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Reply #240 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 6:12pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

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mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

We haven’t reached those limits yet, Maria. they really will not matter.

it debunks your 'unlimited speed' nonsense.

Not in any practical sense.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #241 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 6:57pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

You still didn't answer my question - out of the 3 which can transmit the most amount of data in the least amount of time.

What are the advantages of copper over Fiber?

How do you suppose we get around spectrum issues surrounding 5G?

A bugatti veyron is faster than any other car and a bus carries more people than any car. So why don't we drive either? A) is too expensive and virtually unusable while B) is overkill for getting the groceries or in fact, for anyone shy of a Sound of Music type family.

It is not about what any technology CAN do, but rather what is needed. I am still to get an even half-reasonable (not to mention accurate) reason why a residence needs super-fast broadband. Business, yes. Residences, no.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard!

By that reasoning we should never progress and only build what's adequate now and then spend more money in the future.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #242 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:17pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

You still didn't answer my question - out of the 3 which can transmit the most amount of data in the least amount of time.

What are the advantages of copper over Fiber?

How do you suppose we get around spectrum issues surrounding 5G?

A bugatti veyron is faster than any other car and a bus carries more people than any car. So why don't we drive either? A) is too expensive and virtually unusable while B) is overkill for getting the groceries or in fact, for anyone shy of a Sound of Music type family.

It is not about what any technology CAN do, but rather what is needed. I am still to get an even half-reasonable (not to mention accurate) reason why a residence needs super-fast broadband. Business, yes. Residences, no.

If you need to move a lot of people (data) you would buy a bus not a car.

It is not what fibre can do now (tho the average speed is 8mbps which is embarrassing and lots of people don’t even got that much. It is an investment in the future.

But now Netflix is here ADSLx speeds have dropped markedly. My 20mbps is now under 7mbps. The copper is not up to the task and FTTN won’t make hardly any difference. FTTH is what we should be rolling out. Imagine if they had kept on rolling it out for the two years they did nothing!

FTTN & HFC were chosen not for reasons of costs and benefits!

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #244 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:26pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

A bugatti veyron is faster than any other car and a bus carries more people than any car. So why don't we drive either? A) is too expensive and virtually unusable while B) is overkill for getting the groceries or in fact, for anyone shy of a Sound of Music type family.

It is not about what any technology CAN do, but rather what is needed. I am still to get an even half-reasonable (not to mention accurate) reason why a residence needs super-fast broadband. Business, yes. Residences, no.

The points you are trying to make were decided 20 years ago.

Nobody on any side agrees with you. You need to just get over it, Everyone recognises that we need fast broadband.

It is just that the Libs stuffed up the assignment for stupid political reasons. Abbott could not be bipartisan on the topic so he flushed us all down the drain instead.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #245 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:28pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

A bugatti veyron is faster than any other car and a bus carries more people than any car. So why don't we drive either? A) is too expensive and virtually unusable while B) is overkill for getting the groceries or in fact, for anyone shy of a Sound of Music type family.

It is not about what any technology CAN do, but rather what is needed. I am still to get an even half-reasonable (not to mention accurate) reason why a residence needs super-fast broadband. Business, yes. Residences, no.

If you need to move a lot of people (data) you would buy a bus not a car.

It is not what fibre can do now (tho the average speed is 8mbps which is embarrassing and lots of people don’t even got that much. It is an investment in the future.

But now Netflix is here ADSLx speeds have dropped markedly. My 20mbps is now under 7mbps. The copper is not up to the task and FTTN won’t make hardly any difference. FTTH is what we should be rolling out. Imagine if they had kept on rolling it out for the two years they did nothing!

FTTN & HFC were chosen not for reasons of costs and benefits!

If you are doing something on a large scale, you do it one way, think uniform, Not only do you only need one set of people trained in the tech, everything you buy is cheaper because you are buying larger amounts of that product. When that product also costs less to run and maintain than the other wired alternatives, it's just a no-brainer to do it once, do it universally. Have it so the system can handle only phonecalls all the way to 10G that is possible now. Just ring your provider and tell them the level you want. If you decide to run a business from your home, any home you can, ring your telco and pay up.

Edit: I think FTTP is a better way to look at it. Home has certain connotations that could only be there either to appeal to the house/home side or to use that as a weapon against them as wanting stuff for free. Neither is correct. Just as copper was ubiquitous, now fibre needs to be.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #246 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:16pm

Maria is right - we don't need fiber.

Just like we don't need hospitals, rail,roads, schools, the copper network, modern medicine, houses, electricity.

We should all go live in a cave!

It's lucky the government has never built a network like the nbn before - oh that's right they paid for the copper can.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #247 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:20pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:16pm:

Maria is right - we don't need fiber.

Just like we don't need hospitals, rail,roads, schools, the copper network, modern medicine, houses, electricity.

We should all go live in a cave!

It's lucky the government has never built a network like the nbn before - oh that's right they paid for the copper can.

