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Reply #870 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:36pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:27pm:

Who told you that he smothered her?

Who told you that he smothered her?

READ IT. The OFFICIAL AUTOPSY!

https://aussiecriminals.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/autopsy-report1.pdf

We have. It has already been posted. That is why Mr Peccary knows he has you in a corner.

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Reply #871 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:36pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:32pm:

Oi you lot!

Back to the topic.....

In my view, the case was not managed properly by the Prosecution.

It made a few mistakes which left loopholes ie opportunities which were subsequently exploited by Baden's defence team.

This bungle could ONLY happen in bloody QLD.

So yes, I do hope this application succeeds.

All the evidence needs to be considered.

It's a shame this did not happen.

Right that's it.

It's Romper Room time again I see.

See ya!

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Reply #872 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:38pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:11pm:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3375639/Gerard-Baden-Clay-called-wife-Al...

Hmmm........

Gerard Baden-Clay called his wife Allison's life insurers a week BEFORE he killed her - and police believe it shows he was 'financially motivated' to murder her

Gerard Baden-Clay called his wife Allison's life insurer before he killed her

Detectives believe call may have proved he was financially motivated

His murder conviction was downgraded to manslaughter earlier this month

He was found guilty last year of killing Allison and sentenced to life in jail.

Now for the best part......

Detectives believe they could show Gerard Baden-Clay was financially motivated to kill his wife Allison despite an appeal's decision saying there was no evidence of a motive to kill when his murder conviction was downgraded to manslaughter.

Baden-Clay reportedly made a call to Allison's life insurers a week before he killed her, which detectives believe could have proved he murdered his wife for money, the Courier Mail reports.

The decision by prosecutors to NOT concentrate on Allison's life insurance was mentioned when the 45-year-old's murder conviction was downgraded to manslaughter earlier this month in the Queensland Court of Appeal.

Big Mistake!

.....by the Prosecution.

Up for Kytro!

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Reply #873 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:38pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:27pm:

Who told you that he smothered her?

Who told you that he smothered her?

READ IT. The OFFICIAL AUTOPSY!

https://aussiecriminals.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/autopsy-report1.pdf

Thank you.

it clearly states:

"Cause of Death cannot be determined ... "

So, who told you that he smothered her?

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #874 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:13pm Perhaps Nefertiti 'hypothesised' seems to be the in thing with the Queensland Court system. In fact it's all the rage with the Judges in the Appeals Court.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38879 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #875 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:20pm red baron wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:13pm: Perhaps Nefertiti 'hypothesised' seems to be the in thing with the Queensland Court system. In fact it's all the rage with the Judges in the Appeals Court. Except that hypothesis is not supported by the evidence. In fact, it is discounted as undetermined.
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Reply #876 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:22pm

Aussie you have been around long enough to know that Verbal Assault IS a form of Violence.

Emotional abuse over a period of time can be a ticking time bomb that can easily lead to physical violence.

I believe this contributed to the overall pattern of a toxic relationship, which helped Gerard to 'go over the edge' get a big payday for himself and remove what he saw as the source of his problems...his wife Alison.

Of course I can be accused of 'hypothesising' this but seeing that its O.K. for Judges to do it...why not?

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Alinta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1470 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #877 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:28pm Take a look at the Supreme Court Judge's sentencing remarks following the jury verdict of murder..... https://astrologyincrime.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/qsc14-155.pdf
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Reply #878 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:33pm

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Aussie you have been around long enough to know that Verbal Assault IS a form of Violence.

'Verbal violence?' Self contradictory term.

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Emotional abuse over a period of time can be a ticking time bomb that can easily lead to physical violence.

I believe this contributed to the overall pattern of a toxic relationship, which helped Gerard to 'go over the edge' get a big payday for himself and remove what he saw as the source of his problems...his wife Alison.

You assume that he went over the edge and she was not the aggressor in 'verbal violence' or emotional abuse. Gawd, she did have plenty of reason to 'lose it,' after all.

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Of course I can be accused of 'hypothesising' this but seeing that its O.K. for Judges to do it...why not?

Sure, and it will stick as 'open/available' if it is plausible and consistent with the evidence.

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Reply #879 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:35pm

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Pursuant to s.159A of the
Penalties and Sentences Act
1992, I declare the
762 days spent in pre-sentence custody from 14 June
2012 until today to
be imprisonment already served under the sentence.
The law provides but one penalty for your awful crime.
I impose it.
You are sentenced to imprisonment for life

Says it all.

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Reply #880 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:42pm

red baron wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:22pm:

Aussie you have been around long enough to know that Verbal Assault IS a form of Violence.

Emotional abuse over a period of time can be a ticking time bomb that can easily lead to physical violence.

I believe this contributed to the overall pattern of a toxic relationship, which helped Gerard to 'go over the edge' get a big payday for himself and remove what he saw as the source of his problems...his wife Alison.

Of course I can be accused of 'hypothesising' this but seeing that its O.K. for Judges to do it...why not?

they went to marriage guidance counselling....

what was that about if it wasnt problems..

but I am sure they were all Allisons..

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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #881 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:50pm IF I hear that GBC has been attacked in prison and died .... i will celebrate his demise. His 3 little girls do NOT need to see him, ever again.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 140155 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #882 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:51pm Neferti wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:50pm: IF I hear that GBC has been attacked in prison and died .... i will celebrate his demise. His 3 little girls do NOT need to see him, ever again. So, who told you that he smothered her?
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Reply #883 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:57pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

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Pursuant to s.159A of the
Penalties and Sentences Act
1992, I declare the
762 days spent in pre-sentence custody from 14 June
2012 until today to
be imprisonment already served under the sentence.
The law provides but one penalty for your awful crime.
I impose it.
You are sentenced to imprisonment for life

Says it all.

I find it interesting to see the LAWs.. changed over ONE PUNCH...death.....its now I believe in NSW at least 8 years....

no messing about

.whats to argue about...

as far as i know it was the hue and cry from the public that brought that about.. they were fed up with slaps on the wrist....

for those left behind.. it will never be enough.. but at least he gets thrown in jail.....

I am wondering if they can use the INTENT wiggle off the hook.... Roll Eyes

I am sure a lot of lawyers are doing their homework on that one.....they will find a loophole..

in the case of domestic violence death... well it appears to be all in the accused favour...it all comes down to INTENT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT..

do you all have the same degree of REASONABLENESS???.....

do not forget... after the altercation nothing must be taken into account.....why because no ,one can prove BEYOND ETC ..... so death due to domestic violence...

seems to have a massive loophole. for all the creeps to jump through......

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Reply #884 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:13pm

cods wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:22pm:

Aussie you have been around long enough to know that Verbal Assault IS a form of Violence.

Emotional abuse over a period of time can be a ticking time bomb that can easily lead to physical violence.

I believe this contributed to the overall pattern of a toxic relationship, which helped Gerard to 'go over the edge' get a big payday for himself and remove what he saw as the source of his problems...his wife Alison.

Of course I can be accused of 'hypothesising' this but seeing that its O.K. for Judges to do it...why not?

they went to marriage guidance counselling....

what was that about if it wasnt problems..

but I am sure they were all Allisons..

How would you know, one way or the other?

How would any of us know?

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