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Reply #255 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:30am

It's a really simple question, fanatics. Tell me why the average home needs 100Mbps broadband. What do they do that the current ADSL 2 does not do. I accept that spots that do not have ADSL 2+ need to be upgraded and that was in fact the howard plan and due to be complete in 2011.

So again... what do you need it for in the home?

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Reply #256 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:34am

For one thing is it MUCH more reliable.

Secondly, Netflix and its streaming of video into the homes of more and more subscribers and is overloading the pathetic ADSLx network. My speed has dropped by about two thirds, not good enough.

FTTP needs to go to homes, be ubiquitous to get the full benefit of it. For example: telecommuting, telehealth. It will also pay for itself sooner, all those vid phone calls. With FTTP even those downloading scads of porn—they are subsidising more modest users, e.g. kids using online resources to do their homework.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #257 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:35am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:27am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

A bugatti veyron is faster than any other car and a bus carries more people than any car. So why don't we drive either? A) is too expensive and virtually unusable while B) is overkill for getting the groceries or in fact, for anyone shy of a Sound of Music type family.

It is not about what any technology CAN do, but rather what is needed. I am still to get an even half-reasonable (not to mention accurate) reason why a residence needs super-fast broadband. Business, yes. Residences, no.

The points you are trying to make were decided 20 years ago.

Nobody on any side agrees with you. You need to just get over it, Everyone recognises that we need fast broadband.

It is just that the Libs stuffed up the assignment for stupid political reasons. Abbott could not be bipartisan on the topic so he flushed us all down the drain instead.

I would agree, but the problem is that you and your ilk think we need 100Mbs broadband in the home and I am asking you to tell me WHY. Standard NBN is the same speed as ADSL so the point of that is....?

Standard NBN is the same speed as ADSL - since when?

Does ADSL guarantee 25/12 mbps or is it up to?

I can't take you seriously as the amount of fud you spew and straw man arguments you make is astounding.

You still haven't demonstrated how copper is better than fiber in terms of cost, maintenance and performance.

If you can't demonstrate these simple things then it's obvious you have nothing.

Who says I only use the internet for Facebook?

I utilise it for a lot of different things - including business and personal.

FTTN is as expensive as FTTH - this cannot be questioned.

So we have 3 options - FTTdp, FTTP or scrap it completely.

How do you think we are going to be an innovation nation without a world class network?

Good Government V 305????

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #258 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 10:14am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:27am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

A bugatti veyron is faster than any other car and a bus carries more people than any car. So why don't we drive either? A) is too expensive and virtually unusable while B) is overkill for getting the groceries or in fact, for anyone shy of a Sound of Music type family.

It is not about what any technology CAN do, but rather what is needed. I am still to get an even half-reasonable (not to mention accurate) reason why a residence needs super-fast broadband. Business, yes. Residences, no.

The points you are trying to make were decided 20 years ago.

Nobody on any side agrees with you. You need to just get over it, Everyone recognises that we need fast broadband.

It is just that the Libs stuffed up the assignment for stupid political reasons. Abbott could not be bipartisan on the topic so he flushed us all down the drain instead.

I would agree, but the problem is that you and your ilk think we need 100Mbs broadband in the home and I am asking you to tell me WHY. Standard NBN is the same speed as ADSL so the point of that is....?

So you are wanting to control what others do with a connection they pay money for?

I thought you were all about giving people personal choice.

I can easily max out a 100mbps fttp connection - I've actually used one - have you?

What i do with my internet connection is my business - stop trying to control others!

Your needs and mine are vastly different!

Good Government V 305????

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #259 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 1:07pm

12:1 is better than what 3/4 ADSLx subscribers get now. Useful for those who only want a phone.

25:5 is way better than ANYTHING ADSL/VDSL can offer. Upload photos and videos quickly, better skype calls.

50:20 would allow really good uploads/video phone calls. Grandparents want to keep up with the grandkids you know.

100:40 could easily be justified where a household has a couple of kids. The possibility of 100:40 would get many thinking about the possibilities of telecommuting!

And Netflix and company are daily swamping the copper network.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #260 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 5:00pm

"But I don't need anything faster than ADSL so we shouldn't upgrade"

"You can't demonstrate why we need FTTP so we shouldn't upgrade"

"It's too expensive to upgrade"

"Only business' need it"

This is the type of thinking of Maria and co - if we had the same type of thinking back when they were building the copper network we would not have built it and we wouldn't have adsl today!

