you don't need to provide anything because you believe they are facts.

Keep arguing for copper - it shows how misinformed you truly are.

But nobody DOES it nor do they NEED it - which is the point. You are - like so many nerds before you - utterly tech-driven and nothing else. You need no case, no plan or no project. Just the latest tech. Which is why you are laughed at.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #212 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:42pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

so you were wrong Maria? Is that what you were saying? Cheesy

Here, for your benefit, but I'm getting sick of correcting your mistakes all the time. You'll have to stop flappig your gums over things you obviously have no idea about (everything)

Why Fiber Is Faster

Copper suffers from a significant signal-loss issue. To accurately read a signal, you have to know the exact moment the signal has stopped and the exact moment it began. As a signal is forced to travel farther, the difference between a start and a stop (zero and one) gets very fuzzy. Copper is best used for maintaining a continuous electrical current since it’s a great conductor. However, for signalling, it remains a very poor material. It’s still great for local networks, but not necessarily something we should be using for global communication infrastructure, considering that Cat6a copper cables can lose 94 percent of their signal at 100 meters distance (this is the industrial maximum for signal loss through copper).

Researchers have recently been able to send data at 10 Gbps through copper, but at distances no larger than 30 meters.

Fiber, on the other hand, can theoretically send terabytes per second of data without so much as a 3-percent data loss over 100 meters. Two things are at play here: the signal retention and signal clarity. Not only do you absolutely know when the signal began and ended, but you receive a very strong signal across the wire. This allows communication at dizzying speeds so fast that most routing technologies still can’t process them fast enough.

https://www.maketecheasier.com/why-is-fiber-optic-internet-faster-than-copper/

were you born an idiot or did you study for it?

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #213 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:46pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

so you were wrong Maria? Is that what you were saying? Cheesy

Here, for your benefit, but I'm getting sick of correcting your mistakes all the time. You'll have to stop flappig your gums over things you obviously have no idea about (everything)

Why Fiber Is Faster

Copper suffers from a significant signal-loss issue. To accurately read a signal, you have to know the exact moment the signal has stopped and the exact moment it began. As a signal is forced to travel farther, the difference between a start and a stop (zero and one) gets very fuzzy. Copper is best used for maintaining a continuous electrical current since it’s a great conductor. However, for signalling, it remains a very poor material. It’s still great for local networks, but not necessarily something we should be using for global communication infrastructure, considering that Cat6a copper cables can lose 94 percent of their signal at 100 meters distance (this is the industrial maximum for signal loss through copper).

Researchers have recently been able to send data at 10 Gbps through copper, but at distances no larger than 30 meters.

Fiber, on the other hand, can theoretically send terabytes per second of data without so much as a 3-percent data loss over 100 meters. Two things are at play here: the signal retention and signal clarity. Not only do you absolutely know when the signal began and ended, but you receive a very strong signal across the wire. This allows communication at dizzying speeds so fast that most routing technologies still can’t process them fast enough.

https://www.maketecheasier.com/why-is-fiber-optic-internet-faster-than-copper/

were you born an idiot or did you study for it?

You must have failed primary school with your appalling understanding of technology, You have at least admitted that the SPEED of data in copper and fibre are THE SPEED OF LIGHT. The rest of your argument is on BANDWIDTH - a concept you apparently dont understand.

Imagine anyone in this day and age being so ignorant of science that they didnt know that electrical signals traveled through copper at the speed of light?

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #214 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:09pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1449278174/204#204 date=1449696196]

There is nothing theoretical about it - Fibre can do 255tbps along 1 strand.

Copper and wireless can't even come close!

It's obvious you have nothing to add on this topic - you haven't provided anything to backup your opinion that copper is as good or better than fibre.

You haven't provided a business case to support copper and your assertion of 5g being better than fibre is plain wrong - for the reasons I've already given.

You are a typical LNP voter though - your needs/opinions are the only ones that count and you don't need to provide anything because you believe they are facts.

Keep arguing for copper - it shows how misinformed you truly are.

