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Reply #225 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:42pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

We haven’t reached those limits yet, Longy. they really will not matter.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #226 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:48pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:19am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

FTTH would enable a tech to guide a customer through the intricacies of setting up an item of some complexity.

If LC tried someone else will try again.

2050 will not be the same as 2010.

We don’t know the changes that will happen but we do know we will need a decent comms system: it is the information age after all.

And FTTH will be cheaper than the MTM which is going up in cost every day just like I said it would.

Its also not 2050 now nor is it even close. For all we know, wireless will be faster than fiber by then. You don't know.

No Maria - Wireless WILL NEVER be faster than FTTH - not in this lifetime or the next.

DIDO, MIMO and every other wireless technology doesn't match a fixed connection.

FTTH is for the home, however Fibre to a business will enable digital production and distribution of large (10gb or more) files.

It will add 3% to our gdp and has been demonstrated as cheaper than FTTN - this has been quantified by the now released nbn reports.

FTTN is costing $1600 per premise plus maintenance.

FTTH is costing $1500 per premise - it doens't need maintenance.

I would be happy with FTTdP as it provides much faster speeds, doesn't need the nodes that FTTN does and will cost us less to roll out and maintain.

I'm a business analyst - this is my area of expertise and I have been following the nbn since 2006 when Howard was still in government.

FTTH also provides a better roi - FTTN doesn't pay for itself and will lead to the government having to put it on the budget.

You can argue all you want, I don't know much but I do know something about the technologies in play - something which you have proven with your lack of knowledge on spectrum and wireless internet!

What do you think runs all those wireless towers - it's not copper!

what maintenance? Ive not had a tech out to 'maintain' my copper phone line in 25 years nor do I expect to anytime in the future. Your belief in the indestructibility of fibre is touching if a tad ludicrous.

The rest of your figures are also garbage and easily disputed.

never the less the projected cost of maintaining copper is a lot higher than fibre.

An unquantified statement like that is worthless. If FTTN is $50B cheaper than FTTH and has $100Mpa in maintenance costs why would that matter?

"iFF", ...YOU KNOW ANY MATH DEAR SHYSTER?

OF COURSE YOU DO: YOU JUST PRETEND YOU DON'T Cheesy

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #227 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:54pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

...JUST LIKE WTF Roll Eyes

THIS IS COMING FROM A LIBERAL VOTER WHO PURPOSELY VOTED FOR COPPER INTERNET... NOT BY ACCIDENT BECAUSE IT WAS HER DEFAULT TRIBLISTIC CHOICE BUT ON PURPOSE AND WITH A SO-CALLED CONSIDERED RATIONALE Shocked

- WHAT WAS THAT RATIONALE AGAIN?

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #228 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:02pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

You still didn't answer my question - out of the 3 which can transmit the most amount of data in the least amount of time.

What are the advantages of copper over Fiber?

How do you suppose we get around spectrum issues surrounding 5G?

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #229 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:06pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

We haven’t reached those limits yet, Maria. they really will not matter.

it debunks your 'unlimited speed' nonsense.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #230 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:09pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

You still didn't answer my question - out of the 3 which can transmit the most amount of data in the least amount of time.

What are the advantages of copper over Fiber?

How do you suppose we get around spectrum issues surrounding 5G?

A bugatti veyron is faster than any other car and a bus carries more people than any car. So why don't we drive either? A) is too expensive and virtually unusable while B) is overkill for getting the groceries or in fact, for anyone shy of a Sound of Music type family.

It is not about what any technology CAN do, but rather what is needed. I am still to get an even half-reasonable (not to mention accurate) reason why a residence needs super-fast broadband. Business, yes. Residences, no.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #231 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:18pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

We haven’t reached those limits yet, Maria. they really will not matter.

it debunks your 'unlimited speed' nonsense.

You should be able to, with your, post-Einstein physics knowledge, tell us what the maximum for one fibre will be then? If not then "no upper limit found yet" is correct. When that limit is reached you just multiplex multiple fibres.

Edit: And "no upper limit found yet" is not a claim of "unlimited speed", is it? You build a strawman then you beat him.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #232 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:50pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

We haven’t reached those limits yet, Maria. they really will not matter.

it debunks your 'unlimited speed' nonsense.

You should be able to, with your, post-Einstein physics knowledge, tell us what the maximum for one fibre will be then? If not then "no upper limit found yet" is correct. When that limit is reached you just multiplex multiple fibres.

Edit: And "no upper limit found yet" is not a claim of "unlimited speed", is it? You build a strawman then you beat him.

Context. it was a sideways commentary on the oft-stated claim that fiber is he 'ultimate technology' and will never be surpassed nonsense.

Apparently, the theory (from hubby etc) is that if you can cause a stream of neutrinos to resonate and you can perfect a collector (all difficult technologies and currently not possible) you could construct a communication system that is massively better than fibre, is wireless, uninhibited by any matter and if the LHC has found faster-than-light neutrinos, could be used for deep-space communications.

So yeah... fibre is good but it is still a physical cable.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #233 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:55pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

You should be able to, with your, post-Einstein physics knowledge, tell us what the maximum for one fibre will be then? If not then "no upper limit found yet" is correct. When that limit is reached you just multiplex multiple fibres.

Edit: And "no upper limit found yet" is not a claim of "unlimited speed", is it? You build a strawman then you beat him.

Context. it was a sideways commentary on the oft-stated claim that fiber is he 'ultimate technology' and will never be surpassed nonsense.

