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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75131 Gender:	Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016 Reply #300 - Dec 12^th, 2015 at 7:38pm I see Marialongstupidone is flapping her gums again if it isn't going to be profitable why would the govt. contemplate selling it? who would buy a business that will NEVER be profitable?
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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #302 - Dec 12^th, 2015 at 8:07pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

Streaming Video has grown at such a rapid pace in North America that the leading service in 2015, Netflix, now has a greater share of traffic than all of streaming audio and video did five years ago

and what happens in another 5 yrs? and 5 yrs after that? and after that?

anyone who advocates building the NBN based on todays usage is a bona fide idiot. (

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No way I am paying $100B so you lazy buggers can watch netflix. if netflix needs that kind of bandwidth then let them pay for it.

As it is we are going to pay $80 B rolling out FTTN so that we can pull it out and spend another $90 B installing what we should have in the first place.

You will actually be paying double.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #304 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:38am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 8:07pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

Streaming Video has grown at such a rapid pace in North America that the leading service in 2015, Netflix, now has a greater share of traffic than all of streaming audio and video did five years ago

and what happens in another 5 yrs? and 5 yrs after that? and after that?

anyone who advocates building the NBN based on todays usage is a bona fide idiot. (

Hi Maria

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No way I am paying $100B so you lazy buggers can watch netflix. if netflix needs that kind of bandwidth then let them pay for it.

As it is we are going to pay $80 B rolling out FTTN so that we can pull it out and spend another $90 B installing what we should have in the first place.

You will actually be paying double.

Can you just once in a while try actual facts and not make them up as they go along? The FTTN MTM is costing $53B. The FTTP was last costed (2 years ago) at $90B+

BTW the only difference between FTTN and FTTP is the fibre from the node to the home. That is where the major savings are as we accept that the average home has zero need for fibre. Despite being asked multiple times, no one has ever come up with a credible need for 100Mbs internet and if 12Mbps is fine, then why the problem with FTTN?

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #305 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:43am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:38am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 8:07pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

Streaming Video has grown at such a rapid pace in North America that the leading service in 2015, Netflix, now has a greater share of traffic than all of streaming audio and video did five years ago

and what happens in another 5 yrs? and 5 yrs after that? and after that?

anyone who advocates building the NBN based on todays usage is a bona fide idiot. (

Hi Maria

)

No way I am paying $100B so you lazy buggers can watch netflix. if netflix needs that kind of bandwidth then let them pay for it.

As it is we are going to pay $80 B rolling out FTTN so that we can pull it out and spend another $90 B installing what we should have in the first place.

You will actually be paying double.

Can you just once in a while try actual facts and not make them up as they go along? The FTTN MTM is costing $53B. The FTTP was last costed (2 years ago) at $90B+

BTW the only difference between FTTN and FTTP is the fibre from the node to the home. That is where the major savings are as we accept that the average home has zero need for fibre. Despite being asked multiple times, no one has ever come up with a credible need for 100Mbs internet and if 12Mbps is fine, then why the problem with FTTN?

Is that $53B inclusive of the last few blow outs with a lot of the infrastructure purchased found to be unusable and a significant amount to copper needing to unexpectedly be replace.

When it is all finished in around 10 years and the total is added up I bet that my estimate looks conservative.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #306 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:08am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:43am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:38am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 8:07pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

Streaming Video has grown at such a rapid pace in North America that the leading service in 2015, Netflix, now has a greater share of traffic than all of streaming audio and video did five years ago

and what happens in another 5 yrs? and 5 yrs after that? and after that?

anyone who advocates building the NBN based on todays usage is a bona fide idiot. (

Hi Maria

)

No way I am paying $100B so you lazy buggers can watch netflix. if netflix needs that kind of bandwidth then let them pay for it.

As it is we are going to pay $80 B rolling out FTTN so that we can pull it out and spend another $90 B installing what we should have in the first place.

You will actually be paying double.