Only upgrading for business' is false economy when rolling out a network of this magnitude.

Either do the whole country or don't even bother and we fall further behind.

Good Government V 305????

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #261 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 6:43pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

For one thing is it MUCH more reliable.

Secondly, Netflix and its streaming of video into the homes of more and more subscribers and is overloading the pathetic ADSLx network. My speed has dropped by about two thirds, not good enough.

FTTP needs to go to homes, be ubiquitous to get the full benefit of it. For example: telecommuting, telehealth. It will also pay for itself sooner, all those vid phone calls. With FTTP even those downloading scads of porn—they are subsidising more modest users, e.g. kids using online resources to do their homework.

Netflix is overloading the BACKBONE - which is fibre. It is not overloading the distribution network.

telehealth is non-existant outside of skype calls.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #262 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 6:44pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:35am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:27am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

A bugatti veyron is faster than any other car and a bus carries more people than any car. So why don't we drive either? A) is too expensive and virtually unusable while B) is overkill for getting the groceries or in fact, for anyone shy of a Sound of Music type family.

It is not about what any technology CAN do, but rather what is needed. I am still to get an even half-reasonable (not to mention accurate) reason why a residence needs super-fast broadband. Business, yes. Residences, no.

The points you are trying to make were decided 20 years ago.

Nobody on any side agrees with you. You need to just get over it, Everyone recognises that we need fast broadband.

It is just that the Libs stuffed up the assignment for stupid political reasons. Abbott could not be bipartisan on the topic so he flushed us all down the drain instead.

I would agree, but the problem is that you and your ilk think we need 100Mbs broadband in the home and I am asking you to tell me WHY. Standard NBN is the same speed as ADSL so the point of that is....?

Standard NBN is the same speed as ADSL - since when?

Does ADSL guarantee 25/12 mbps or is it up to?

I can't take you seriously as the amount of fud you spew and straw man arguments you make is astounding.

You still haven't demonstrated how copper is better than fiber in terms of cost, maintenance and performance.

If you can't demonstrate these simple things then it's obvious you have nothing.

Who says I only use the internet for Facebook?

I utilise it for a lot of different things - including business and personal.

FTTN is as expensive as FTTH - this cannot be questioned.

So we have 3 options - FTTdp, FTTP or scrap it completely.

How do you think we are going to be an innovation nation without a world class network?

Standard NBN is 12/1

get it right.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #263 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 6:45pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

"But I don't need anything faster than ADSL so we shouldn't upgrade"

"You can't demonstrate why we need FTTP so we shouldn't upgrade"

"It's too expensive to upgrade"

"Only business' need it"

This is the type of thinking of Maria and co - if we had the same type of thinking back when they were building the copper network we would not have built it and we wouldn't have adsl today!

Only upgrading for business' is false economy when rolling out a network of this magnitude.

Either do the whole country or don't even bother and we fall further behind.

SO in essence, what you are saying is that you cannot find some mythical reason for the household to have this 100Mbps internet?

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #264 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 7:02pm

We are saying that we cannot hammer sense into the block of concrete you use for a head. The Netflix has slowed down the whole network!

There is a node was put up just around the corner of my street. On returning from the market this afternoon I saw a technician working on it so stopped the car and chatted to him.

He agreed FTTN was a joke barely capable of 5:1. It has an airconditioner (so triple the power cost) at the front and a fan at the back. But he told me if it got over 30°C the thing would stop working.

We had a good laugh and I finished driving home.

FTTN is a joke.

Telehealth is not teleconferencing. How many times do you have to be told something before you get it? 100?

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #265 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 7:21pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

For one thing is it MUCH more reliable.

Secondly, Netflix and its streaming of video into the homes of more and more subscribers and is overloading the pathetic ADSLx network. My speed has dropped by about two thirds, not good enough.

FTTP needs to go to homes, be ubiquitous to get the full benefit of it. For example: telecommuting, telehealth. It will also pay for itself sooner, all those vid phone calls. With FTTP even those downloading scads of porn—they are subsidising more modest users, e.g. kids using online resources to do their homework.

Netflix is overloading the BACKBONE - which is fibre. It is not overloading the distribution network.

telehealth is non-existant outside of skype calls.

The network is slowed down because it is copper which is degraded and cannot handle the through put (GET IT RIGHT!)

80% of ADSL/hfc lines can't even do 12/1.

