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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #135 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:07pm

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

The Law is an ass...no sorry sometimes the law is an ARSE, like in this case.

Never ever forget that laws are made up by humans with pens in their hands and the law can be changed as swiftly as the stroke of a pen.

If you are looking for Justice go hire the Hells Angels, you will most probably get a more satisfactory result.

So, you believe people ought be convicted of offences even though there is just no way they can possibly have been guilty beyond reasonable doubt?

Yeas?

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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #137 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:19pm

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

The Law is an ass...no sorry sometimes the law is an ARSE, like in this case.

Never ever forget that laws are made up by humans with pens in their hands and the law can be changed as swiftly as the stroke of a pen.

If you are looking for Justice go hire the Hells Angels, you will most probably get a more satisfactory result.

so far so good RB the

Attorney General is going to Appeal.....this UNBELIEVABLE decision...

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hurray to everyone that SIGNED...

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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #138 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:21pm

cods wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:19pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

The Law is an ass...no sorry sometimes the law is an ARSE, like in this case.

Never ever forget that laws are made up by humans with pens in their hands and the law can be changed as swiftly as the stroke of a pen.

If you are looking for Justice go hire the Hells Angels, you will most probably get a more satisfactory result.

so far so good RB the

Attorney General is going to Appeal.....this UNBELIEVABLE decision...

.

hurray to everyone that SIGNED...

"unbelievable"?

What's unbelievable about it?

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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #139 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:36pm

cods wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:19pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

The Law is an ass...no sorry sometimes the law is an ARSE, like in this case.

Never ever forget that laws are made up by humans with pens in their hands and the law can be changed as swiftly as the stroke of a pen.

If you are looking for Justice go hire the Hells Angels, you will most probably get a more satisfactory result.

so far so good RB the

Attorney General is going to Appeal.....this UNBELIEVABLE decision...

.

hurray to everyone that SIGNED...

Got a link? (I've checked every site I know of.....nothing.)

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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #140 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:40pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:36pm:

cods wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:19pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

The Law is an ass...no sorry sometimes the law is an ARSE, like in this case.

Never ever forget that laws are made up by humans with pens in their hands and the law can be changed as swiftly as the stroke of a pen.

If you are looking for Justice go hire the Hells Angels, you will most probably get a more satisfactory result.

so far so good RB the

Attorney General is going to Appeal.....this UNBELIEVABLE decision...

.

hurray to everyone that SIGNED...

Got a link? (I've checked every site I know of.....nothing.)

There's no link.

The AG is still researching the options.

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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #141 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:36pm:

cods wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:19pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

The Law is an ass...no sorry sometimes the law is an ARSE, like in this case.

Never ever forget that laws are made up by humans with pens in their hands and the law can be changed as swiftly as the stroke of a pen.

If you are looking for Justice go hire the Hells Angels, you will most probably get a more satisfactory result.

so far so good RB the

Attorney General is going to Appeal.....this UNBELIEVABLE decision...

.

hurray to everyone that SIGNED...

Got a link? (I've checked every site I know of.....nothing.)

There's no link.

The AG is still researching the options.

Since when did 'researching options' mean 'Attorney General is going to appeal?'

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Reply #142 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 10:30pm

'the law is an as' was mentioned to say that everyone seemed to think it should be the beast of burden for all their personal issues .....

.......now with the advent of Rabid Feminism - the Law has indeed become a beast of burden for every whine they have.. or even imagine.... and that is an escalating problem with 'law', 'legislation', 'regulation' and Law... and is Hell bent on confrontation between the four.....

Will The Rule Of Law prevail? Or will one or more of the others?.

An escalating burden on society.. but most of you missed it...... and will do so to your graves.....

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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #143 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 10:34pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:36pm:

cods wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:19pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

The Law is an ass...no sorry sometimes the law is an ARSE, like in this case.

Never ever forget that laws are made up by humans with pens in their hands and the law can be changed as swiftly as the stroke of a pen.

If you are looking for Justice go hire the Hells Angels, you will most probably get a more satisfactory result.

so far so good RB the

Attorney General is going to Appeal.....this UNBELIEVABLE decision...

.

hurray to everyone that SIGNED...

Got a link? (I've checked every site I know of.....nothing.)

No idea where Cods found her info. Most recent I can see states no decision has yet been made. Qld Premier "checked in" with AG this morning and was advised so.

