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Reply #360 - Dec 15th, 2015 at 5:44pm
 
Ha! Fifield got really angry at the release by Labor showing how the MTM crap is falling behind. Ranted nicely—but didn’t try to disprove the figures.

bwahahahaha Fifield carrying Malcolm’s bodge entitled to feel peed off.
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Reply #361 - Dec 15th, 2015 at 5:57pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 3:33pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 12:32pm:
We did have one of the best economies but the Libs have taken care of that!

$375Bn net debt by 17/18, pretty crap effort.$2.3Bn deficit blowout. And the rest!


Hey boofhead... The last liberal govt gave you zero debt and a budget in surplus. Now another liberal govt has to clean up the mess. The current deficit is still less than almost every single Swan deficit.

go copper internet: you didn't think we had forgotten did you  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #362 - Dec 15th, 2015 at 6:07pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 3:37pm:
21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 12:46pm:
mariacostel wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 9:41am:
https://www.stateoftheinternet.com/resources-connectivity-2015-q3-state-of-the-internet-report.html

Q3 2015 is out!
Quicklist -

Australia still ranked 46th with zero changes from Q2 2015
Australia smallest peak connection speeds in Asia Pacific with 4% increase.
Australia with the smallest yearly growth rate of 16% (average was 25%)
Australia with the smallest 10Mbps adoption of 1.3%
Australia drops 2 ranks to 52nd of the 4Mbps adoption (slower rate then other countries why we dropped)
Australia drops 1 rank to 45th of the 10Mbps adoption
NBN FTTN gets a mention with may increase Australia's 15Mbps adoption

The MTM faster, sooner, cheaper option has been shown for what it is - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!



And yet we have one of the best economies in the world and one of the worlds most livable countries.  Perhaps just  possibly, porn download speeds are not what makes a country great.


You have once again shown you have no idea:

http://www.amta.org.au/articles/Internet.in.Australia.rivals.iron-ore.exp

The report forecasts the Internet’s contribution to Australia’s GDP will grow by around 7% a year to reach $70 billion by 2016.




'the internet'.  Curiously undefined, but that is what you get used to in debates like this. But if you were brighter than you obviously are, you would realise that this 7% contribution is all done on ADSL or on businesses pre-existing (non NBN) fibre.

But how is that possible?  I thought without FTTP there would be no internet economy and now by your own admission there already is... and it is working well.

Perhaps the reason is because the value is gained in BUSINESS not in RESIDENCES. And business already has it.

maria doesn't know what business is: or innovation!

The mistake of the elites is to forget they don't the need spark from the masses...  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Business is business: maria thinks it's a fashion statement  Grin
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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #363 - Dec 15th, 2015 at 7:20pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 3:37pm:
21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 12:46pm:
mariacostel wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 9:41am:
https://www.stateoftheinternet.com/resources-connectivity-2015-q3-state-of-the-internet-report.html

Q3 2015 is out!
Quicklist -

Australia still ranked 46th with zero changes from Q2 2015
Australia smallest peak connection speeds in Asia Pacific with 4% increase.
Australia with the smallest yearly growth rate of 16% (average was 25%)
Australia with the smallest 10Mbps adoption of 1.3%
Australia drops 2 ranks to 52nd of the 4Mbps adoption (slower rate then other countries why we dropped)
Australia drops 1 rank to 45th of the 10Mbps adoption
NBN FTTN gets a mention with may increase Australia's 15Mbps adoption

The MTM faster, sooner, cheaper option has been shown for what it is - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!



And yet we have one of the best economies in the world and one of the worlds most livable countries.  Perhaps just  possibly, porn download speeds are not what makes a country great.


You have once again shown you have no idea:

http://www.amta.org.au/articles/Internet.in.Australia.rivals.iron-ore.exp

The report forecasts the Internet’s contribution to Australia’s GDP will grow by around 7% a year to reach $70 billion by 2016.




'the internet'.  Curiously undefined, but that is what you get used to in debates like this. But if you were brighter than you obviously are, you would realise that this 7% contribution is all done on ADSL or on businesses pre-existing (non NBN) fibre.

But how is that possible?  I thought without FTTP there would be no internet economy and now by your own admission there already is... and it is working well.

Perhaps the reason is because the value is gained in BUSINESS not in RESIDENCES. And business already has it.

It's based on rolling out FTTP Maria - of course I wouldn't expect you to agree with that.

Keep holding onto Copper - when it no longer works what shall we do then?
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Reply #364 - Dec 15th, 2015 at 8:11pm
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-15/slow-data-speeds-on-the-rise-as-consumer-c...

The number of complaints about slow data speeds in Australia have increased by 66 per cent compared to the same quarter last year, statistics released by the telecommunications watchdog show.

"The latest results featured a 50 per cent drop in complaints about excess data charges - underlining the success of improved spend management tools for customers and the industry's drive to tailor mobile and data plans that avoid the risk of customers incurring such charges," Mr Stanton said.

"The figures also point to a greatly improved experience for consumers who are migrating their services to the National Broadband Network (NBN)."

Luckily we are continuing with a FTTP nbn right?
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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #365 - Dec 15th, 2015 at 8:37pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 3:33pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 12:32pm:
We did have one of the best economies but the Libs have taken care of that!