But nobody DOES it nor do they NEED it - which is the point. You are - like so many nerds before you - utterly tech-driven and nothing else. You need no case, no plan or no project. Just the latest tech. Which is why you are laughed at.

lol, the business case: as if only liberal voters knew how to use a calculator

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #215 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:11pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

so you were wrong Maria? Is that what you were saying? Cheesy

Here, for your benefit, but I'm getting sick of correcting your mistakes all the time. You'll have to stop flappig your gums over things you obviously have no idea about (everything)

Why Fiber Is Faster

Copper suffers from a significant signal-loss issue. To accurately read a signal, you have to know the exact moment the signal has stopped and the exact moment it began. As a signal is forced to travel farther, the difference between a start and a stop (zero and one) gets very fuzzy. Copper is best used for maintaining a continuous electrical current since it’s a great conductor. However, for signalling, it remains a very poor material. It’s still great for local networks, but not necessarily something we should be using for global communication infrastructure, considering that Cat6a copper cables can lose 94 percent of their signal at 100 meters distance (this is the industrial maximum for signal loss through copper).

Researchers have recently been able to send data at 10 Gbps through copper, but at distances no larger than 30 meters.

Fiber, on the other hand, can theoretically send terabytes per second of data without so much as a 3-percent data loss over 100 meters. Two things are at play here: the signal retention and signal clarity. Not only do you absolutely know when the signal began and ended, but you receive a very strong signal across the wire. This allows communication at dizzying speeds so fast that most routing technologies still can’t process them fast enough.

https://www.maketecheasier.com/why-is-fiber-optic-internet-faster-than-copper/

were you born an idiot or did you study for it?

lol: no need to talk about the internet layers... maria shoots herself with the physical before any software gets it's alarm clock warmed up Cheesy

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #216 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:13pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

so you were wrong Maria? Is that what you were saying? Cheesy

Here, for your benefit, but I'm getting sick of correcting your mistakes all the time. You'll have to stop flappig your gums over things you obviously have no idea about (everything)

Why Fiber Is Faster

Copper suffers from a significant signal-loss issue. To accurately read a signal, you have to know the exact moment the signal has stopped and the exact moment it began. As a signal is forced to travel farther, the difference between a start and a stop (zero and one) gets very fuzzy. Copper is best used for maintaining a continuous electrical current since it’s a great conductor. However, for signalling, it remains a very poor material. It’s still great for local networks, but not necessarily something we should be using for global communication infrastructure, considering that Cat6a copper cables can lose 94 percent of their signal at 100 meters distance (this is the industrial maximum for signal loss through copper).

Researchers have recently been able to send data at 10 Gbps through copper, but at distances no larger than 30 meters.

Fiber, on the other hand, can theoretically send terabytes per second of data without so much as a 3-percent data loss over 100 meters. Two things are at play here: the signal retention and signal clarity. Not only do you absolutely know when the signal began and ended, but you receive a very strong signal across the wire. This allows communication at dizzying speeds so fast that most routing technologies still can’t process them fast enough.

https://www.maketecheasier.com/why-is-fiber-optic-internet-faster-than-copper/

were you born an idiot or did you study for it?

You must have failed primary school with your appalling understanding of technology, You have at least admitted that the SPEED of data in copper and fibre are THE SPEED OF LIGHT. The rest of your argument is on BANDWIDTH - a concept you apparently dont understand.

Imagine anyone in this day and age being so ignorant of science that they didnt know that electrical signals traveled through copper at the speed of light?

uh: maria fails at the data-link layer ...

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #217 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:16pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1449278174/204#204 date=1449696196]

There is nothing theoretical about it - Fibre can do 255tbps along 1 strand.

Copper and wireless can't even come close!

It's obvious you have nothing to add on this topic - you haven't provided anything to backup your opinion that copper is as good or better than fibre.

You haven't provided a business case to support copper and your assertion of 5g being better than fibre is plain wrong - for the reasons I've already given.

You are a typical LNP voter though - your needs/opinions are the only ones that count and you don't need to provide anything because you believe they are facts.

Keep arguing for copper - it shows how misinformed you truly are.

But nobody DOES it nor do they NEED it - which is the point. You are - like so many nerds before you - utterly tech-driven and nothing else. You need no case, no plan or no project. Just the latest tech. Which is why you are laughed at.

The future: have you heard of it?

Why innovate if not for the future?

You're logically compromised and I promise to smash you every post forever Grin

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #218 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #219 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1449278174/204#204 date=1449696196]

There is nothing theoretical about it - Fibre can do 255tbps along 1 strand.

Copper and wireless can't even come close!

It's obvious you have nothing to add on this topic - you haven't provided anything to backup your opinion that copper is as good or better than fibre.

You haven't provided a business case to support copper and your assertion of 5g being better than fibre is plain wrong - for the reasons I've already given.

You are a typical LNP voter though - your needs/opinions are the only ones that count and you don't need to provide anything because you believe they are facts.

