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Reply #510 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 9:05am
 
cods wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 5:51am:
Aussie wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 8:27pm:
Not on my part.  I presented a relevant and simple scenario, and cods et al (perhaps realising exactly how relevant it was) ran for the cover of blatant abuse (which I have reported) or feigned ignorance/obfuscation, and could not bring themselves to answer a very obvious question





alinta.....I do hope you have read this post..

BLATANT ABUSE....... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


this is what I HAVE TO PUT UP WITH

and then I get it for not answering him........


even grap gets on the train.. Angry Angry Angry

out of the blue......no reason just to take a pot shot at cods...

now I am being accused and REPORTED for abuse.


have you noticed he doesnt say WHAT THE ABUSE WAS....no lets leave that to his imagination....

along with his HYPOTHETICAL....

I am fed up with this guy turning every thread I get involved in....into a lets make cods look like a the ignorant bitch I think she is......

FERFUXSAKES NUMPTY...I dont care what you think...I have nothing to say to you....

and I think that is my right...

leave me alone or I will report you for stalking...and your lies....go away I dont think I can be any plainer than that....







You all need to let it drop - all of you are fanning whatever flames (sic) you've brought with you from other forums....

... and it ties up every thread.... now cut it out...
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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #511 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 9:17am
 
Well, the Appeal has now been lodged.

I can't wait to hear the outcome.
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Reply #512 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:34pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 5:51am:
Aussie wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 8:27pm:
Not on my part.  I presented a relevant and simple scenario, and cods et al (perhaps realising exactly how relevant it was) ran for the cover of blatant abuse (which I have reported) or feigned ignorance/obfuscation, and could not bring themselves to answer a very obvious question





alinta.....I do hope you have read this post..

BLATANT ABUSE....... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


this is what I HAVE TO PUT UP WITH

and then I get it for not answering him........

I am quite certain to call another person deranged, is personal criticism.  That is what you resorted to.



even grap gets on the train.. Angry Angry Angry

out of the blue......no reason just to take a pot shot at cods...

now I am being accused and REPORTED for abuse.


have you noticed he doesnt say WHAT THE ABUSE WAS....no lets leave that to his imagination....

You have to be joking!  You don't reckon 'he is deranged' is personal criticism?


along with his HYPOTHETICAL....

I am fed up with this guy turning every thread I get involved in....into a lets make cods look like a the ignorant bitch I think she is......

I have made zero effort to make you 'look like the ignorant bitch.'


FERFUXSAKES NUMPTY...I dont care what you think...I have nothing to say to you....

and I think that is my right...

leave me alone or I will report you for stalking...and your lies....go away I dont think I can be any plainer than that....

Sorry cods, this  is a public Forum, and I am entitled to present my point of view, just like you are.  You are entirely free to attack that view, just like I am free to attack yours.  You have no immunity card here, no-one does.







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Reply #513 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:43pm
 
Aussie's Theme Tune. Yeas, nah, schemedia, etc.

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Reply #514 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:44pm
 
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Reply #515 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:46pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 6:14am:
Alinta wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 8:02pm:
cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 7:27pm:
Alinta wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 6:35pm:
I don't read it as an attempt to make light of Allison's death. Even though it's in the Baden-Clay thread, try to put that aside and just read the scenario putting yourself in the place of the teenagers' mum...........and assess it on the basis of the "evidence" supplied.





why should we?????...

just to make numpty feel better.. you have got to be kidding..

let him start another thread and see what response he gets...

he has already shown us what he thinks about women in general on the domestic violence threads....

he is deranged.. and will do anythign and say anything to get his own way...I am sorry to see you think it is ok......

but at least we know where you stand...now..

first of all he claims he only believes what he READS..

then!!!!he hasnt read the Book because it would sully what he claims is the TRUTH..

then bugger me he comes along with a HYPOTHETICAL that bares no relationship to a murder..... and  the subsequent disposal of a body...

I am sure that happens in court all the time.... Angry Angry Angry


Where I stand on it is this Cods......

Hypotheticals/ scenarios are an excellent teaching tool......in this case to encourage posters to turn their minds to the "evidence" presented
and assess it in the light of proof, or not proof, of intent.

It matters not to me who introduced the scenario........and who chooses to participate (or not) is none of my business.......no should or shouldn't about it.........






mate.... if you think there is a comparison between his HYPO.. and the real case..

It is a very precise (deliberate) comparison with the evidence in both cases.  In my scenario, cods, where is proof beyond reasonable doubt the teenager with the cut hand intended to destroy the ornament?


then I feel sorry for you....the fact is this person used ME in his pathetic hypo.. why not himself....why not numpty goes away for two weeks.. leaving two teenagers who cant feed themselves.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

no because that wouldnt be putting cods down..

and he enjoys doing that...like a child...

its what he does.......if you look through this thread alone I have done my best to ignore this person...I dont want to play his pathetic games.....

If you read the scenario, you will see that I stated the kids were capable of feeding themselves.  The point there was that they were not 13, but hypothetically in the 17/18 type bracket.  It is a scenario cods....an imagined case.  There would not be one person here who thought it was descriptive of your real life.  Get a grip, cods.