That wasn't this govt.

edit: Many years ago when I worked in the wheat belt of WA, there were still steel telegraph lines running down the side of many roads. I'm sure I have some insulators I picked up of the side of the road, somewhere. So much potential, lost to history. Real steel!

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016 Reply #248 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 10:06pm What is wrong with steel? Do we really need this new-fangled copper? Steel was alright in Grandpa’s day {mumble} {grumble} —Longy 100 years ago.
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Reply #249 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 10:09pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

You still didn't answer my question - out of the 3 which can transmit the most amount of data in the least amount of time.

What are the advantages of copper over Fiber?

How do you suppose we get around spectrum issues surrounding 5G?

A bugatti veyron is faster than any other car and a bus carries more people than any car. So why don't we drive either? A) is too expensive and virtually unusable while B) is overkill for getting the groceries or in fact, for anyone shy of a Sound of Music type family.

It is not about what any technology CAN do, but rather what is needed. I am still to get an even half-reasonable (not to mention accurate) reason why a residence needs super-fast broadband. Business, yes. Residences, no.

If you need to move a lot of people (data) you would buy a bus not a car.

It is not what fibre can do now (tho the average speed is 8mbps which is embarrassing and lots of people don’t even got that much. It is an investment in the future.

But now Netflix is here ADSLx speeds have dropped markedly. My 20mbps is now under 7mbps. The copper is not up to the task and FTTN won’t make hardly any difference. FTTH is what we should be rolling out. Imagine if they had kept on rolling it out for the two years they did nothing!

FTTN & HFC were chosen not for reasons of costs and benefits!

Maria's arguing that we don't need multi bed hospitals because an individual can only use one bed at a time Cheesy

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016 Reply #250 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 10:19pm It is like those narrow roads leading into the city, obviously built with no regard for increased traffic over time. FTTN is us making the same mistake with the internet.
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Reply #251 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:22am

Why do we need copper, ironwire is good enough.

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He knows it's not good enough - it was not even mentioned in the innovation speech.

I think he will either scrap it or switch to FTTdp.

As for people like maria - they only care about their needs - how selfish!

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Reply #252 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:25am

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 6:57pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Yes, twit. Do you have any idea what speed electricity travels through wires? Apparently not. Did you ever go to school?

maybe if telstra bothered to build it's network in a vacuum .... otherwise no, it's not even close. Cheesy

Didn't they teach you that at your school?

You ignorance apparently knows no bounds. Fibre isnt in a vacuum either. The speed of both fibre and copper data transfer is around 98-99% of the speed of light.

Your dumbness is extraordinary. Now do we have to explain to you that wireless travels at around the same speed or do you think it travels at the speed of sound.

It isn’t the speed that matters it is the amount of information that can be sent down the transmission medium, copper or fibre.

Copper is lousy. You can jam more signal down the line but the signal deteriorates quickly with distance. The other thing jamming a high frequency signal down a copper cable means the copper emits a RF signal so it gets noisy.

There is no upper limit found yet for the amount of information that can be sent down an optical fibre. The signal does not deteriorate much with distance either.

It is an act of gross stupidity—or something more sinister—by Malcolm to roll out FTTN over Telstra copper.

Quantum barriers will limit how much any fibre cable can carry - something you would know if you had studied physics post-Einstein.

You still didn't answer my question - out of the 3 which can transmit the most amount of data in the least amount of time.

What are the advantages of copper over Fiber?

How do you suppose we get around spectrum issues surrounding 5G?

A bugatti veyron is faster than any other car and a bus carries more people than any car. So why don't we drive either? A) is too expensive and virtually unusable while B) is overkill for getting the groceries or in fact, for anyone shy of a Sound of Music type family.

It is not about what any technology CAN do, but rather what is needed. I am still to get an even half-reasonable (not to mention accurate) reason why a residence needs super-fast broadband. Business, yes. Residences, no.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard!

By that reasoning we should never progress and only build what's adequate now and then spend more money in the future.

And you perfectly articulate my point. When confronted with an opposing position you simply RANT. You still need to justify super-fast broadband in the residence. Business no problem. Homes, BIG problem. How fast do you want facebook?

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Reply #254 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:27am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

A bugatti veyron is faster than any other car and a bus carries more people than any car. So why don't we drive either? A) is too expensive and virtually unusable while B) is overkill for getting the groceries or in fact, for anyone shy of a Sound of Music type family.

It is not about what any technology CAN do, but rather what is needed. I am still to get an even half-reasonable (not to mention accurate) reason why a residence needs super-fast broadband. Business, yes. Residences, no.

The points you are trying to make were decided 20 years ago.

Nobody on any side agrees with you. You need to just get over it, Everyone recognises that we need fast broadband.

It is just that the Libs stuffed up the assignment for stupid political reasons. Abbott could not be bipartisan on the topic so he flushed us all down the drain instead.

I would agree, but the problem is that you and your ilk think we need 100Mbs broadband in the home and I am asking you to tell me WHY. Standard NBN is the same speed as ADSL so the point of that is....?

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