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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #75 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:11am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

You claimed China has 1G internet. Where exactly? Much of china outside of the cities is yet to get the telephone and sealed roads.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #76 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:18am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

Britain already has one.

And gradually moving to fttp.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #77 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:18am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

A lot of ifs, buts and maybes in that report. I guess what horrifies some of you is the idea that if you want fibre from the node to your home you might have to *shock horror* PAY FOR IT!

I think I will wait until there is an actual proposal on the table before getting all bent out of shape of a possible, maybe one-day perhaps sale.

There will be no FOD because there is insufficient fibre to the node.

You overlook all the benefits of the NBN to the economy.

And you overstate the benefits... as does everyone else.

The benefits I stated are all well supported. Find the main NBN thread, or go to aph.gov.au, and read the extensive Hansard extracts I posted there.

The real NBN would not have cost the taxpayer much at all, NBN Co would have raised funds. The multi tiers allow a bigger ARPU so the NBN would have paid for itself.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #78 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:18am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:09am:

21st Century Dialup Network wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

The NBN would already be seeing an increase in GDP (it could do with it, 2.5% is riculously low) employment and exports.

How will the NBN increase exports?

Because creative industries will be able to accept jobs then send the file off to the client without having to wait a week for the video of an ad or other content. Now we have people moving their business to NZ or other areas where the govt doesn’t handicap its economy!

We could also be selling other services, education say IF we could upload big data files quickly. ADSL, VDSL just do not cut the mustard!

There are companies, in the Murrumbidgie IA and other rural areas where even big producers cannot properly track their shipments past farm or factory gate. With a proper communications network they could track the shipments and look for more lucrative markets.

In the main NBN thread, back a ways, I posted extracts of Hansard of the Estimates Committee on the NBN. There was lots of testimony supporting all I have said. Rural areas, rural councils were among the most gung ho for the NBN! Hell, Barnaby and Nash, back when Howard was PM, designed something very similar to the NBN.

So the man on the land is one of the groups most let down by the bloody Libs and Nats!

The copper is clapped out and cannot help our

How is faster fibre supposed to help farmers? Does it make crops grow faster? Rain more? Will it improve seed quality?

Other than getting your porn faster, why do you want it?

Farmers that are on the NBN use it for all sort of things, tracking the movement of stock, monitoring ripeness, soil moisture monitoring etc.

They can also track movement of produce past the farm or factory gate, take advantage of price differences in different markets etc.

What waffle. How does internet 'monitor ripeness' or soil moisture? Everything you wrote was nonsense - as is usually is.

You have no visions - being an LNP shill it's not surprising.

Sensors in the ground can send data back via the internet.

They could also analyse past data to work out what might happen in the future.

Talk about having no imagination

And you think farmers dont drive around their farms and keep rain guages and irrigation meters etc? How did they ever grow food without the internet?

The point is that the NBN isnt necessary for farmers to become more productive. What bandwidth do you think is needed by a moisture sensor? 50Mb/s?

The point is the world is competitive.

Did they have sattelites directing farm machinery 50 years ago?

You do believe in market forces don't you?

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #79 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:20am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

Britain already has one.

And gradually moving to fttp.

NZ ditched FTTN for FTTP, so did Verizon and AT&T etc. Only WE are stupid enough to waste time and money on a mish mash of obsolete technology, over $100Bn before it is finished and THEN we will run out FTTH. CRAZY!

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #80 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:21am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

Britain already has one.

..but are they still rolling it out?

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #81 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:22am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

You claimed China has 1G internet. Where exactly? Much of china outside of the cities is yet to get the telephone and sealed roads.

Having just spent 3 weeks in the country, Tianjin to Guilin & everything in between, as usual our asian neighbours are so far ahead of us technology wise it is pitiful.

Sure you are correct, some places have no phone or sealed roads, they would be the upper northern China on the border of Mongolia.

Much like Gingerah WA 6725

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #82 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:27am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:23pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

The NBN would already be seeing an increase in GDP (it could do with it, 2.5% is riculously low) employment and exports.

How will the NBN increase exports?

Because creative industries will be able to accept jobs then send the file off to the client without having to wait a week for the video of an ad or other content. Now we have people moving their business to NZ or other areas where the govt doesn’t handicap its economy!

We could also be selling other services, education say IF we could upload big data files quickly. ADSL, VDSL just do not cut the mustard!

There are companies, in the Murrumbidgie IA and other rural areas where even big producers cannot properly track their shipments past farm or factory gate. With a proper communications network they could track the shipments and look for more lucrative markets.

In the main NBN thread, back a ways, I posted extracts of Hansard of the Estimates Committee on the NBN. There was lots of testimony supporting all I have said. Rural areas, rural councils were among the most gung ho for the NBN! Hell, Barnaby and Nash, back when Howard was PM, designed something very similar to the NBN.

So the man on the land is one of the groups most let down by the bloody Libs and Nats!

The copper is clapped out and cannot help our

How is faster fibre supposed to help farmers? Does it make crops grow faster? Rain more? Will it improve seed quality?

Other than getting your porn faster, why do you want it?