I Know WHAT evidence MEANS.... I KNOW WHAT BEYOND A SHADOW OF DOUBT >>>MEANS.......

dont you get it... we all have our own opinion on that..

Good.  Excellent!  In my scenario, is there evidence which proves beyond reasonable doubt that the kid with the cut hand intended to destroy the ornament?


3 judges have thrown out.

what 12 men on a jury decided their verdict was based on  what they saw as BEYOND A SHADOW OF DOUBT...it was murder.....


why did he lie and lie and lie.. and clean up clean up clean up...if he didnt have anything to be guilty of????

He did have plenty to hide and to be guilty of!  He was involved the the death of his Wife.


if he is so innocent....why pretend he had a shaving accident...all he had to do was claim she struck him first...and he was defending himself....

because he strangled her....its a bit hard to do that by accident.

hows that for a HYPOTHETICAL

There is no satisfactory evidence for anyone to conclude he strangled her.  None whatsoever.  That fact blows your hypothetical apart.  Why did the teenager with the cut hand 'pretend' the cut was from mucking around with a pocket knife?


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Reply #516 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:48pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 9:17am:
Well, the Appeal has now been lodged.

I can't wait to hear the outcome.


How about you tell us what, in your opinion, the outcome will be, Lisa Jones?
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Reply #517 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:49pm
 
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You all need to let it drop - all of you are fanning whatever flames (sic) you've brought with you from other forums....

... and it ties up every thread.... now cut it out...


I'll continue to discuss the topic, and I will not 'drop' my views on it.
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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #518 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:51pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 9:17am:
Well, the Appeal has now been lodged.

I can't wait to hear the outcome.


How about you tell us what, in your opinion, the outcome will be, Lisa Jones?


How about you stop telling women on forums what to do, Aussie?
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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #519 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:52pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:43pm:
Aussie's Theme Tune. Yeas, nah, schemedia, etc.




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Reply #520 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:56pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 9:17am:
Well, the Appeal has now been lodged.

I can't wait to hear the outcome.


How about you tell us what, in your opinion, the outcome will be, Lisa Jones?


How about you stop telling women on forums what to do, Aussie?


You are busy telling people (including Mods) what to do all the time.  I don't care if you don't offer your opinion......just so long as you don't (after the High Court decision is given) claim to have had the same opinion as theirs, whatever that be.

My opinion is that the High Court will not even grant leave to appeal.
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Reply #521 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 2:01pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:56pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 9:17am:
Well, the Appeal has now been lodged.

I can't wait to hear the outcome.


How about you tell us what, in your opinion, the outcome will be, Lisa Jones?


How about you stop telling women on forums what to do, Aussie?


You are busy telling people (including Mods) what to do all the time.  I don't care if you don't offer your opinion......just so long as you don't (after the High Court decision is given) claim to have had the same opinion as theirs, whatever that be.

My opinion is that the High Court will not even grant leave to appeal.


I don't care what you think.

Your opinion about me or this matter means nothing.

That's where it's at.


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Reply #522 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 2:07pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 8:40am:
Setanta wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 6:04am:
Cods, you got involved in a thread that Aussie started, surely he can post in his own thread, or do you mean once you start posting, he must stop? The hypothetical is valid as a way to demonstrate the meaning of "intent".





he started the thread if you read the title... because its how He THINKS...the man didnt mean to kill her her hide her or pretend she run off...he didnt mean any of that....

mean being intend..

of course we know who knows what he intended dont we?????...



That's the point cods, there is obviously "intent" in hiding his crime, but was that crime murder? As far as I can see, that is what this is about, whether there was "intent" to kill. If there was no "intent" to kill it's not murder, it's manslaughter. This is the point the Hypothetical is trying to illuminate.
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Reply #523 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 2:07pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 2:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:56pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 9:17am:
Well, the Appeal has now been lodged.

I can't wait to hear the outcome.


How about you tell us what, in your opinion, the outcome will be, Lisa Jones?


How about you stop telling women on forums what to do, Aussie?


You are busy telling people (including Mods) what to do all the time.  I don't care if you don't offer your opinion......just so long as you don't (after the High Court decision is given) claim to have had the same opinion as theirs, whatever that be.

My opinion is that the High Court will not even grant leave to appeal.


I don't care what you think.

Your opinion about me or this matter means nothing.

That's where it's at.




Yet, you never stop posting about me or my views.  Why is that, Lisa Jones?
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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #524 - Jan 6th, 2016 at 2:09pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 2:07pm:
cods wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 8:40am:
Setanta wrote on Jan 6th, 2016 at 6:04am:
Cods, you got involved in a thread that Aussie started, surely he can post in his own thread, or do you mean once you start posting, he must stop? The hypothetical is valid as a way to demonstrate the meaning of "intent".





he started the thread if you read the title... because its how He THINKS...the man didnt mean to kill her her hide her or pretend she run off...he didnt mean any of that....

mean being intend..

of course we know who knows what he intended dont we?????...



That's the point cods, there is obviously "intent" in hiding his crime, but was that crime murder? As far as I can see, that is what this is about, whether there was "intent" to kill. If there was no "intent" to kill it's not murder, it's manslaughter. This is the point the Hypothetical is trying to illuminate.


Actually, the current appeal is based on other grounds.
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