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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016 Reply #375 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:25am GFast could be used with FTTDp, boost the speed in the copper tail. All fartarsing about tho. Do it once, do it right, do it with fibre. Will do a post on my NBN Facebook page later.
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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #376 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:52am

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

https://www.stateoftheinternet.com/resources-connectivity-2015-q3-state-of-the-internet-report.html

Q3 2015 is out!
Quicklist -

Australia still ranked 46th with zero changes from Q2 2015
Australia smallest peak connection speeds in Asia Pacific with 4% increase.
Australia with the smallest yearly growth rate of 16% (average was 25%)
Australia with the smallest 10Mbps adoption of 1.3%
Australia drops 2 ranks to 52nd of the 4Mbps adoption (slower rate then other countries why we dropped)
Australia drops 1 rank to 45th of the 10Mbps adoption
NBN FTTN gets a mention with may increase Australia's 15Mbps adoption

The MTM faster, sooner, cheaper option has been shown for what it is - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!

And yet we have one of the best economies in the world and one of the worlds most livable countries. Perhaps just possibly, porn download speeds are not what makes a country great.

You have once again shown you have no idea:

http://www.amta.org.au/articles/Internet.in.Australia.rivals.iron-ore.exp

The report forecasts the Internet’s contribution to Australia’s GDP will grow by around 7% a year to reach $70 billion by 2016.

'the internet'. Curiously undefined, but that is what you get used to in debates like this. But if you were brighter than you obviously are, you would realise that this 7% contribution is all done on ADSL or on businesses pre-existing (non NBN) fibre.

But how is that possible? I thought without FTTP there would be no internet economy and now by your own admission there already is... and it is working well.

Perhaps the reason is because the value is gained in BUSINESS not in RESIDENCES. And business already has it.

It's based on rolling out FTTP Maria - of course I wouldn't expect you to agree with that.

Keep holding onto Copper - when it no longer works what shall we do then?

Dont be such an obvious fool. The figures were based on the EXISTING internet infrastructure. And the reason FTTP makes so little difference is that most businesses already have it if they need it and residences generate no income.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #377 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:53am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 6:07am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 8:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 3:33pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:32pm:

We did have one of the best economies but the Libs have taken care of that!

$375Bn net debt by 17/18, pretty crap effort.$2.3Bn deficit blowout. And the rest!

Hey boofhead... The last liberal govt gave you zero debt and a budget in surplus. Now another liberal govt has to clean up the mess. The current deficit is still less than almost every single Swan deficit.

Can you give actual figures?

Maria giving actual figures to backup their claims - AS IF!

Well as you all know everyone else just lies so we should happily just accept whatever Maria makes up.

So are you going to join the pretenders and claim Swan didnt have at the time 5 of the 5 biggest deficits?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016 Reply #378 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:03pm .
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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #379 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:03pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 6:07am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 8:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 3:33pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:32pm:

We did have one of the best economies but the Libs have taken care of that!

$375Bn net debt by 17/18, pretty crap effort.$2.3Bn deficit blowout. And the rest!

Hey boofhead... The last liberal govt gave you zero debt and a budget in surplus. Now another liberal govt has to clean up the mess. The current deficit is still less than almost every single Swan deficit.

Can you give actual figures?

Maria giving actual figures to backup their claims - AS IF!

Well as you all know everyone else just lies so we should happily just accept whatever Maria makes up.

So are you going to join the pretenders and claim Swan didnt have at the time 5 of the 5 biggest deficits?

Figures please.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #380 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

https://www.stateoftheinternet.com/resources-connectivity-2015-q3-state-of-the-internet-report.html

Q3 2015 is out!
Quicklist -

Australia still ranked 46th with zero changes from Q2 2015
Australia smallest peak connection speeds in Asia Pacific with 4% increase.
Australia with the smallest yearly growth rate of 16% (average was 25%)
Australia with the smallest 10Mbps adoption of 1.3%
Australia drops 2 ranks to 52nd of the 4Mbps adoption (slower rate then other countries why we dropped)
Australia drops 1 rank to 45th of the 10Mbps adoption
NBN FTTN gets a mention with may increase Australia's 15Mbps adoption

The MTM faster, sooner, cheaper option has been shown for what it is - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!