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Reply #144 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 10:43pm

A case based on 'circumstantial evidence' is not sound, and therefore there is every opportunity for a judicial review to - if not overturn a jury finding - find that a possibly lesser charge and conviction should stand...

But that's just legal chicanery - and is NOT the Rule of Law, which requires conviction beyond ANY possible doubt....

I may well believe the man is guilty - but in Law I cannot, on the evidence...... find that to be true.......

That is why we HAVE a Rule Of Law - so that personal feelings do not impinge on the facts as required by Law.

If - for example - you were standing on a roadway, waiting for a discussion on your kids and property..... when your ex-missus was killed within ten yards of you by a passing truck - are you guilty of killing her? Or of even organising that truck to hit her and kill her?

Unless you can prove links and intent, there is no case........ love it or leave it.

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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #145 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 5:07am

Alinta wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 10:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:36pm:

cods wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:19pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

The Law is an ass...no sorry sometimes the law is an ARSE, like in this case.

Never ever forget that laws are made up by humans with pens in their hands and the law can be changed as swiftly as the stroke of a pen.

If you are looking for Justice go hire the Hells Angels, you will most probably get a more satisfactory result.

so far so good RB the

Attorney General is going to Appeal.....this UNBELIEVABLE decision...

.

hurray to everyone that SIGNED...

Got a link? (I've checked every site I know of.....nothing.)

No idea where Cods found her info. Most recent I can see states no decision has yet been made. Qld Premier "checked in" with AG this morning and was advised so.

yes sorry I was a bit quick misread the info...sorry about that...lets hope commonsense prevails...

my apologies

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BlueBeard Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 387 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #146 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 5:21am over 70.000 have signed the petition and there's also going to be a rally in Brisbane to let these judges know that they are out of touch, in fact, they've lost their marbles the Attorney General will have to act
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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #147 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 8:58am

cods wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 5:07am:

Alinta wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 10:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:36pm:

cods wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:19pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

The Law is an ass...no sorry sometimes the law is an ARSE, like in this case.

Never ever forget that laws are made up by humans with pens in their hands and the law can be changed as swiftly as the stroke of a pen.

If you are looking for Justice go hire the Hells Angels, you will most probably get a more satisfactory result.

so far so good RB the

Attorney General is going to Appeal.....this UNBELIEVABLE decision...

.

hurray to everyone that SIGNED...

Got a link? (I've checked every site I know of.....nothing.)

No idea where Cods found her info. Most recent I can see states no decision has yet been made. Qld Premier "checked in" with AG this morning and was advised so.

yes sorry I was a bit quick misread the info...sorry about that...lets hope commonsense prevails...

my apologies

It's about if they have a basis for an appeal or not. You can't appeal because you don't like the outcome, there has to be a legal mechanism for it and you feel it's unreasonable isn't one of those mechanisms.

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Reply #148 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:55am

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 5:21am:

over 70.000 have signed the petition and there's also going to be a rally in Brisbane to let these judges know that they are out of touch, in fact, they've lost their marbles

the Attorney General will have to act Angry

Why - because people don't like the decision?

You can't be serious.

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Reply #149 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 11:36am

JUDICIARY ACT 1903 - SECT 35A
Criteria for granting special leave to appeal
               In considering whether to grant an application for special leave to appeal to the High Court under this Act or under any other Act, the High Court may have regard to any matters that it considers relevant but shall have regard to:

                  (a) whether the proceedings in which the judgment to which the application relates was pronounced involve a question of law:

                           (i) that is of public importance, whether because of its general application or otherwise; or

                           (ii) in respect of which a decision of the High Court, as the final appellate court, is required to resolve differences of opinion between different courts, or within the one court, as to the state of the law; and

                  (b) whether the interests of the administration of justice, either generally or in the particular case, require consideration by the High Court of the judgment to which the application relates.

OK.......according to an article I read this morning the AG has filed a Notice of Appearance and now has 22 days left to lodge an application for Special Leave to Appeal......criteria as above.

Whether or not eminent legal minds can find compelling argument to support such application (obviously) remains to be seen, however public outrage over the downgrading of sentence, however well intentioned, is of itself, insufficient.

That said, I see scope for the public to channel its efforts towards DPP Sentencing submissions to the Qld Supreme Court of Appeal.......guess that will probably occur if the High Court appeal does not proceed.

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