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Re: Di Natale predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs
Reply #45 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:34pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

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Majority government in 15 years, a better Greens target.

But a truly stupid an naive one.

Naive? Perhaps, it relies on a large number of things to go right.

But stupid? What nonsense. The Liberals and Labor aspire to majority government (for different reasons), does that make this goal stupid for them too? It's actually a sensible goal for a political party not just to be there to make up the numbers. Not that it's likely for the Greens in the short term, but that doesn't diminish the ambition.

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Re: Di NaMonkey predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs
Reply #46 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:41pm

Kytro wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Greens_split is beginning to sound desperate, especially now after the bielection.

The greens improved their result, I'm not sure what you are getting at here?

Only in a tight race like 2010

In 2013 they made little difference if any one the final outcome

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47963 Gender:	Re: Di NaMonkey predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs Reply #47 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:47pm Improved their result, what, 0.7%? Oh wow! And with no Labor candidate running that is a big failure.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Di NaMonkey predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs Reply #48 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:14pm I think you have all misread the mood of the Australian people. A lot of Liberal yuppie voters have a green tinge.
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Re: Di NaMonkey predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs
Reply #49 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:15pm

Kytro wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Greens_split is beginning to sound desperate, especially now after the bielection.

The greens improved their result, I'm not sure what you are getting at here?

Did they? No ALP candidate and an increase of .58%, a figure so small that it is described using two decimal places. It was a woeful result.

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Re: Di Natale predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs
Reply #50 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:18pm

Bam wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

____ wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:55pm:

Majority government in 15 years, a better Greens target.

But a truly stupid an naive one.

Naive? Perhaps, it relies on a large number of things to go right.

But stupid? What nonsense. The Liberals and Labor aspire to majority government (for different reasons), does that make this goal stupid for them too? It's actually a sensible goal for a political party not just to be there to make up the numbers. Not that it's likely for the Greens in the short term, but that doesn't diminish the ambition.

I repeat that it is naive and stupid as it has zero chance of occuring. The Greens have shown no trend to ever acheive even opposition status, never-mind government while the two majors have been there many times in the past. We might as well discuss Family First's expectations to form government.

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Re: Di NaMonkey predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs
Reply #51 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:20pm

miketrees wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

I think you have all misread the mood of the Australian people.
A lot of Liberal yuppie voters have a green tinge.

The voting patterns of some people do not fit the usual spectrum of left-right politics. The Greens have won seats of Labor, Liberals and even the Nationals. There is no evidence to suggest that someone voting Liberal would necessarily switch to Labor before the Greens even though the two major parties have more policies in common than the Liberals have with the Greens.

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Re: Di NaMonkey predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs
Reply #52 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:25pm

miketrees wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

I think you have all misread the mood of the Australian people.
A lot of Liberal yuppie voters have a green tinge.

That is the Greens base. To play to this base the Greens HAVE to be right wing. Play environmental/progressive, in fact, right–conservative.

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Re: Di NaMonkey predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs
Reply #53 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:29pm

Maqqa wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

Kytro wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Greens_split is beginning to sound desperate, especially now after the bielection.

The greens improved their result, I'm not sure what you are getting at here?

Only in a tight race like 2010

In 2013 they made little difference if any one the final outcome

My point was more that are hardly loosing ground or popularity if the vote share increases, now can you.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Di NaMonkey predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs Reply #54 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:33pm I expect to see the Greens drive a wedge between city yuppie Liberals and National Party country people by attacking the farmers.
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Re: Di NaMonkey predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs
Reply #55 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:50pm

Kytro wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

Kytro wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

[quote author=Jovial_Abbott link=1449400920/37#37 date=1449462139]Greens_split is beginning to sound desperate, especially now after the bielection.

The greens improved their result, I'm not sure what you are getting at here?

Only in a tight race like 2010

In 2013 they made little difference if any one the final outcome

My point was more that are hardly loosing ground or popularity if the vote share increases, now can you.
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This was in a bielection with no Labor candidate where the Greens should have picked up a big swag of Labor votes. Nope.

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Re: Di Natale predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs
Reply #56 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:37pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Kytro wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

Kytro wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

[quote author=Jovial_Abbott link=1449400920/37#37 date=1449462139]Greens_split is beginning to sound desperate, especially now after the bielection.

The greens improved their result, I'm not sure what you are getting at here?

Only in a tight race like 2010

In 2013 they made little difference if any one the final outcome

My point was more that are hardly loosing ground or popularity if the vote share increases, now can you.
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This was in a bielection with no Labor candidate where the Greens should have picked up a big swag of Labor votes. Nope.

No. Labor are right and Greens are left.
As you keep on telling everyone.

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Re: Di NaMonkey predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs
Reply #57 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:55pm

If Senator Di Natale does not either shape up or get moved on there is a good chance that there will be no Greens in 15 years.

Green voters will not support him on what seems to be his position in a number of areas.

He seems to me to be more a generic centre right factory produced professional politician than a green.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Di NaMonkey predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs Reply #58 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:07pm He seems to me to be more a generic centre right factory produced professional politician than a green That's because you have a preconceived idea that the Greens must be leftist.
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Re: Di NaMonkey predicts ALP/Greens coalition in 15yrs
Reply #59 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:11pm

Maqqa wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/greens-open-to-more-deals-with-...

Senator Di Natale last month predicted the Greens and Labor will form a coalition government within 15 years.

I don't know that a coalition will occur, but many in Labor will soon have to make a decision about the future of the party. Labor has two incompatible groups in its ranks: far-leftist lunatics and the working classes (many who are bogans). Sooner or later Labor will have to go in one of these two directions. I am guessing they'll go back to their roots and support the working man again. When this occurs, the lunatic left fringe will move to The Greens.

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