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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #30 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:49am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:52am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:59am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

The truth is that Shorten will never do anything about this. He relies on the Unions entirely for his political clout within the ALP. No doubt the Unions would be pissed-off by this proposal and there'd be a massive revolt against it. He'd lose all political support and it'd never become law under a Labor government. Shorten is a Unionist first, politician second.

You are sounding rather desperate there!

Unions spending $100M helping the ALP to win the 2007 election proves AP's point

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/business-has-a-few-choice-words-on-union-...

Which Gillard paid back to the Unions with taxpayer funds under the guise of "training". Rudd did the exact same thing. Illegal? Probably.

That is your opinion but when Labor implements this policy in 2017 then I think much bigger fish will also be caught.

Two people charged with blackmail, I guess the witch hunt had to have something concrete for all the money wasted on it.

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #31 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:06pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 11:56pm:

There you go, you got something useful from your $80m party–political witch hunt.

Hopefully Labor will go after companies, business unions and the like after the next election. And investigate the corruption around the NBN/MTM!!!

Good ideas, but they don't go far enough. We also need fundamental reforms of political donations to ensure that the political decision makers remain at arms' length of donors at all times. Not only must we stamp out corporate corruption, we must also eliminate the structures that allow corporate corruption to take place.

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #32 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:45pm

Shorten is seen as a union boss

The person that took over from him is being taken to court

What credibility do you think Shorten has in implementing this?

This is like allowing Syria to self inspect it's nuclear facility and taking their word for it

Shorten/Syria can pinkie swear all it wants but no one will believe them

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #33 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:48pm

Bam wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 11:56pm:

There you go, you got something useful from your $80m party–political witch hunt.

Hopefully Labor will go after companies, business unions and the like after the next election. And investigate the corruption around the NBN/MTM!!!

Good ideas, but they don't go far enough. We also need fundamental reforms of political donations to ensure that the political decision makers remain at arms' length of donors at all times. Not only must we stamp out corporate corruption, we must also eliminate the structures that allow corporate corruption to take place.

True, no argument from me.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75356 Gender:	Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct Reply #34 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:09pm Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:43am: lowering the threshold at which election donations must be declared from $13,000 to $1,000; is this limited to unions or is it everyone?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47963 Gender:	Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct Reply #35 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:21pm Everyone. Howard raised the disclosure amount IIRC.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75356 Gender:	Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct Reply #36 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:34pm Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:21pm: Everyone. Howard raised the disclosure amount IIRC. If it's everyone the libs will never support this bill.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct Reply #37 - Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:43pm John Smith wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:34pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:21pm: Everyone. Howard raised the disclosure amount IIRC. If it's everyone the libs will never support this bill. Be interesting to hear the arguments opposing it .
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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #38 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 5:02am

John Smith wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 6:43am:

lowering the threshold at which election donations must be declared from $13,000 to $1,000;

is this limited to unions or is it everyone?

The rules seem to apply to fair work - I doubt anyone other than Unions hold elections that would be financed.

Maybe the limit should be zero. The union could give each contestant $500 for their campaign.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59419 Here Gender:	Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct Reply #39 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 5:08am Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 11:04am: So you want the government to pre-empt the RC? Labor are not in government but do seem to be leading the way with constructive policy direction.
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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #40 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 5:13am

John Smith wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:21pm:

Everyone. Howard raised the disclosure amount IIRC.

If it's everyone the libs will never support this bill.

Yep higher probability of the sun not coming up in the morning that the libs limiting disclosure on political donations.

Last NSW election they the Libs fund raising body was caught out improperly financing their campaign with hundreds of thousands of dollars hidden from disclosure and from non allowed categories.

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #41 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 6:02am

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 6^th, 2015 at 11:56pm:

There you go, you got something useful from your $80m party–political witch hunt.

Hopefully Labor will go after companies, business unions and the like after the next election. And investigate the corruption around the NBN/MTM!!!

the Royal has exposed the companies that are ALLEGED to have PAID backdoor protection money..

however a few people on here have claimed those in charge never took anything... Roll Eyes

its a WITCH HUNT..dont forget...

so if someone didnt receive how could someone else be found guilty???>.

guilty of what pray?????

what will happen to these companies I dont know maybe the TAX DEPT will be taking a closer look at them...

if someone blackmails you into coughing up thousands.....what are you guilty of??? ... are you as corrupt as them??>....I dont think I have seen anyone charged with paying blackmail..???????>...

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Re: Proposed changes to tackle union misconduct
Reply #42 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 6:07am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 5:13am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Dec 7^th, 2015 at 9:21pm:

Everyone. Howard raised the disclosure amount IIRC.

If it's everyone the libs will never support this bill.

Yep higher probability of the sun not coming up in the morning that the libs limiting disclosure on political donations.

Last NSW election they the Libs fund raising body was caught out improperly financing their campaign with hundreds of thousands of dollars hidden from disclosure and from non allowed categories.

if Labor get in they will have all the independents on side.. so the Libs will have no choice....

and neither they should...

and donations to pol parties shouldnt be TAX DEDUCTIBLE either..

its a kind of money laundering.. in a way....

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