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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #390 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 1:58pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

https://www.stateoftheinternet.com/resources-connectivity-2015-q3-state-of-the-internet-report.html

Q3 2015 is out!
Quicklist -

Australia still ranked 46th with zero changes from Q2 2015
Australia smallest peak connection speeds in Asia Pacific with 4% increase.
Australia with the smallest yearly growth rate of 16% (average was 25%)
Australia with the smallest 10Mbps adoption of 1.3%
Australia drops 2 ranks to 52nd of the 4Mbps adoption (slower rate then other countries why we dropped)
Australia drops 1 rank to 45th of the 10Mbps adoption
NBN FTTN gets a mention with may increase Australia's 15Mbps adoption

The MTM faster, sooner, cheaper option has been shown for what it is - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!

And yet we have one of the best economies in the world and one of the worlds most livable countries. Perhaps just possibly, porn download speeds are not what makes a country great.

You have once again shown you have no idea:

http://www.amta.org.au/articles/Internet.in.Australia.rivals.iron-ore.exp

The report forecasts the Internet’s contribution to Australia’s GDP will grow by around 7% a year to reach $70 billion by 2016.

'the internet'. Curiously undefined, but that is what you get used to in debates like this. But if you were brighter than you obviously are, you would realise that this 7% contribution is all done on ADSL or on businesses pre-existing (non NBN) fibre.

But how is that possible? I thought without FTTP there would be no internet economy and now by your own admission there already is... and it is working well.

Perhaps the reason is because the value is gained in BUSINESS not in RESIDENCES. And business already has it.

It's based on rolling out FTTP Maria - of course I wouldn't expect you to agree with that.

Keep holding onto Copper - when it no longer works what shall we do then?

Dont be such an obvious fool. The figures were based on the EXISTING internet infrastructure. And the reason FTTP makes so little difference is that most businesses already have it if they need it and residences generate no income.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/8129.0Main%20Features2201...

This says otherwise Maria:

2.6% FTTP total

200 people or more - 23.9%

I can see that explaining ANY statistic to you will be a fool's errand. You are very obviously well out of your depth.

2.6% of all business' currently use a FTTP connection - this isn't even close to a majority - which you have claimed previously.

You have provided nothing to backup your claim and are either trolling, out of your depth or being disingenuous on purpose.

You accuse me of being out of my depth and yet offer nothing to backup your own position/opinion.

You never have provided anything and never will and will only go on your gut feel and what you feel is needed - not actually what is needed.

You are not the expert on this area (either am I) but I have provided figures which prove that what you have said is wrong.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75126 Gender:	Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016 Reply #391 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 2:01pm mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:49pm: I can and DO post links,
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21st Century Dialup Network Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 399 Brisbane Gender:	Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016 Reply #394 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 2:29pm When has Maria posted a link to support their opinion? I can't remember it. All they do is call people boofheads and such.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75126 Gender:	Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016 Reply #395 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 2:31pm 21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 2:29pm: When has Maria posted a link to support their opinion? you should never use 'Maria' and 'link' together in the same sentence (unless you are asking for a link which is a complete waste of time) ... never shall the two meet
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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #396 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 2:39pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 2:29pm:

When has Maria posted a link to support their opinion?

you should never use 'Maria' and 'link' together in the same sentence (unless you are asking for a link which is a complete waste of time) ... never shall the two meet

Maria has an excellent alternative to a link - it is called abuse and it is much more fun.

Besides there are no links to things you randomly make up.

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21st Century Dialup Network Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 399 Brisbane Gender:	Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016 Reply #397 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 2:54pm
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21st Century Dialup Network Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 399 Brisbane Gender:	Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016 Reply #398 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 3:14pm https://scontent-syd1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12342693_10153831400256528_2247378886701455636_n.jpgoh=0c20087327660fbba3b1c09aa56de278&oe=571F193D This is the well maintained and non degraded network we've just paid $11 billion for! Good Job Malcolm!
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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #399 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 4:42pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

https://www.stateoftheinternet.com/resources-connectivity-2015-q3-state-of-the-internet-report.html

Q3 2015 is out!
Quicklist -

Australia still ranked 46th with zero changes from Q2 2015
Australia smallest peak connection speeds in Asia Pacific with 4% increase.
Australia with the smallest yearly growth rate of 16% (average was 25%)
Australia with the smallest 10Mbps adoption of 1.3%
Australia drops 2 ranks to 52nd of the 4Mbps adoption (slower rate then other countries why we dropped)
Australia drops 1 rank to 45th of the 10Mbps adoption
NBN FTTN gets a mention with may increase Australia's 15Mbps adoption

The MTM faster, sooner, cheaper option has been shown for what it is - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!

And yet we have one of the best economies in the world and one of the worlds most livable countries. Perhaps just possibly, porn download speeds are not what makes a country great.

You have once again shown you have no idea:

http://www.amta.org.au/articles/Internet.in.Australia.rivals.iron-ore.exp

The report forecasts the Internet’s contribution to Australia’s GDP will grow by around 7% a year to reach $70 billion by 2016.

'the internet'. Curiously undefined, but that is what you get used to in debates like this. But if you were brighter than you obviously are, you would realise that this 7% contribution is all done on ADSL or on businesses pre-existing (non NBN) fibre.

But how is that possible? I thought without FTTP there would be no internet economy and now by your own admission there already is... and it is working well.

Perhaps the reason is because the value is gained in BUSINESS not in RESIDENCES. And business already has it.

It's based on rolling out FTTP Maria - of course I wouldn't expect you to agree with that.

Keep holding onto Copper - when it no longer works what shall we do then?

Dont be such an obvious fool. The figures were based on the EXISTING internet infrastructure. And the reason FTTP makes so little difference is that most businesses already have it if they need it and residences generate no income.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/8129.0Main%20Features2201...

This says otherwise Maria:

2.6% FTTP total

200 people or more - 23.9%

I can see that explaining ANY statistic to you will be a fool's errand. You are very obviously well out of your depth.

2.6% of all business' currently use a FTTP connection - this isn't even close to a majority - which you have claimed previously.

You have provided nothing to backup your claim and are either trolling, out of your depth or being disingenuous on purpose.

You accuse me of being out of my depth and yet offer nothing to backup your own position/opinion.

You never have provided anything and never will and will only go on your gut feel and what you feel is needed - not actually what is needed.

You are not the expert on this area (either am I) but I have provided figures which prove that what you have said is wrong.

Hey fool.. Do you think the ANZ bank was on ADSL until NBN? They and other large businesses have been on leased fibire connections for many many years. ANZ isnt an internode customer. BHP are not an ii net customer. Fiber connections (and backbone) did not arrive with the NBN. I said a majotiy of business was on FIBRE, not FTTP. Leanr the subtle but powerful difference.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #400 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 4:47pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 4:42pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

https://www.stateoftheinternet.com/resources-connectivity-2015-q3-state-of-the-internet-report.html

Q3 2015 is out!
Quicklist -

Australia still ranked 46th with zero changes from Q2 2015
Australia smallest peak connection speeds in Asia Pacific with 4% increase.
Australia with the smallest yearly growth rate of 16% (average was 25%)
Australia with the smallest 10Mbps adoption of 1.3%
Australia drops 2 ranks to 52nd of the 4Mbps adoption (slower rate then other countries why we dropped)
Australia drops 1 rank to 45th of the 10Mbps adoption
NBN FTTN gets a mention with may increase Australia's 15Mbps adoption

The MTM faster, sooner, cheaper option has been shown for what it is - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!

And yet we have one of the best economies in the world and one of the worlds most livable countries. Perhaps just possibly, porn download speeds are not what makes a country great.

You have once again shown you have no idea:

http://www.amta.org.au/articles/Internet.in.Australia.rivals.iron-ore.exp

The report forecasts the Internet’s contribution to Australia’s GDP will grow by around 7% a year to reach $70 billion by 2016.

'the internet'. Curiously undefined, but that is what you get used to in debates like this. But if you were brighter than you obviously are, you would realise that this 7% contribution is all done on ADSL or on businesses pre-existing (non NBN) fibre.

But how is that possible? I thought without FTTP there would be no internet economy and now by your own admission there already is... and it is working well.