Apparently, the theory (from hubby etc) is that if you can cause a stream of neutrinos to resonate and you can perfect a collector (all difficult technologies and currently not possible) you could construct a communication system that is massively better than fibre, is wireless, uninhibited by any matter and if the LHC has found faster-than-light neutrinos, could be used for deep-space communications.

So yeah... fibre is good but it is still a physical cable.

Sounds like a plan Maria! We should stick with copper until then, why use fibre when a neutrino generator may be just around the corner.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #234 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 5:05pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

so you were wrong Maria? Is that what you were saying? Cheesy

Here, for your benefit, but I'm getting sick of correcting your mistakes all the time. You'll have to stop flappig your gums over things you obviously have no idea about (everything)

Why Fiber Is Faster

Copper suffers from a significant signal-loss issue. To accurately read a signal, you have to know the exact moment the signal has stopped and the exact moment it began. As a signal is forced to travel farther, the difference between a start and a stop (zero and one) gets very fuzzy. Copper is best used for maintaining a continuous electrical current since it’s a great conductor. However, for signalling, it remains a very poor material. It’s still great for local networks, but not necessarily something we should be using for global communication infrastructure, considering that Cat6a copper cables can lose 94 percent of their signal at 100 meters distance (this is the industrial maximum for signal loss through copper).

Researchers have recently been able to send data at 10 Gbps through copper, but at distances no larger than 30 meters.

Fiber, on the other hand, can theoretically send terabytes per second of data without so much as a 3-percent data loss over 100 meters. Two things are at play here: the signal retention and signal clarity. Not only do you absolutely know when the signal began and ended, but you receive a very strong signal across the wire. This allows communication at dizzying speeds so fast that most routing technologies still can’t process them fast enough.

https://www.maketecheasier.com/why-is-fiber-optic-internet-faster-than-copper/

were you born an idiot or did you study for it?

You must have failed primary school with your appalling understanding of technology, You have at least admitted that the SPEED of data in copper and fibre are THE SPEED OF LIGHT. The rest of your argument is on BANDWIDTH - a concept you apparently dont understand.

Imagine anyone in this day and age being so ignorant of science that they didnt know that electrical signals traveled through copper at the speed of light?

Are you seriously going to keep pretending you have a clue? All the meme's in the world won't help you with your level of stupidity. Grin

Maybe you need to look up the definition of speed when referring to data transfer? We aren't talking about racing cars here. Cheesy

I assumed you'd figured that out on your own but I guess i was wrong. Contrary to what you believe, It doesn't actually refer to the speed the current takes to pass through the cable Cheesy

Speed

Speed is the amount of data that you can transmit per unit of time and when it comes to speed, fiber optic cables win hands down over copper cables. While traditional copper lines can carry roughly 3,000 phone calls at one time, fiber optic cables used in a similar system could carry around 31,000 calls.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #235 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 5:48pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

We haven’t reached those limits yet, Maria. they really will not matter.

it debunks your 'unlimited speed' nonsense.

You should be able to, with your, post-Einstein physics knowledge, tell us what the maximum for one fibre will be then? If not then "no upper limit found yet" is correct. When that limit is reached you just multiplex multiple fibres.

Edit: And "no upper limit found yet" is not a claim of "unlimited speed", is it? You build a strawman then you beat him.

Why do i picture maria as the strawman?

Cheesy

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #236 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 5:51pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

We haven’t reached those limits yet, Maria. they really will not matter.

it debunks your 'unlimited speed' nonsense.

You should be able to, with your, post-Einstein physics knowledge, tell us what the maximum for one fibre will be then? If not then "no upper limit found yet" is correct. When that limit is reached you just multiplex multiple fibres.

Edit: And "no upper limit found yet" is not a claim of "unlimited speed", is it? You build a strawman then you beat him.

Context. it was a sideways commentary on the oft-stated claim that fiber is he 'ultimate technology' and will never be surpassed nonsense.

Apparently, the theory (from hubby etc) is that if you can cause a stream of neutrinos to resonate and you can perfect a collector (all difficult technologies and currently not possible) you could construct a communication system that is massively better than fibre, is wireless, uninhibited by any matter and if the LHC has found faster-than-light neutrinos, could be used for deep-space communications.

So yeah... fibre is good but it is still a physical cable.

"Why isn't your hubby sharing the crack?", is all i can say: of course i'm not speaking for all of us so give me all the boring crack NOW Shocked

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yay, go copper internet in the asian century we built cos i is like all business like and shite Cool

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Reply #237 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 5:53pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 5:51pm:

"Why isn't your hubby sharing the crack?", is all i can say: of course i'm not speaking for all of us so give me all the boring crack NOW Shocked

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yay, go copper internet in the asian century we built cos i is like all business like and shite Cool

You want Maria's crack? Even I wouldn't go there! Shocked

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Reply #238 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 5:54pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

You still didn't answer my question - out of the 3 which can transmit the most amount of data in the least amount of time.

What are the advantages of copper over Fiber?

How do you suppose we get around spectrum issues surrounding 5G?

A bugatti veyron is faster than any other car and a bus carries more people than any car. So why don't we drive either? A) is too expensive and virtually unusable while B) is overkill for getting the groceries or in fact, for anyone shy of a Sound of Music type family.

It is not about what any technology CAN do, but rather what is needed. I am still to get an even half-reasonable (not to mention accurate) reason why a residence needs super-fast broadband. Business, yes. Residences, no.

maria doesn't know what business confidence is Cheesy

Hey, let's all divest from ripping the kids off via real estate and go speculative because malcolms got a new hop and a few internet trolls paid in fancy blue-coloured crack

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #239 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 5:56pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 5:05pm: