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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #60 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:21pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

The NBN would already be seeing an increase in GDP (it could do with it, 2.5% is riculously low) employment and exports.

How will the NBN increase exports?

Because creative industries will be able to accept jobs then send the file off to the client without having to wait a week for the video of an ad or other content. Now we have people moving their business to NZ or other areas where the govt doesn’t handicap its economy!

We could also be selling other services, education say IF we could upload big data files quickly. ADSL, VDSL just do not cut the mustard!

There are companies, in the Murrumbidgie IA and other rural areas where even big producers cannot properly track their shipments past farm or factory gate. With a proper communications network they could track the shipments and look for more lucrative markets.

In the main NBN thread, back a ways, I posted extracts of Hansard of the Estimates Committee on the NBN. There was lots of testimony supporting all I have said. Rural areas, rural councils were among the most gung ho for the NBN! Hell, Barnaby and Nash, back when Howard was PM, designed something very similar to the NBN.

So the man on the land is one of the groups most let down by the bloody Libs and Nats!

The copper is clapped out and cannot help our

The average ADSL speed is 12Mbps. The max NBD is 100Mbs - a mere 8 times the speed. if a file is taking a week then it would still take a day. The trouble is that your claim is rubbish. If anyone had need for such speed they would already have fibre as you can actually pay for it and get it now and have for a long time. Do you think the banks run on adsl??

You really are the village VERY Nice Person of this board aren’t you?

ATM the max speed is 1Gbps.

The things I mentioned that would benefit the economy depend on UPLOAD speed. 40mbps for the 100:40 speed band, 400mbps for the 1Gbps speed band.

At 40mbps a file that takes 8 hours to upload would take 12 minutes. We absolutely need FTTH.

Not mentioning the much greater reliability of fibre, its lower maintenance cost and it MUCH lower power requirements.

The industries I mentioned are not banks.

Buy the way, Village Nice Person, due to Netflix and the streaming video it sells my ADSL2 has dropped from 20 to under 7mbps. So we absolutely do NEED the NBN, copper just cannot handle normal present needs.

Now, a bank head office in a CBD undoubtedly has FTTH to it. How about its branches in the suburbs and regions?

Both you and Green_splits are pathetic in your defence of the sellouts that are your Party of choice.

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #61 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:43pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:21pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

The NBN would already be seeing an increase in GDP (it could do with it, 2.5% is riculously low) employment and exports.

How will the NBN increase exports?

Because creative industries will be able to accept jobs then send the file off to the client without having to wait a week for the video of an ad or other content. Now we have people moving their business to NZ or other areas where the govt doesn’t handicap its economy!

We could also be selling other services, education say IF we could upload big data files quickly. ADSL, VDSL just do not cut the mustard!

There are companies, in the Murrumbidgie IA and other rural areas where even big producers cannot properly track their shipments past farm or factory gate. With a proper communications network they could track the shipments and look for more lucrative markets.

In the main NBN thread, back a ways, I posted extracts of Hansard of the Estimates Committee on the NBN. There was lots of testimony supporting all I have said. Rural areas, rural councils were among the most gung ho for the NBN! Hell, Barnaby and Nash, back when Howard was PM, designed something very similar to the NBN.

So the man on the land is one of the groups most let down by the bloody Libs and Nats!

The copper is clapped out and cannot help our

The average ADSL speed is 12Mbps. The max NBD is 100Mbs - a mere 8 times the speed. if a file is taking a week then it would still take a day. The trouble is that your claim is rubbish. If anyone had need for such speed they would already have fibre as you can actually pay for it and get it now and have for a long time. Do you think the banks run on adsl??

You really are the village VERY Nice Person of this board aren’t you?

ATM the max speed is 1Gbps.

The things I mentioned that would benefit the economy depend on UPLOAD speed. 40mbps for the 100:40 speed band, 400mbps for the 1Gbps speed band.

At 40mbps a file that takes 8 hours to upload would take 12 minutes. We absolutely need FTTH.

Not mentioning the much greater reliability of fibre, its lower maintenance cost and it MUCH lower power requirements.

The industries I mentioned are not banks.

Buy the way, Village Nice Person, due to Netflix and the streaming video it sells my ADSL2 has dropped from 20 to under 7mbps. So we absolutely do NEED the NBN, copper just cannot handle normal present needs.

Now, a bank head office in a CBD undoubtedly has FTTH to it. How about its branches in the suburbs and regions?

Both you and Green_splits are pathetic in your defence of the sellouts that are your Party of choice.

Yes, twit. Banks have FTTP, But they PAY for it. They NEED it. you need neither.