Can you just once in a while try actual facts and not make them up as they go along? The FTTN MTM is costing $53B. The FTTP was last costed (2 years ago) at $90B+

BTW the only difference between FTTN and FTTP is the fibre from the node to the home. That is where the major savings are as we accept that the average home has zero need for fibre. Despite being asked multiple times, no one has ever come up with a credible need for 100Mbs internet and if 12Mbps is fine, then why the problem with FTTN?

Is that $53B inclusive of the last few blow outs with a lot of the infrastructure purchased found to be unusable and a significant amount to copper needing to unexpectedly be replace.

When it is all finished in around 10 years and the total is added up I bet that my estimate looks conservative.

Yes they found they need to spend $600M on copper remediation. So make it $53.6B. Happy now? Of course there will be cost blowouts! A project of this size - and run by the government - is doomed to have large blowouts. Of course you could point me to any large project that doesnt have blowouts for comparison?

FTTH sounds all nice but was massive expensive, was taking an enormous amount of time and still many people questioned the worth of fibre to the residence. Perhaps you would like to be the first to give us an example of what 100Mbps internet will do in the home. Warning: if all you can come up with is TV and netflix then dont bother.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #307 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:10am

John Smith wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 7:38pm:

I see Marialongstupidone is flapping her gums again

if it isn't going to be profitable why would the govt. contemplate selling it? who would buy a business that will NEVER be profitable? Cheesy

If you were even half as bright as pansi you would realise you answered your own question.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #308 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 11:16am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 11:08am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

SO in essence, what you are saying is that you cannot find some mythical reason for the household to have this 100Mbps internet?

No, it's about replacing old tech with new. You can buy just an NBN phoneline. You can also buy 10, 100 or 1000Gb connections. It allows every connection, the same as the old copper used to. Do it once, do it uniformly as the copper generally was. Why resurrect old tech as part of the plan? There should be no revamps of copper or coax. As they become "past lifetime" they should be replaced, not repaired.

Just as long as YOU dont have to pay for it.

WHat about if you had the option of FTTN or FTTH but you had to pay $1000 to get FTTH. Would you pay it? It would certainly separate those who seriously want fast internet from those that dont.

Everyone that used it would be paying for it.

It's the cost of a washing machine, yes I'd pay for it but there is an alternative. They are building the NBN, let them do the lot and in the price of connection put a rental charge that pays back the $1,000 over ten years.

You do know your $1,000 thing is just a red herring, it has no real bearing on anything.

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Reply #309 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am

Setanta wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 11:08am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

SO in essence, what you are saying is that you cannot find some mythical reason for the household to have this 100Mbps internet?

No, it's about replacing old tech with new. You can buy just an NBN phoneline. You can also buy 10, 100 or 1000Gb connections. It allows every connection, the same as the old copper used to. Do it once, do it uniformly as the copper generally was. Why resurrect old tech as part of the plan? There should be no revamps of copper or coax. As they become "past lifetime" they should be replaced, not repaired.

Just as long as YOU dont have to pay for it.

WHat about if you had the option of FTTN or FTTH but you had to pay $1000 to get FTTH. Would you pay it? It would certainly separate those who seriously want fast internet from those that dont.

Everyone that used it would be paying for it.

It's the cost of a washing machine, yes I'd pay for it but there is an alternative. They are building the NBN, let them do the lot and in the price of connection put a rental charge that pays back the $1,000 over ten years.

You do know your $1,000 thing is just a red herring, it has no real bearing on anything.

So essentially, you only want FTTH if you dont have to pay for it. That tells me how much you actually value it - not very much at all.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #310 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 12:18pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:38am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 8:07pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

Streaming Video has grown at such a rapid pace in North America that the leading service in 2015, Netflix, now has a greater share of traffic than all of streaming audio and video did five years ago

and what happens in another 5 yrs? and 5 yrs after that? and after that?

anyone who advocates building the NBN based on todays usage is a bona fide idiot. (

Hi Maria

)

No way I am paying $100B so you lazy buggers can watch netflix. if netflix needs that kind of bandwidth then let them pay for it.

