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Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Dec 6^th, 2015 at 11:49pm

Here's my gripe with this.

If LIBs had announced these measures then Labor will say it's union bashing. But it's okay for Labor to announce it

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-07/labor-proposes-changes-to-tackle-union-mis...

Federal Labor will today announce a suite of measures aimed at improving union governance, with tougher penalties for criminal offences and more protections for whistleblowers on the cards.

The Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption has uncovered misconduct in a number of unions, and is due to report by the end of the month.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten told ABC's Insider's program on Sunday that he would be announcing the new standards.

"There has been some evidence come out around the [Health Services Union] and one or two other unions, which to my way of thinking means we need to talk about improving governance," he said.

Labor's plan includes:

boosting powers for the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) to investigate breaches of the Fair Work Act;
doubling the maximum penalties for criminal offences;
increasing the size of the Fair Work Commission, with $4.5 million in extra funding;
lowering the threshold at which election donations must be declared from $13,000 to $1,000;
giving union whistleblowers the same protections that exist in the public sector.

Labor's workplace relations spokesman Brendan O'Connor said the changes would help prevent rorting by dishonest officials.

"We want to see strong, effective and honest unions representing working people in this country and so if there are — and we know there are a few — [unions] that have done the wrong thing, we need to detect that early," he said.

In a joint statement from Mr Shorten, Mr O'Connor and Labor MP Mark Dreyfus, the Opposition also pledged to "support unions in their transition to a modern movement, which continues to advocate for nation changing reforms".

The proposed changes would also see a mandatory rotation of auditors every five years and penalties of up to 12-month jail sentences for "auditors failing to do their job".

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47963 Gender:	Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct Reply #1 - Dec 6^th, 2015 at 11:56pm There you go, you got something useful from your $80m party–political witch hunt. Hopefully Labor will go after companies, business unions and the like after the next election. And investigate the corruption around the NBN/MTM!!!
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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct Reply #2 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am What do you think they will find JM?
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct Reply #3 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 12:19am Maqqa wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am: What do you think they will find JM? The exact same that the trade unions royal commission found. Just on a much larger scale.
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26512 Gender:	Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct Reply #4 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:34am Shortarse will never get it past the Labor caucus. He can promote this as Labor policy because he knows he won't win the next election and will then be dumped by the ALP. The new leader will then quietly scrap this policy. Its all about minimising the damage next year.
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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #5 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:57am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:34am:

Shortarse will never get it past the Labor caucus. He can promote this as Labor policy because he knows he won't win the next election and will then be dumped by the ALP. The new leader will then quietly scrap this policy. Its all about minimising the damage next year.

Why wouldnt the coalition support this?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47963 Gender:	Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct Reply #6 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:11am Maqqa wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 12:15am: What do you think they will find JM? Corruption, theft, tax dodging, illegal donations to the Libs, trading while insolvent, failure to pay entitlements to employees, failure to provide a safe workplace and so on.
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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #7 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:13am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:34am:

Shortarse will never get it past the Labor caucus. He can promote this as Labor policy because he knows he won't win the next election and will then be dumped by the ALP. The new leader will then quietly scrap this policy. Its all about minimising the damage next year.

If he announces it then it has already been accepted by caucus.

As to the next election, the way the Libs are stuffing up the economy, the way Turncoat’s honeymoon is ending, abbott is whiteanting it is anybodys to win.

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #8 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:19am

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:34am:

Shortarse will never get it past the Labor caucus. He can promote this as Labor policy because he knows he won't win the next election and will then be dumped by the ALP. The new leader will then quietly scrap this policy. Its all about minimising the damage next year.

If he announces it then it has already been accepted by caucus.

As to the next election, the way the Libs are stuffing up the economy, the way Turncoat’s honeymoon is ending, abbott is whiteanting it is anybodys to win.

Stuffing up the economy? You mean that recession that has been just around the corner since Sept. 2013?

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #9 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:25am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:34am:

Shortarse will never get it past the Labor caucus. He can promote this as Labor policy because he knows he won't win the next election and will then be dumped by the ALP. The new leader will then quietly scrap this policy. Its all about minimising the damage next year.

If he announces it then it has already been accepted by caucus.