Who routinely uploads a 2.4Gb file? If your business needs that then get fibre yourself and pay for it you lazy sod.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #63 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 8:06pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:54pm:

Okay, I need educating on the basic facts here. 'Maria'....how about you explain to me in simple terms who owns what, at what cost did they acquire it, and who is it being sold to, and for how much and on what terms?

You always need educating on basic facts. Not our problem you are so ignorant and ill-informed.

Well, come on. Tell me. I'm all eyes.

Come orn, 'Maria,' dazzle us with your knowledge. This is your moment in the Sun. I really hope you can dumb it down for me, and probably a few others as well.

'Maria?' You going to explain it to us, or not? You do know what you are debating? If 'yes,'....please tell us in plain terms.

Or, just say, "No, I have no idea," and that'll be just as good.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #64 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #65 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #66 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:19am

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

The NBN would already be seeing an increase in GDP (it could do with it, 2.5% is riculously low) employment and exports.

How will the NBN increase exports?

Because creative industries will be able to accept jobs then send the file off to the client without having to wait a week for the video of an ad or other content. Now we have people moving their business to NZ or other areas where the govt doesn’t handicap its economy!

We could also be selling other services, education say IF we could upload big data files quickly. ADSL, VDSL just do not cut the mustard!

There are companies, in the Murrumbidgie IA and other rural areas where even big producers cannot properly track their shipments past farm or factory gate. With a proper communications network they could track the shipments and look for more lucrative markets.

In the main NBN thread, back a ways, I posted extracts of Hansard of the Estimates Committee on the NBN. There was lots of testimony supporting all I have said. Rural areas, rural councils were among the most gung ho for the NBN! Hell, Barnaby and Nash, back when Howard was PM, designed something very similar to the NBN.

So the man on the land is one of the groups most let down by the bloody Libs and Nats!

The copper is clapped out and cannot help our

How is faster fibre supposed to help farmers? Does it make crops grow faster? Rain more? Will it improve seed quality?

Other than getting your porn faster, why do you want it?

Farmers that are on the NBN use it for all sort of things, tracking the movement of stock, monitoring ripeness, soil moisture monitoring etc.

They can also track movement of produce past the farm or factory gate, take advantage of price differences in different markets etc.

What waffle. How does internet 'monitor ripeness' or soil moisture? Everything you wrote was nonsense - as is usually is.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #67 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:40am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

Yes, twit. Banks have FTTP, But they PAY for it. They NEED it. you need neither.

Who routinely uploads a 2.4Gb file? If your business needs that then get fibre yourself and pay for it you lazy sod.

If you want to use rail, roads, hospitals etc for private/business use you should be charged per use - see how that works!

It's nation building infrastructure and should be funded by the government.

Private enterprise has had 20 years and done nothing!

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #68 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:42am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

The NBN would already be seeing an increase in GDP (it could do with it, 2.5% is riculously low) employment and exports.

How will the NBN increase exports?

Because creative industries will be able to accept jobs then send the file off to the client without having to wait a week for the video of an ad or other content. Now we have people moving their business to NZ or other areas where the govt doesn’t handicap its economy!

We could also be selling other services, education say IF we could upload big data files quickly. ADSL, VDSL just do not cut the mustard!

There are companies, in the Murrumbidgie IA and other rural areas where even big producers cannot properly track their shipments past farm or factory gate. With a proper communications network they could track the shipments and look for more lucrative markets.

In the main NBN thread, back a ways, I posted extracts of Hansard of the Estimates Committee on the NBN. There was lots of testimony supporting all I have said. Rural areas, rural councils were among the most gung ho for the NBN! Hell, Barnaby and Nash, back when Howard was PM, designed something very similar to the NBN.

So the man on the land is one of the groups most let down by the bloody Libs and Nats!

The copper is clapped out and cannot help our

How is faster fibre supposed to help farmers? Does it make crops grow faster? Rain more? Will it improve seed quality?

Other than getting your porn faster, why do you want it?

Farmers that are on the NBN use it for all sort of things, tracking the movement of stock, monitoring ripeness, soil moisture monitoring etc.

They can also track movement of produce past the farm or factory gate, take advantage of price differences in different markets etc.

What waffle. How does internet 'monitor ripeness' or soil moisture? Everything you wrote was nonsense - as is usually is.

You have no visions - being an LNP shill it's not surprising.

Sensors in the ground can send data back via the internet.

They could also analyse past data to work out what might happen in the future.

Talk about having no imagination

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #69 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:48am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

A lot of ifs, buts and maybes in that report. I guess what horrifies some of you is the idea that if you want fibre from the node to your home you might have to *shock horror* PAY FOR IT!