Keep arguing for copper - it shows how misinformed you truly are.

But nobody DOES it nor do they NEED it - which is the point. You are - like so many nerds before you - utterly tech-driven and nothing else. You need no case, no plan or no project. Just the latest tech. Which is why you are laughed at.

640k is enough as is 12mbps isn't it.

We don't need cars, we can use horse and cart.

We don't need hospitals, leeches are good enough.

Who are you to say what we do/do not need!

You only speak for yourself!

What you don't realise is that the copper network is at the end of it's life.

We can either upgrade it to fiber, not do anything and let it degrade even more or put everyone on wireless Cheesy

Are you saying copper and wireless can transmit the same amount of data as fast as fiber can?

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #220 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #221 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:29pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

Maintenance costs for the copper are about $1Bn a year, so is the cost of powering the copper.

My god, listening to Turncoat bloviating “. . .the future. . .new things, new ways of doing things . . .”

Then the utter clown {. . .imagine several words forbidden here. . .} runs out a mish mash of obsolete technologies that will cost more than FTTH to install and MUCH more to power AND maintain that won’t do anything but be a burden on the economy and Budget.

Beware of snake oil salemen! We have one as PM!

Hey, I HEARD THAT IF YOU DO A SPECIAL HOP EVERYONE AROUND YOU FEELS BETTER ABOUT LIFE Grin

..OH- AND THEY ALSO MAGICALLY PERSUADE THEMSELVES INTO THINKING RISK IS BETTER THAN SHAFTING THE KIDS VIA REAL ESTATE Grin

3 CHEERS FOR C***STRALIA Cheesy

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #222 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:37pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

FTTH would enable a tech to guide a customer through the intricacies of setting up an item of some complexity.

If LC tried someone else will try again.

2050 will not be the same as 2010.

We don’t know the changes that will happen but we do know we will need a decent comms system: it is the information age after all.

And FTTH will be cheaper than the MTM which is going up in cost every day just like I said it would.

Its also not 2050 now nor is it even close. For all we know, wireless will be faster than fiber by then. You don't know.

so you think wifi will one day be faster than the speed of light? Grin

I've told you before Maria, ask for a refund. They clearly ripped you off.

Then explain to me how Fibre is 'faster' than copper since both are at the speed of light, troll.

copper is at the speed of light? Grin

wow ... keep digging that hole.

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

tHE THING WITH COMMUNICATION IS
PRIMARILY ABOUT ENSURING IT'S ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE: MARIA HAS NEVER HEARD OF THE DATA LINK LAYER Grin

HOW DO PROTOCOLS WORK DEAR MARIA? SHE HAS NO IDEA Grin

*** WAIT,... OH NETWORKS FULL,... WAIT ANOTHER RANDOM TIME TO UPLOAD,... OH,.. COMPUTER SAYS NO ETC...... GO MARIA YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Roll Eyes

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #223 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:39pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:30pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1449278174/204#204 date=1449696196]

There is nothing theoretical about it - Fibre can do 255tbps along 1 strand.

Copper and wireless can't even come close!

It's obvious you have nothing to add on this topic - you haven't provided anything to backup your opinion that copper is as good or better than fibre.

You haven't provided a business case to support copper and your assertion of 5g being better than fibre is plain wrong - for the reasons I've already given.

You are a typical LNP voter though - your needs/opinions are the only ones that count and you don't need to provide anything because you believe they are facts.

Keep arguing for copper - it shows how misinformed you truly are.

But nobody DOES it nor do they NEED it - which is the point. You are - like so many nerds before you - utterly tech-driven and nothing else. You need no case, no plan or no project. Just the latest tech. Which is why you are laughed at.

640k is enough as is 12mbps isn't it.

We don't need cars, we can use horse and cart.

We don't need hospitals, leeches are good enough.

Who are you to say what we do/do not need!

You only speak for yourself!

What you don't realise is that the copper network is at the end of it's life.

We can either upgrade it to fiber, not do anything and let it degrade even more or put everyone on wireless Cheesy

Are you saying copper and wireless can transmit the same amount of data as fast as fiber can?

MARIA IS SAYING HER STUPID HUSBAND IS PUTTING HIS FOOT DOWN AND THAT IS MOTHERF*******'N THAT

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #224 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:40pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

MARIA IS MOVING BOTH KNIGHTS TO THE RIM I SUSPECT... YAY GO MALCOLM AND STUFF Embarrassed

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