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Reply #60 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 8:42pm

I have read the Judgement, again, especially Pg 14.

My interpretation of the decision has not changed. GUILTY of murdering his wife.

Reduced to Manslaughter because he is still in denial.

He should also get a few years for perjury.

I feel very sorry for the 2 daughters. May Gerard B-C rot in gaol or consider topping himself as he is one useless male. His kids don't need him.

RIP Allison.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38867 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #61 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 8:50pm Nice photo of a piece of expensive stuff over a cadavar. Enjoy! Tell me what was in page 14. "Perjury???????" Blaaddy hell. Let's be brutal, as one must. When it comes to guilt or not....at Law....no-one ought (or should) give a stuff about his/her kids.
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Alinta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1470 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #62 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:20pm A question as I'm not familiar with many sentencing details relating to Queensland. When Baden-Clay is resentenced for manslaughter next year, is it sent back to the Supreme Court and will it be the original trial judge who passes sentence ?????
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139923 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #63 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:22pm Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:45pm: Very disappointing! What is?
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Reply #64 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 10:16pm

Alinta wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

A question as I'm not familiar with many sentencing details relating to Queensland.

When Baden-Clay is resentenced for manslaughter next year, is it sent back to the Supreme Court and will it be the original trial judge who passes sentence ?????

Odd. Looks like the Appeal Court is going to sentence.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38867 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #65 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 10:17pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:22pm: Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:45pm: Very disappointing! What is? I've already asked Mr R. Neck that very question, and then he ran off.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139923 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #66 - Dec 8^th, 2015 at 10:26pm Aussie wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 10:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:22pm: Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:45pm: Very disappointing! What is? I've already asked Mr R. Neck that very question, and then he ran off. It was a strange comment. I'd really like to hear his answer.
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Reply #67 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 12:51pm

This is what's called A DOG'S BREAKFAST...A DOG'S LEGAL BREAKSFAST.

Right before your eyes ladies and gentlemen. You see a convicted Murderer turned into some sort of lame arse crim who accidentally killed his wife...I know a crock of sh.t when I see one.

And I am looking at one.

Are all the Queensland Judges..dickheads of the first degree like these three, Larry, Moe and Curlys'?

God help Queensland!

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139923 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #68 - Dec 9^th, 2015 at 12:53pm red baron wrote on Dec 9^th, 2015 at 12:51pm: ...I know a crock of sh.t when I see one. Yet you support Trump.
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Reply #69 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 1:50pm

Probably the best thing that can happen now is for the judge to sentence Baden-Clay to life imprisonment, which is the maximum penalty for manslaughter. If this was manslaughter, then it was a particularly severe case of manslaughter, and should warrant the maximum penalty.

Of course that is not what is going to happen, even though judges do take into account community standards.

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Reply #70 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:24pm

John_Taverner wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Probably the best thing that can happen now is for the judge to sentence Baden-Clay to life imprisonment, which is the maximum penalty for manslaughter. If this was manslaughter, then it was a particularly severe case of manslaughter, and should warrant the maximum penalty.

Of course that is not what is going to happen, even though judges do take into account community standards.

So you would punish someone who had no intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm in the same way you would someone who killed with that specific explicit intent?

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Reply #71 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:33pm

wonder I have just signed an APPEAL to this most heinous of decisions....

it been put out by the Missing Persons of Australia and I was glad to sign it..

its good people can let the powers that be know.. what they are thinking..

.greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

Very disappointing!

What is?

this decision... what else???>..

why do you need everything spelt out for you..

you are so childish.. Angry

this man was found guilty by 12 of his peers.... to the charge of murder...

if anyone would like every murderer in QLD to go down this path... then this sounds like it will suit them to a tee..

why not blame the victim for being in the wrong place at the wrong time and be done with it..

wont be long before we see Brett Cowan take the same route..

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Reply #72 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:36pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Probably the best thing that can happen now is for the judge to sentence Baden-Clay to life imprisonment, which is the maximum penalty for manslaughter. If this was manslaughter, then it was a particularly severe case of manslaughter, and should warrant the maximum penalty.

Of course that is not what is going to happen, even though judges do take into account community standards.

So you would punish someone who had no intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm in the same way you would someone who killed with that specific explicit intent?

how do you KNOW he didnt intend to kill...

if it was an accident why hide her and pretend she'd run away..

the man has no credibility at all...

other than he is a man killing a women..

yet you would give him the benefit of the doubt in this.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #73 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:36pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Probably the best thing that can happen now is for the judge to sentence Baden-Clay to life imprisonment, which is the maximum penalty for manslaughter. If this was manslaughter, then it was a particularly severe case of manslaughter, and should warrant the maximum penalty.

Of course that is not what is going to happen, even though judges do take into account community standards.

So you would punish someone who had no intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm in the same way you would someone who killed with that specific explicit intent?

You missed one thing out of that........IMO

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Reply #74 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:45pm

cods wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Probably the best thing that can happen now is for the judge to sentence Baden-Clay to life imprisonment, which is the maximum penalty for manslaughter. If this was manslaughter, then it was a particularly severe case of manslaughter, and should warrant the maximum penalty.

Of course that is not what is going to happen, even though judges do take into account community standards.

So you would punish someone who had no intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm in the same way you would someone who killed with that specific explicit intent?

how do you KNOW he didnt intend to kill...

if it was an accident why hide her and pretend she'd run away..

the man has no credibility at all...

other than he is a man killing a women..

yet you would give him the benefit of the doubt in this.. Roll Eyes

Yes, I do, because that it the Law and has been for close on two hundred years.......guilt must be proven on evidence presented in Court and considered by a Jury, beyond reasonable doubt. That a fundamental cornerstone of the British system of criminal justice which Australia inherited.

Intent to kill or do grievous bodily harm is an essential element of murder, and it must be so proven beyond reasonable doubt.

That is impossible when on the evidence, there are plausible explanations for the relevant conduct other than....an intent to kill or do grievous bodily harm.

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