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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #15 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:48am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

Whats the lib policy? Or nat policy? I forget whos running the show these days...

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #16 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:57am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

Whats the lib policy? Or nat policy? I forget whos running the show these days...

Neither. It's my opinion.

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #17 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:58am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:57am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

Whats the lib policy? Or nat policy? I forget whos running the show these days...

Neither. It's my opinion.

Neither parties are in government?

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #18 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:29am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:57am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

Whats the lib policy? Or nat policy? I forget whos running the show these days...

Neither. It's my opinion.

Neither parties are in government?

I see you overdosed on stupid pills this morning.

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #19 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:43am

Maqqa wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 11:49pm:

Labor's plan includes:

boosting powers for the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) to investigate breaches of the Fair Work Act;
doubling the maximum penalties for criminal offences;
increasing the size of the Fair Work Commission, with $4.5 million in extra funding;
lowering the threshold at which election donations must be declared from $13,000 to $1,000;
giving union whistleblowers the same protections that exist in the public sector.

boosting powers for the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) to investigate breaches of the Fair Work Act;
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If they are not careful they could catch many businesses out.

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doubling the maximum penalties for criminal offences;
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OK

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increasing the size of the Fair Work Commission, with $4.5 million in extra funding;
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The conservatives typically do not support funding their rhetoric.

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lowering the threshold at which election donations must be declared from $13,000 to $1,000;
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Yep good idea

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giving union whistleblowers the same protections that exist in the public sector.

All whistle blowers should be protected across the board. In my view it is not acceptable to protect corruption in the private sector while trying to stamp it out on the government sector and Unions. Corruption should not be protected anywhere.

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #20 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:47am

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 11:56pm:

There you go, you got something useful from your $80m party–political witch hunt.

Hopefully Labor will go after companies, business unions and the like after the next election. And investigate the corruption around the NBN/MTM!!!

They could catch themselves out with the NBN - I doubt the early part they played themselves was completely squeaky clean.

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #21 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:53am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:57am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

Whats the lib policy? Or nat policy? I forget whos running the show these days...

Neither. It's my opinion.

Neither parties are in government?

I see you overdosed on stupid pills this morning.

The pount is why are you being critical about a labor policy when the parties in government dont even have a policy! Theyve instigated a multi million dollar commission, and have nothing prepared to act on its findings! Surely by now the lib/nats can have some policy framework? Or was if all yet another big waste of money by the "economy savers"?

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #22 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:03am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:19am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:34am:

Shortarse will never get it past the Labor caucus. He can promote this as Labor policy because he knows he won't win the next election and will then be dumped by the ALP. The new leader will then quietly scrap this policy. Its all about minimising the damage next year.

If he announces it then it has already been accepted by caucus.

As to the next election, the way the Libs are stuffing up the economy, the way Turncoat’s honeymoon is ending, abbott is whiteanting it is anybodys to win.

Stuffing up the economy? You mean that recession that has been just around the corner since Sept. 2013?

Growth at 2.5%, stagnant wage growth means the economy is static at best, declining more likely, there is nowhere near enough growth to give everyone who wants wants one a job.

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #23 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:05am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

You are sounding rather desperate there!

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #24 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:59am

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

You are sounding rather desperate there!

Unions spending $100M helping the ALP to win the 2007 election proves AP's point

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/business-has-a-few-choice-words-on-union-...

Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #25 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:51am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:57am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

Whats the lib policy? Or nat policy? I forget whos running the show these days...

Neither. It's my opinion.

Neither parties are in government?

I see you overdosed on stupid pills this morning.

The pount is why are you being critical about a labor policy when the parties in government dont even have a policy! Theyve instigated a multi million dollar commission, and have nothing prepared to act on its findings! Surely by now the lib/nats can have some policy framework? Or was if all yet another big waste of money by the "economy savers"?

So you think they should have a plan ready to go BEFORE the Royal Commission publishes its findings? That's not putting the cart before the horse much now, is it? Gawd, why are you so stupid?

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #26 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:52am

Maqqa wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:59am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

You are sounding rather desperate there!

Unions spending $100M helping the ALP to win the 2007 election proves AP's point

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/business-has-a-few-choice-words-on-union-...

Which Gillard paid back to the Unions with taxpayer funds under the guise of "training". Rudd did the exact same thing. Illegal? Probably.

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #27 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:40am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:57am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

Whats the lib policy? Or nat policy? I forget whos running the show these days...

Neither. It's my opinion.

Neither parties are in government?

I see you overdosed on stupid pills this morning.

The pount is why are you being critical about a labor policy when the parties in government dont even have a policy! Theyve instigated a multi million dollar commission, and have nothing prepared to act on its findings! Surely by now the lib/nats can have some policy framework? Or was if all yet another big waste of money by the "economy savers"?

So you think they should have a plan ready to go BEFORE the Royal Commission publishes its findings? That's not putting the cart before the horse much now, is it? Gawd, why are you so stupid?

The royal commission has given then reports already. Surely they have SOME ideas? No?

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #28 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:04am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:40am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:57am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

Whats the lib policy? Or nat policy? I forget whos running the show these days...

Neither. It's my opinion.

Neither parties are in government?

I see you overdosed on stupid pills this morning.

The pount is why are you being critical about a labor policy when the parties in government dont even have a policy! Theyve instigated a multi million dollar commission, and have nothing prepared to act on its findings! Surely by now the lib/nats can have some policy framework? Or was if all yet another big waste of money by the "economy savers"?

So you think they should have a plan ready to go BEFORE the Royal Commission publishes its findings? That's not putting the cart before the horse much now, is it? Gawd, why are you so stupid?

The royal commission has given then reports already. Surely they have SOME ideas? No?

So you want the government to pre-empt the RC?

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #29 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:21am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:04am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 10:40am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:57am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

Whats the lib policy? Or nat policy? I forget whos running the show these days...

Neither. It's my opinion.

Neither parties are in government?

I see you overdosed on stupid pills this morning.

The pount is why are you being critical about a labor policy when the parties in government dont even have a policy! Theyve instigated a multi million dollar commission, and have nothing prepared to act on its findings! Surely by now the lib/nats can have some policy framework? Or was if all yet another big waste of money by the "economy savers"?

So you think they should have a plan ready to go BEFORE the Royal Commission publishes its findings? That's not putting the cart before the horse much now, is it? Gawd, why are you so stupid?

The royal commission has given then reports already. Surely they have SOME ideas? No?

So you want the government to pre-empt the RC?

They have reports from the rc. Gardly preemptive

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