I think I will wait until there is an actual proposal on the table before getting all bent out of shape of a possible, maybe one-day perhaps sale.

No. What horrifies me is giving Telstra effectively yet another monopoly.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #70 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #71 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:25am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

i was talking to mi cunada the other day and she reckons they don't want the mexicans(who she agrees have their baddddddddddddddddddd eggs Roll Eyes

) to have the super upload and download available to the world today... but she still reckons we are a joke in Australia and mexicans all laugh at our telecommunications girth: she lived here for six years so she actually does know it's a joke!

Mexico laughs at us... this is all documented fact and mal-net is becoming self-aware to the fact it isn't wanted and hates itself.

lookout: mal-net is about to get really unproductive and start drinking too much and stuff Roll Eyes

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #72 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:42am

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

The NBN would already be seeing an increase in GDP (it could do with it, 2.5% is riculously low) employment and exports.

How will the NBN increase exports?

Because creative industries will be able to accept jobs then send the file off to the client without having to wait a week for the video of an ad or other content. Now we have people moving their business to NZ or other areas where the govt doesn’t handicap its economy!

We could also be selling other services, education say IF we could upload big data files quickly. ADSL, VDSL just do not cut the mustard!

There are companies, in the Murrumbidgie IA and other rural areas where even big producers cannot properly track their shipments past farm or factory gate. With a proper communications network they could track the shipments and look for more lucrative markets.

In the main NBN thread, back a ways, I posted extracts of Hansard of the Estimates Committee on the NBN. There was lots of testimony supporting all I have said. Rural areas, rural councils were among the most gung ho for the NBN! Hell, Barnaby and Nash, back when Howard was PM, designed something very similar to the NBN.

So the man on the land is one of the groups most let down by the bloody Libs and Nats!

The copper is clapped out and cannot help our

How is faster fibre supposed to help farmers? Does it make crops grow faster? Rain more? Will it improve seed quality?

Other than getting your porn faster, why do you want it?

Farmers that are on the NBN use it for all sort of things, tracking the movement of stock, monitoring ripeness, soil moisture monitoring etc.

They can also track movement of produce past the farm or factory gate, take advantage of price differences in different markets etc.

What waffle. How does internet 'monitor ripeness' or soil moisture? Everything you wrote was nonsense - as is usually is.

You have no visions - being an LNP shill it's not surprising.

Sensors in the ground can send data back via the internet.

They could also analyse past data to work out what might happen in the future.

Talk about having no imagination

http://www.esolar.com/products/control-and-simulation/

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #73 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:09am

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

The NBN would already be seeing an increase in GDP (it could do with it, 2.5% is riculously low) employment and exports.

How will the NBN increase exports?

Because creative industries will be able to accept jobs then send the file off to the client without having to wait a week for the video of an ad or other content. Now we have people moving their business to NZ or other areas where the govt doesn’t handicap its economy!

We could also be selling other services, education say IF we could upload big data files quickly. ADSL, VDSL just do not cut the mustard!

There are companies, in the Murrumbidgie IA and other rural areas where even big producers cannot properly track their shipments past farm or factory gate. With a proper communications network they could track the shipments and look for more lucrative markets.

In the main NBN thread, back a ways, I posted extracts of Hansard of the Estimates Committee on the NBN. There was lots of testimony supporting all I have said. Rural areas, rural councils were among the most gung ho for the NBN! Hell, Barnaby and Nash, back when Howard was PM, designed something very similar to the NBN.

So the man on the land is one of the groups most let down by the bloody Libs and Nats!

The copper is clapped out and cannot help our

How is faster fibre supposed to help farmers? Does it make crops grow faster? Rain more? Will it improve seed quality?

Other than getting your porn faster, why do you want it?

Farmers that are on the NBN use it for all sort of things, tracking the movement of stock, monitoring ripeness, soil moisture monitoring etc.

They can also track movement of produce past the farm or factory gate, take advantage of price differences in different markets etc.

What waffle. How does internet 'monitor ripeness' or soil moisture? Everything you wrote was nonsense - as is usually is.

You have no visions - being an LNP shill it's not surprising.

Sensors in the ground can send data back via the internet.

They could also analyse past data to work out what might happen in the future.

Talk about having no imagination

And you think farmers dont drive around their farms and keep rain guages and irrigation meters etc? How did they ever grow food without the internet?

The point is that the NBN isnt necessary for farmers to become more productive. What bandwidth do you think is needed by a moisture sensor? 50Mb/s?

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #74 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:10am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

Britain already has one.

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