And yet we have one of the best economies in the world and one of the worlds most livable countries. Perhaps just possibly, porn download speeds are not what makes a country great.

You have once again shown you have no idea:

http://www.amta.org.au/articles/Internet.in.Australia.rivals.iron-ore.exp

The report forecasts the Internet’s contribution to Australia’s GDP will grow by around 7% a year to reach $70 billion by 2016.

'the internet'. Curiously undefined, but that is what you get used to in debates like this. But if you were brighter than you obviously are, you would realise that this 7% contribution is all done on ADSL or on businesses pre-existing (non NBN) fibre.

But how is that possible? I thought without FTTP there would be no internet economy and now by your own admission there already is... and it is working well.

Perhaps the reason is because the value is gained in BUSINESS not in RESIDENCES. And business already has it.

It's based on rolling out FTTP Maria - of course I wouldn't expect you to agree with that.

Keep holding onto Copper - when it no longer works what shall we do then?

Dont be such an obvious fool. The figures were based on the EXISTING internet infrastructure. And the reason FTTP makes so little difference is that most businesses already have it if they need it and residences generate no income.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/8129.0Main%20Features2201...

This says otherwise Maria:

2.6% FTTP total

200 people or more - 23.9%

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #381 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

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"Fibre optics lets you look at new applications in areas like medical examinations, government services, improved productivity, telecommuting, three-dimensional conferencing and working from home.

All of these require FTTH.

Garbage. What they require is X bandwidth, delivered over whatever. Telecommuting has been done for 20 years. I did it myself LAST CENTURY. 3D conferencing adds what value to anyone and no one needs it at home, especially when it still essentially does not exist.

internet medical examinations have been well and truly mocked by the AMA. There is a reason we go to the doctors now. Good ADSL could do it now... if there was any point.

Fibre to the business, FTTN to the home. Makes perfect sense.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #382 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:13pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:20am:

Quote:

"Fibre optics lets you look at new applications in areas like medical examinations, government services, improved productivity, telecommuting, three-dimensional conferencing and working from home.

All of these require FTTH.

Garbage. What they require is X bandwidth, delivered over whatever. Telecommuting has been done for 20 years. I did it myself LAST CENTURY. 3D conferencing adds what value to anyone and no one needs it at home, especially when it still essentially does not exist.

internet medical examinations have been well and truly mocked by the AMA. There is a reason we go to the doctors now. Good ADSL could do it now... if there was any point.

Fibre to the business, FTTN to the home. Makes perfect sense.

What about those business' running from home?

What about the copper connections that are so degraded they can't get adsl/fttn?

I've also shown that your opinion about "most business' already running fttp" is absolute garbage!

Unless you backup your opinion with figures I won't be taking it seriously.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #383 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:15pm

No, copper corrodes.

ADSLx, VDSLx do not provide enough bandwidth to telecommute, the odd afternoon of working at home maybe.

No, proper, widescale adoption of telecommuting requires the sort of bandwidth only FTTH can reliably provide. The bandwidth for video calls, for collaboration on a document, for telepresence with clients, the boss etc only possible with FTTH.

Big business uses telepresence to save money and time on travelling. It is like you are there so good is the image, sound etc of the person you are talking to. Big business can do it because they are on fibre.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #384 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:19pm

You're an moron and you don't understand technology.

Are you seriously ****ing arguing that there is no economic argument for fast upload speeds from the home? no economic argument for cloud computing from the home? no economic argument for home teleconferencing?

The NBN could change the entire nature of the workforce, it could make being an independent professional in Australia actually viable, it could make home IT and other services avaliable, it could allow office workers to work from home.

Please explain how having to deal with hours upon hours of upload for small file sizes on an unstable connection is viable in the 21st century?

Upload a single portfolo, enjoy waiting hours, now imagine your an independent graphic designer needing to upload multiple 4k portfolios in a single day, enjoy watching your business fail.

You also ignore that technology is already moving quickly into 4k 60fps for streaming.

The only reason you are defending this **** policy is because you're a rusted on Liberal party shill who can't ever criticize the party that I suspect you get paid to post on forums astroturfing for.

Funny how I've never, ever once seen a Liberal party poster on this forum actually ever criticize their own party for anything.

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Reply #385 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:26pm

Hit the nail on the head with this:
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The only reason you are defending this **** policy is because you're a rusted on Liberal party shill who can't ever criticize the party that I suspect you get paid to post on forums astroturfing for.

Add he doesn’t know much and rarely posts links or figures and hands out huge amounts of abuse.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #386 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:45pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

https://www.stateoftheinternet.com/resources-connectivity-2015-q3-state-of-the-internet-report.html

Q3 2015 is out!
Quicklist -

Australia still ranked 46th with zero changes from Q2 2015
Australia smallest peak connection speeds in Asia Pacific with 4% increase.
Australia with the smallest yearly growth rate of 16% (average was 25%)
Australia with the smallest 10Mbps adoption of 1.3%
Australia drops 2 ranks to 52nd of the 4Mbps adoption (slower rate then other countries why we dropped)
Australia drops 1 rank to 45th of the 10Mbps adoption
NBN FTTN gets a mention with may increase Australia's 15Mbps adoption

The MTM faster, sooner, cheaper option has been shown for what it is - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!

And yet we have one of the best economies in the world and one of the worlds most livable countries. Perhaps just possibly, porn download speeds are not what makes a country great.

You have once again shown you have no idea:

http://www.amta.org.au/articles/Internet.in.Australia.rivals.iron-ore.exp

The report forecasts the Internet’s contribution to Australia’s GDP will grow by around 7% a year to reach $70 billion by 2016.

'the internet'. Curiously undefined, but that is what you get used to in debates like this. But if you were brighter than you obviously are, you would realise that this 7% contribution is all done on ADSL or on businesses pre-existing (non NBN) fibre.

But how is that possible? I thought without FTTP there would be no internet economy and now by your own admission there already is... and it is working well.

Perhaps the reason is because the value is gained in BUSINESS not in RESIDENCES. And business already has it.

It's based on rolling out FTTP Maria - of course I wouldn't expect you to agree with that.

Keep holding onto Copper - when it no longer works what shall we do then?

Dont be such an obvious fool. The figures were based on the EXISTING internet infrastructure. And the reason FTTP makes so little difference is that most businesses already have it if they need it and residences generate no income.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/8129.0Main%20Features2201...

This says otherwise Maria:

2.6% FTTP total

200 people or more - 23.9%

I can see that explaining ANY statistic to you will be a fool's errand. You are very obviously well out of your depth.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #387 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:49pm

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

You're an nice person and you don't understand technology.

Are you seriously ****ing arguing that there is no economic argument for fast upload speeds from the home? no economic argument for cloud computing from the home? no economic argument for home teleconferencing?

The NBN could change the entire nature of the workforce, it could make being an independent professional in Australia actually viable, it could make home IT and other services avaliable, it could allow office workers to work from home.

Please explain how having to deal with hours upon hours of upload for small file sizes on an unstable connection is viable in the 21st century?

Upload a single portfolo, enjoy waiting hours, now imagine your an independent graphic designer needing to upload multiple 4k portfolios in a single day, enjoy watching your business fail.

You also ignore that technology is already moving quickly into 4k 60fps for streaming.

The only reason you are defending this **** policy is because you're a rusted on Liberal party shill who can't ever criticize the party that I suspect you get paid to post on forums astroturfing for.

Funny how I've never, ever once seen a Liberal party poster on this forum actually ever criticize their own party for anything.

Yes I am. The home is NOT an economic powerhouse. For the home-based business, most need web and email and little more. Those that do need more can get fibre to their house as a legitimate needs-based tax deduction. You have repeatedly talked about 2Gb uploads multiple times a day despite that being virtually unheard of in a home. And being someone who has actually worked from home, teleconferenced and even used graphic designers, you are positing a pile of BS.

If you NEED fibre then pay to be connected as it would be both tax deductible and needed. If all you want is the fasted 'whatever' for your home, then again, pay for it and stop expecting the tax payer to cover the cost.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #388 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:49pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

Hit the nail on the head with this:
Quote:

The only reason you are defending this **** policy is because you're a rusted on Liberal party shill who can't ever criticize the party that I suspect you get paid to post on forums astroturfing for.

Add he doesn’t know much and rarely posts links or figures and hands out huge amounts of abuse.

You are not one to tlak. I can and DO post links, but not to you because you never return the favour and you lie like no one Ive encountered before.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016 Reply #389 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:54pm No links, no details just abuse.
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