Perhaps the reason is because the value is gained in BUSINESS not in RESIDENCES. And business already has it.

It's based on rolling out FTTP Maria - of course I wouldn't expect you to agree with that.

Keep holding onto Copper - when it no longer works what shall we do then?

Dont be such an obvious fool. The figures were based on the EXISTING internet infrastructure. And the reason FTTP makes so little difference is that most businesses already have it if they need it and residences generate no income.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/8129.0Main%20Features2201...

This says otherwise Maria:

2.6% FTTP total

200 people or more - 23.9%

I can see that explaining ANY statistic to you will be a fool's errand. You are very obviously well out of your depth.

2.6% of all business' currently use a FTTP connection - this isn't even close to a majority - which you have claimed previously.

You have provided nothing to backup your claim and are either trolling, out of your depth or being disingenuous on purpose.

You accuse me of being out of my depth and yet offer nothing to backup your own position/opinion.

You never have provided anything and never will and will only go on your gut feel and what you feel is needed - not actually what is needed.

You are not the expert on this area (either am I) but I have provided figures which prove that what you have said is wrong.

Hey fool.. Do you think the ANZ bank was on ADSL until NBN? They and other large businesses have been on leased fibire connections for many many years. ANZ isnt an internode customer. BHP are not an ii net customer. Fiber connections (and backbone) did not arrive with the NBN. I said a majotiy of business was on FIBRE, not FTTP. Leanr the subtle but powerful difference.

You are resorting to name calling - which proves my point!

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #401 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 4:53pm

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 4:42pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

https://www.stateoftheinternet.com/resources-connectivity-2015-q3-state-of-the-internet-report.html

Q3 2015 is out!
Quicklist -

Australia still ranked 46th with zero changes from Q2 2015
Australia smallest peak connection speeds in Asia Pacific with 4% increase.
Australia with the smallest yearly growth rate of 16% (average was 25%)
Australia with the smallest 10Mbps adoption of 1.3%
Australia drops 2 ranks to 52nd of the 4Mbps adoption (slower rate then other countries why we dropped)
Australia drops 1 rank to 45th of the 10Mbps adoption
NBN FTTN gets a mention with may increase Australia's 15Mbps adoption

The MTM faster, sooner, cheaper option has been shown for what it is - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!

And yet we have one of the best economies in the world and one of the worlds most livable countries. Perhaps just possibly, porn download speeds are not what makes a country great.

You have once again shown you have no idea:

http://www.amta.org.au/articles/Internet.in.Australia.rivals.iron-ore.exp

The report forecasts the Internet’s contribution to Australia’s GDP will grow by around 7% a year to reach $70 billion by 2016.

'the internet'. Curiously undefined, but that is what you get used to in debates like this. But if you were brighter than you obviously are, you would realise that this 7% contribution is all done on ADSL or on businesses pre-existing (non NBN) fibre.

But how is that possible? I thought without FTTP there would be no internet economy and now by your own admission there already is... and it is working well.

Perhaps the reason is because the value is gained in BUSINESS not in RESIDENCES. And business already has it.

It's based on rolling out FTTP Maria - of course I wouldn't expect you to agree with that.

Keep holding onto Copper - when it no longer works what shall we do then?

Dont be such an obvious fool. The figures were based on the EXISTING internet infrastructure. And the reason FTTP makes so little difference is that most businesses already have it if they need it and residences generate no income.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/8129.0Main%20Features2201...

This says otherwise Maria:

2.6% FTTP total

200 people or more - 23.9%

I can see that explaining ANY statistic to you will be a fool's errand. You are very obviously well out of your depth.

2.6% of all business' currently use a FTTP connection - this isn't even close to a majority - which you have claimed previously.

You have provided nothing to backup your claim and are either trolling, out of your depth or being disingenuous on purpose.

You accuse me of being out of my depth and yet offer nothing to backup your own position/opinion.

You never have provided anything and never will and will only go on your gut feel and what you feel is needed - not actually what is needed.

You are not the expert on this area (either am I) but I have provided figures which prove that what you have said is wrong.