$375Bn net debt by 17/18, pretty crap effort.$2.3Bn deficit blowout. And the rest!


Hey boofhead... The last liberal govt gave you zero debt and a budget in surplus. Now another liberal govt has to clean up the mess. The current deficit is still less than almost every single Swan deficit.

Can you give actual figures?
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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #366 - Dec 15th, 2015 at 9:46pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 8:37pm:
mariacostel wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 3:33pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 12:32pm:
We did have one of the best economies but the Libs have taken care of that!

$375Bn net debt by 17/18, pretty crap effort.$2.3Bn deficit blowout. And the rest!


Hey boofhead... The last liberal govt gave you zero debt and a budget in surplus. Now another liberal govt has to clean up the mess. The current deficit is still less than almost every single Swan deficit.

Can you give actual figures?


Maria giving actual figures to backup their claims - AS IF!
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Reply #367 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 2:57am
 
I know!
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Reply #368 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 6:07am
 
21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 9:46pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 8:37pm:
mariacostel wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 3:33pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 12:32pm:
We did have one of the best economies but the Libs have taken care of that!

$375Bn net debt by 17/18, pretty crap effort.$2.3Bn deficit blowout. And the rest!


Hey boofhead... The last liberal govt gave you zero debt and a budget in surplus. Now another liberal govt has to clean up the mess. The current deficit is still less than almost every single Swan deficit.

Can you give actual figures?


Maria giving actual figures to backup their claims - AS IF!


Well as you all know everyone else just lies so we should happily just accept whatever Maria makes up.
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Reply #369 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 6:16am
 
Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016

You would think that they would install it and make it work first.

Doesn't this put us back to square one where the private company will say no we can not install it in that area there is no profit for us to do that ?

Isn't this the reason that the government got involved in the first place, because they had no control over telecommunications in Australia?
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Reply #370 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 6:26am
 
Yup. Howard sold the network with Telstra, a boneheaded decision but one that would give him more money to spend on pork and buying elections. There are still poor deluded fools who think he was a good PM but those numbers are shrinking.

So via the NBN we were buying the network back.

Now we are just making Telstra even richer. Lunacy.
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Reply #371 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:53am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 6:16am:
Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016

You would think that they would install it and make it work first.

Doesn't this put us back to square one where the private company will say no we can not install it in that area there is no profit for us to do that ?

Isn't this the reason that the government got involved in the first place, because they had no control over telecommunications in Australia?


EXACTLY RIGHT!

Because the thing hasn't even been built yet it's basically making sure we have the status quo.

That was the beauty of the original network - it took the power away from Telstra and gave a much fairer playing field to everyone.

As it is, the network should never have been sold with Telstra.
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Reply #372 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:26am
 
The old paradigm is dead: maria has only got dinosaur juice and copper internet  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #373 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:56am
 
http://www.buddeblog.com.au/frompaulsdesk/nbns-not-so-fast-g-fast/

Part of the problem is that the technology uses a much larger frequency range of signal processing bandwidth than other copper technologies over a much shorter copper length. Some of these overlap those used by commercial VDSL, so running both technologies together causes interference. Another problem is the extra power supply that is needed for the nodes that need to be deployed within this technology.

...

The problem with G.Fast is that it needs 2 copper pairs of near new copper - which 99% of Australian homes do not have.

To get it to work we need to roll out new copper lines.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/10/21/3044463.htm

And fibre optics can definitely transfer more data at higher throughput over longer distances than copper wire. For example, a local area network using modern copper lines can carry 3000 telephone calls all at once, while a similar system using fibre optics can carry over 31,000.

With copper wires you're looking at changes in the electromagnetic field, the intensity of that field and perhaps the phase of the wave being sent down a wire.

"With fibre optics, a transmitter converts electronic information into pulses of light — a pulse equates to a one, while no pulse is zero. When the signal reaches the other end, an optical receiver converts the light signal back into electronic information," explains Malaney.

The throughput of the data is determined by the frequency range that a cable will carry — the higher the frequency range, the greater the bandwidth and the more data that can be put through per unit time.

And this is the key difference — fibre optic cables have much higher bandwidths than copper cables.

"Optical fibre can carry much higher frequency ranges — note that light is a very high frequency signal — while copper wire attenuates or loses signal strength at higher frequencies," says Malaney.

Also, fibre optic technology is far less susceptible to noise and electromagnetic interference than electricity along a copper wire.

"You can send the signal for over 200 kilometres without any real loss of quality while a copper cable signal suffers a lot of degradation over that distance," says Malaney.

"Fibre optics lets you look at new applications in areas like medical examinations, government services, improved productivity, telecommuting, three-dimensional conferencing and working from home.

"Current technology is already looking at terabyte speeds and things will only get faster in the future.

"If 90 per cent of homes are connected to the NBN it will cause a paradigm shift with new ideas and innovations, things we haven't even thought about yet."

It really is a no brainer - FTTdp or FTTP is what we really need.
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Reply #374 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 11:20am
 
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"Fibre optics lets you look at new applications in areas like medical examinations, government services, improved productivity, telecommuting, three-dimensional conferencing and working from home.


All of these require FTTH.
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