Farmers that are on the NBN use it for all sort of things, tracking the movement of stock, monitoring ripeness, soil moisture monitoring etc.

They can also track movement of produce past the farm or factory gate, take advantage of price differences in different markets etc.

What waffle. How does internet 'monitor ripeness' or soil moisture? Everything you wrote was nonsense - as is usually is.

EVERYTHING I wrote is straight out of the Hansard of the NBN committee as recorded here. I harp once again on the facts:

1. It was Sens Barnaby & Nash who first came up with a design very similar to the real NBN.

2. Rural councils were very gung ho about the real NBN, rural councils not slated to get FTTH were negotiating with NBN to contribute to the cost of bringing FTTH to their ratepayers.

3. Even big producers in the Murrumbidgee IA could not track their porduce past farm or factory gate.

4. The uses farmers are ALREADY putting their NBN connection to are as I described and are in the Hansard.

I am right and you are wrong and looking bloody silly keeping this argument going!

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #83 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:31am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

You claimed China has 1G internet. Where exactly? Much of china outside of the cities is yet to get the telephone and sealed roads.

Having just spent 3 weeks in the country, Tianjin to Guilin & everything in between, as usual our asian neighbours are so far ahead of us technology wise it is pitiful.

Sure you are correct, some places have no phone or sealed roads, they would be the upper northern China on the border of Mongolia.

Much like Gingerah WA 6725

maria can't comprehend that the richest guy in the world was a mexican: mexicans laugh at our internet(and mathematical levels at high school but that's another embarrassing story for another day) and they can't even flush toilet paper and put it in a bin next to the toilet to throw out with general rubbish Cheesy

This country has become a global joke and .....IT'S AN OLD JOKE NOW Cheesy

YAY: GO THE CLEVER COUNTRY THAT IS TALKING ABOUT INNOVATION VIA A SHYSTER MERCHANT PRIME-MINISTER ONLY KNOWN FOR HIS PUNCTUATED HOP ON CAMERA... oh, and the embarrassment of giving us copper internet in the asian century we built!

** bring on the royal commission i say Cheesy

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #85 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:36am

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Pay no attention to longie. He still thinks offline rich client systems are better.

The libs are bugger*'d. They have a history of being shysters and Malcolm isn't even trying to hide it Cheesy

They are all so upset he isn't even trying to hide it Cheesy

DID I JUST SAY THAT... OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS Wink

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #86 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:48am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

Britain already has one.

That is the point - it was perfectly appropriate to install 2007 technology in 2007.

We are aiming to have the same thing by about 2025.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #87 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:04pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Please point me to the generally available 1Gb ISP plan. I have no doubt big companies have it organised already and have so for some time - which is my point. If you needed it you would already have it.

In South Korea a 1G Home plan costs $20 US a month, In China it is $25 a month, three years ago.

We are spending tens of billions in order to end up in ten years time at least 10 years behind where many countries were 5 years ago.

We are aiming to be at the low end of 2008 world standards in 2025 and it will cost us something like $90 B to get there.

I think we are all going to have to demand a level of proof from you. Not only does it seem unlikely, but it is also YOU - an inveterate liar.

I tend to back up most of what I have to say unlike you.

I posted a couple of clips yesterday showing internet standards at 2013. There is no argument that we are aiming at having a 25G system well into the future this is beyond argument, it is also well known that many countries have had well beyond that for some time. It is known that nobody is rolling out FTTN technology.

I find it difficult to find what it is that you could possibly disagree with.

Britain already has one.

And gradually moving to fttp.

But has FTTN which was the lie DNA stated (again).

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #88 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:06pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:18am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

A lot of ifs, buts and maybes in that report. I guess what horrifies some of you is the idea that if you want fibre from the node to your home you might have to *shock horror* PAY FOR IT!

I think I will wait until there is an actual proposal on the table before getting all bent out of shape of a possible, maybe one-day perhaps sale.

There will be no FOD because there is insufficient fibre to the node.

You overlook all the benefits of the NBN to the economy.

And you overstate the benefits... as does everyone else.

The benefits I stated are all well supported. Find the main NBN thread, or go to aph.gov.au, and read the extensive Hansard extracts I posted there.

The real NBN would not have cost the taxpayer much at all, NBN Co would have raised funds. The multi tiers allow a bigger ARPU so the NBN would have paid for itself.

There are fairy stories more realistic (and more entertaining) than your fantasy tale of an NBN that 'would not have cost much'.

There are simpletons who mock your level of intelligence and reasoning.

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Re: Turnbull selling the NBN to "Major Telco" in 2016
Reply #89 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 1:07pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

You claimed China has 1G internet. Where exactly? Much of china outside of the cities is yet to get the telephone and sealed roads.

Having just spent 3 weeks in the country, Tianjin to Guilin & everything in between, as usual our asian neighbours are so far ahead of us technology wise it is pitiful.

Sure you are correct, some places have no phone or sealed roads, they would be the upper northern China on the border of Mongolia.

Much like Gingerah WA 6725

So they get internet that is highly censored and a lack of person freedom. I'd rather live here and have dial-up before that.

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