As it is we are going to pay $80 B rolling out FTTN so that we can pull it out and spend another $90 B installing what we should have in the first place.

You will actually be paying double.

Can you just once in a while try actual facts and not make them up as they go along? The FTTN MTM is costing $53B. The FTTP was last costed (2 years ago) at $90B+

BTW the only difference between FTTN and FTTP is the fibre from the node to the home. That is where the major savings are as we accept that the average home has zero need for fibre. Despite being asked multiple times, no one has ever come up with a credible need for 100Mbs internet and if 12Mbps is fine, then why the problem with FTTN?

Maria is a dodgy accountant:

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #311 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 12:19pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:10am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 7:38pm:

I see Marialongstupidone is flapping her gums again

if it isn't going to be profitable why would the govt. contemplate selling it? who would buy a business that will NEVER be profitable? Cheesy

If you were even half as bright as pansi you would realise you answered your own question.

maria said what Roll Eyes

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #312 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 12:24pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 11:08am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

SO in essence, what you are saying is that you cannot find some mythical reason for the household to have this 100Mbps internet?

No, it's about replacing old tech with new. You can buy just an NBN phoneline. You can also buy 10, 100 or 1000Gb connections. It allows every connection, the same as the old copper used to. Do it once, do it uniformly as the copper generally was. Why resurrect old tech as part of the plan? There should be no revamps of copper or coax. As they become "past lifetime" they should be replaced, not repaired.

Just as long as YOU dont have to pay for it.

WHat about if you had the option of FTTN or FTTH but you had to pay $1000 to get FTTH. Would you pay it? It would certainly separate those who seriously want fast internet from those that dont.

Everyone that used it would be paying for it.

It's the cost of a washing machine, yes I'd pay for it but there is an alternative. They are building the NBN, let them do the lot and in the price of connection put a rental charge that pays back the $1,000 over ten years.

You do know your $1,000 thing is just a red herring, it has no real bearing on anything.

Money changes value: this is where the whole global agreement for climate change breaks down.

It's just whitey locking the majority into a bullshite rubbery figures game!! No wonder revolution is afoot!!!

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #313 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 12:25pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 11:40am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 11:08am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

SO in essence, what you are saying is that you cannot find some mythical reason for the household to have this 100Mbps internet?

No, it's about replacing old tech with new. You can buy just an NBN phoneline. You can also buy 10, 100 or 1000Gb connections. It allows every connection, the same as the old copper used to. Do it once, do it uniformly as the copper generally was. Why resurrect old tech as part of the plan? There should be no revamps of copper or coax. As they become "past lifetime" they should be replaced, not repaired.

Just as long as YOU dont have to pay for it.

WHat about if you had the option of FTTN or FTTH but you had to pay $1000 to get FTTH. Would you pay it? It would certainly separate those who seriously want fast internet from those that dont.

Everyone that used it would be paying for it.

It's the cost of a washing machine, yes I'd pay for it but there is an alternative. They are building the NBN, let them do the lot and in the price of connection put a rental charge that pays back the $1,000 over ten years.

You do know your $1,000 thing is just a red herring, it has no real bearing on anything.

So essentially, you only want FTTH if you dont have to pay for it. That tells me how much you actually value it - not very much at all.

It's called bang for the tax-payer dollar: your conclusions are illogical and can only come from the mind of a jilted person.

Cheesy

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #314 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 12:27pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:10am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12^th, 2015 at 7:38pm:

I see Marialongstupidone is flapping her gums again

if it isn't going to be profitable why would the govt. contemplate selling it? who would buy a business that will NEVER be profitable? Cheesy

If you were even half as bright as pansi you would realise you answered your own question.

Ohh I had no real questions, they were rhetorical. If you were half as bright as a gnat you may have realised that.

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