Hey fool.. Do you think the ANZ bank was on ADSL until NBN? They and other large businesses have been on leased fibire connections for many many years. ANZ isnt an internode customer. BHP are not an ii net customer. Fiber connections (and backbone) did not arrive with the NBN. I said a majotiy of business was on FIBRE, not FTTP. Leanr the subtle but powerful difference.

You are resorting to name calling - which proves my point!

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So once again, you surrender.

You are really not very good at this.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #402 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 4:56pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 4:42pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 12:09pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 12:29pm:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

https://www.stateoftheinternet.com/resources-connectivity-2015-q3-state-of-the-internet-report.html

Q3 2015 is out!
Quicklist -

Australia still ranked 46th with zero changes from Q2 2015
Australia smallest peak connection speeds in Asia Pacific with 4% increase.
Australia with the smallest yearly growth rate of 16% (average was 25%)
Australia with the smallest 10Mbps adoption of 1.3%
Australia drops 2 ranks to 52nd of the 4Mbps adoption (slower rate then other countries why we dropped)
Australia drops 1 rank to 45th of the 10Mbps adoption
NBN FTTN gets a mention with may increase Australia's 15Mbps adoption

The MTM faster, sooner, cheaper option has been shown for what it is - ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!

And yet we have one of the best economies in the world and one of the worlds most livable countries. Perhaps just possibly, porn download speeds are not what makes a country great.

You have once again shown you have no idea:

http://www.amta.org.au/articles/Internet.in.Australia.rivals.iron-ore.exp

The report forecasts the Internet’s contribution to Australia’s GDP will grow by around 7% a year to reach $70 billion by 2016.

'the internet'. Curiously undefined, but that is what you get used to in debates like this. But if you were brighter than you obviously are, you would realise that this 7% contribution is all done on ADSL or on businesses pre-existing (non NBN) fibre.

But how is that possible? I thought without FTTP there would be no internet economy and now by your own admission there already is... and it is working well.

Perhaps the reason is because the value is gained in BUSINESS not in RESIDENCES. And business already has it.

It's based on rolling out FTTP Maria - of course I wouldn't expect you to agree with that.

Keep holding onto Copper - when it no longer works what shall we do then?

Dont be such an obvious fool. The figures were based on the EXISTING internet infrastructure. And the reason FTTP makes so little difference is that most businesses already have it if they need it and residences generate no income.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/8129.0Main%20Features2201...

This says otherwise Maria:

2.6% FTTP total

200 people or more - 23.9%

I can see that explaining ANY statistic to you will be a fool's errand. You are very obviously well out of your depth.

2.6% of all business' currently use a FTTP connection - this isn't even close to a majority - which you have claimed previously.

You have provided nothing to backup your claim and are either trolling, out of your depth or being disingenuous on purpose.

You accuse me of being out of my depth and yet offer nothing to backup your own position/opinion.

You never have provided anything and never will and will only go on your gut feel and what you feel is needed - not actually what is needed.

You are not the expert on this area (either am I) but I have provided figures which prove that what you have said is wrong.

Hey fool.. Do you think the ANZ bank was on ADSL until NBN? They and other large businesses have been on leased fibire connections for many many years. ANZ isnt an internode customer. BHP are not an ii net customer. Fiber connections (and backbone) did not arrive with the NBN. I said a majotiy of business was on FIBRE, not FTTP. Leanr the subtle but powerful difference.

You are resorting to name calling - which proves my point!

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So once again, you surrender.

You are really not very good at this.

ROFL - you still haven't provided anything to support your position.

You said most business' are using fiber - you didn't say as backhaul as every backhaul is fibre (DIR).

My stats prove your wrong and you've resorted to name calling.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016 Reply #403 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 5:14pm Most BIG businesses are using fibre, doesn’t mean most businesses. Oh dear, big business is on fibre but not FTTP. silly Longy thinks big business is on FTTN or FTTB. They are on FTTH or we can call it FTTP(remises.)
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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #404 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 6:12pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 4:42pm:

I said a majotiy of business was on FIBRE, not FTTP. Leanr the subtle but powerful difference.

OH I see they are on fibre connected to the premises and not FTTP, there is obviously a big difference.

Does it seem that many companies had to jump ahead of the comms networks to get the standard of service they needed ?

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