The same could be said for FTTN and 50/1.

Do you even understand the different technologies?

You seem to lack a basic grasp of why copper/wireless aren't ever going to be as fast a fibre.

You've also failed to demonstrate what happens when the congestion over wireless and adsl gets so bad due to lack of spectrum and also degradation of copper.

I know why we need fiber, you've provided no reasons why we should stick with copper.

Good Government V 305????

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #266 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 7:44pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

We are saying that we cannot hammer sense into the block of concrete you use for a head. The Netflix has slowed down the whole network!

There is a node was put up just around the corner of my street. On returning from the market this afternoon I saw a technician working on it so stopped the car and chatted to him.

He agreed FTTN was a joke barely capable of 5:1. It has an airconditioner (so triple the power cost) at the front and a fan at the back. But he told me if it got over 30°C the thing would stop working.

We had a good laugh and I finished driving home.

FTTN is a joke.

Telehealth is not teleconferencing. How many times do you have to be told something before you get it? 100?

Then what is it? And feel free to give me actual real-world examples.

And we know you wont.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #267 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 7:45pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 7:21pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

For one thing is it MUCH more reliable.

Secondly, Netflix and its streaming of video into the homes of more and more subscribers and is overloading the pathetic ADSLx network. My speed has dropped by about two thirds, not good enough.

FTTP needs to go to homes, be ubiquitous to get the full benefit of it. For example: telecommuting, telehealth. It will also pay for itself sooner, all those vid phone calls. With FTTP even those downloading scads of porn—they are subsidising more modest users, e.g. kids using online resources to do their homework.

Netflix is overloading the BACKBONE - which is fibre. It is not overloading the distribution network.

telehealth is non-existant outside of skype calls.

The network is slowed down because it is copper which is degraded and cannot handle the through put (GET IT RIGHT!)

80% of ADSL/hfc lines can't even do 12/1.

The same could be said for FTTN and 50/1.

Do you even understand the different technologies?

You seem to lack a basic grasp of why copper/wireless aren't ever going to be as fast a fibre.

You've also failed to demonstrate what happens when the congestion over wireless and adsl gets so bad due to lack of spectrum and also degradation of copper.

I know why we need fiber, you've provided no reasons why we should stick with copper.

You make a lot of claims and back up absolutely none of them.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #268 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 7:56pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 7:45pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 7:21pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

For one thing is it MUCH more reliable.

Secondly, Netflix and its streaming of video into the homes of more and more subscribers and is overloading the pathetic ADSLx network. My speed has dropped by about two thirds, not good enough.

FTTP needs to go to homes, be ubiquitous to get the full benefit of it. For example: telecommuting, telehealth. It will also pay for itself sooner, all those vid phone calls. With FTTP even those downloading scads of porn—they are subsidising more modest users, e.g. kids using online resources to do their homework.

Netflix is overloading the BACKBONE - which is fibre. It is not overloading the distribution network.

telehealth is non-existant outside of skype calls.

The network is slowed down because it is copper which is degraded and cannot handle the through put (GET IT RIGHT!)

80% of ADSL/hfc lines can't even do 12/1.

The same could be said for FTTN and 50/1.

Do you even understand the different technologies?

You seem to lack a basic grasp of why copper/wireless aren't ever going to be as fast a fibre.

You've also failed to demonstrate what happens when the congestion over wireless and adsl gets so bad due to lack of spectrum and also degradation of copper.

I know why we need fiber, you've provided no reasons why we should stick with copper.

You make a lot of claims and back up absolutely none of them.

That's the pot calling the kettle black!

You have provided nothing to support what you are saying!

It pretty much shows you have nothing to support your opinion!

Good Government V 305????

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #269 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 8:03pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

We are saying that we cannot hammer sense into the block of concrete you use for a head. The Netflix has slowed down the whole network!

There is a node was put up just around the corner of my street. On returning from the market this afternoon I saw a technician working on it so stopped the car and chatted to him.

He agreed FTTN was a joke barely capable of 5:1. It has an airconditioner (so triple the power cost) at the front and a fan at the back. But he told me if it got over 30°C the thing would stop working.

We had a good laugh and I finished driving home.

FTTN is a joke.

Telehealth is not teleconferencing. How many times do you have to be told something before you get it? 100?

Then what is it? And feel free to give me actual real-world examples.

And we know you wont.

I have already done this. Go have a look.

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.

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