As to the next election, the way the Libs are stuffing up the economy, the way Turncoat’s honeymoon is ending, abbott is whiteanting it is anybodys to win.

Stuffing up the economy? You mean that recession that has been just around the corner since Sept. 2013?

Idiot tony was working very hard to get us there, luckily his party saw some common sense.

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #10 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:30am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:34am:

Shortarse will never get it past the Labor caucus. He can promote this as Labor policy because he knows he won't win the next election and will then be dumped by the ALP. The new leader will then quietly scrap this policy. Its all about minimising the damage next year.

If he announces it then it has already been accepted by caucus.

As to the next election, the way the Libs are stuffing up the economy, the way Turncoat’s honeymoon is ending, abbott is whiteanting it is anybodys to win.

Stuffing up the economy? You mean that recession that has been just around the corner since Sept. 2013?

Idiot tony was working very hard to get us there, luckily his partner saw some common sense.

It almost seems as though you WANT to see us in a recession. Surely you're not that vindictive and stupid?

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #11 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:32am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:30am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:34am:

Shortarse will never get it past the Labor caucus. He can promote this as Labor policy because he knows he won't win the next election and will then be dumped by the ALP. The new leader will then quietly scrap this policy. Its all about minimising the damage next year.

If he announces it then it has already been accepted by caucus.

As to the next election, the way the Libs are stuffing up the economy, the way Turncoat’s honeymoon is ending, abbott is whiteanting it is anybodys to win.

Stuffing up the economy? You mean that recession that has been just around the corner since Sept. 2013?

Idiot tony was working very hard to get us there, luckily his partner saw some common sense.

It almost seems as though you WANT to see us in a recession. Surely you're not that vindictive and stupid?

I do? I said luckily the lib party stopped idiot tony from getting us there. Surly any comprehension would lead to the conclusion im happy the idiot who was destroying our economy is now gone, ie im happy we arent in a recession. How did your comprehension lead you so astray?

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #12 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:34am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:32am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:30am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:34am:

Shortarse will never get it past the Labor caucus. He can promote this as Labor policy because he knows he won't win the next election and will then be dumped by the ALP. The new leader will then quietly scrap this policy. Its all about minimising the damage next year.

If he announces it then it has already been accepted by caucus.

As to the next election, the way the Libs are stuffing up the economy, the way Turncoat’s honeymoon is ending, abbott is whiteanting it is anybodys to win.

Stuffing up the economy? You mean that recession that has been just around the corner since Sept. 2013?

Idiot tony was working very hard to get us there, luckily his partner saw some common sense.

It almost seems as though you WANT to see us in a recession. Surely you're not that vindictive and stupid?

I do? I said luckily the lib party stopped idiot tony from getting us there. Surly any comprehension would lead to the conclusion im happy the idiot who was destroying our economy is now gone, ie im happy we arent in a recession. How did your comprehension lead you so astray?

Sure, sure. Every time the figures come in showing growth, I can just hear the groan of disappointment in your voice.

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #13 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:44am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:34am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:32am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:30am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:34am:

Shortarse will never get it past the Labor caucus. He can promote this as Labor policy because he knows he won't win the next election and will then be dumped by the ALP. The new leader will then quietly scrap this policy. Its all about minimising the damage next year.

If he announces it then it has already been accepted by caucus.

As to the next election, the way the Libs are stuffing up the economy, the way Turncoat’s honeymoon is ending, abbott is whiteanting it is anybodys to win.

Stuffing up the economy? You mean that recession that has been just around the corner since Sept. 2013?

Idiot tony was working very hard to get us there, luckily his partner saw some common sense.

It almost seems as though you WANT to see us in a recession. Surely you're not that vindictive and stupid?

I do? I said luckily the lib party stopped idiot tony from getting us there. Surly any comprehension would lead to the conclusion im happy the idiot who was destroying our economy is now gone, ie im happy we arent in a recession. How did your comprehension lead you so astray?

Sure, sure. Every time the figures come in showing growth, I can just hear the groan of disappointment in your voice.

I havent commented on those threads? Just like i dont comment on polls. Given the figures have only a portion to do with politics and are not a true indicator of government performance. Unless you believe in big government?

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Reply #14 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

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