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Reply #660 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 5:54pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 1:20pm:

cods wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

Panther wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:56am:

MHO.....judge only trials are too subject to individual corruption, for it's far to easy to develop bias in the mind of a single jurist, as opposed to 12 average, basically honest & unbiased people, examined by both the prosecution & defense to be so, who are set to decide your fate to the best of their ability based on fact & truth.

Judge only trials are too often the tools of a tyrannical government, far too disinterested in truth & justice.

i dont see that at all.. our system is pretty well in safe hands..for the most part....I wouldnt like it like America where they get elected to the bench...

what annoys me with this appeal judgement..its all about interpretation....and we each see things differently.....

we can read the simplest sentence in different ways..

just look at how we read HISTORY...politics... we arent there so we put our own spin on what we THINK HAPPENED...and each one is different...

its the way we are...we are not programmed

and I am sorry but manslaughter and murder....are two totally different things....

and to bring it down to the interpretation of the law

as 3 wisemen would reason it...

they do after all have other cases to compare with...

but which no jury would have reason to know about.. in fact an awful lot is withheld from juries........

it is imo wrong..

nothing we can do about it.. we have to accept the verdict when it comes.. but we dont have to like it.. if it remains manslaughter.....

There speaks the voice of absolute lack of experience..

would you care to explain that with a little more detail Mr grappler the man who writes fantasy stories about himself..a women hater of some renown...

and I am sure he already knows that this women asked for it...

like they all do..when it comes to domestic violence..... its the men who do the suffering...

so lets hear your words of wisdom as to why your experience is worth more than mine????>..

thank you!

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Reply #661 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 5:58pm

red baron wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 5:30pm:

At what point during that desperate struggle for her life ...

Woah there boy!

Are you withholding information from the police, Red Baron.

And cods, too.

She seems to be certain that only one other person was at the scene.

The sooner our courts start listening to glorified parking inspectors and bored housewives, the better it'll be for all of us.

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Reply #662 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 5:58pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 5:30pm:

Let's have a good look at these words supplied courtesy of Aussie's Newspaper article:

In the judgement handed down on Tuesday, the Court of Appeal said while Baden-Clay lied about the cause of scratches on his face and tried to hide his wife's body, there was a reasonable hypothesis he was innocent of murder.

It could not be ruled out that there was a physical confrontation in which Allison fell and hit her head, the ruling by Chief Justice Catherine Holmes, Justice Hugh Fraser and Justice Robert Gotterson found.

"Smothering, the crown's thesis, was a reasonable possibility, but while there was also another reasonable possibility available on the evidence, the jury could not properly have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the element of intent to kill or do grievous bodily harm had been proved," Justice Fraser wrote in Tuesday's findings.

The Court apparently was satisfied that Gerard lied about the scratches on his face and that he tried to hide the body.

O.K....so the court is satisfied he killed her and there was a struggle and further that he did indeed hide her body.

Where does it come from that he didn't murder her?...He killed her didn't he? At what point during that desperate struggle for her life did Allison become reduced from an intended murder victim to a victim of accidental death?

I'm, damned how I can see that the Judges found this, given that he had high motivation in her being dead for the insurance money. These lofty Judges are so far removed from the real world they need to get out more often.

Judge Fraser the Jury DID find reasonable cause and you and your idiot other two colleagues have watered down a very sound decision by a just Jury.

Here is a link to the OFFICIAL text of the Appeal Decision (in case you missed it).

http://archive.sclqld.org.au/qjudgment/2015/QCA15-265.pdf

As if you could miss it. It is in the opening post, and you reminded me of that not long after the opening post.

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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #666 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:04pm Aussie, your, so-called, Opening Post only has a link to an article on the ABC site, NOT the OFFICIAL DOCUMENT/JUDGEMENT like I posted.
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Reply #667 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:07pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:04pm:

Aussie, your, so-called, Opening Post only has a link to an article on the ABC site, NOT the OFFICIAL DOCUMENT/JUDGEMENT like I posted. Roll Eyes

Nah. It contains the Appeal Court decision. Why are you so hairy chested about it. Who cares. The decision has been available to read since the first post.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #668 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:11pm Know what I did in my previous post Aussie and Greggary? Based on the evidence presented I hypothesised at how Gerard murdered his wife. After all, if its fair for the three wise monkeys to hypothesise how her life ended then why not me?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140099 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #669 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:15pm red baron wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:11pm: Know what I did in my previous post Aussie and Greggary? Based on the evidence presented I hypothesised at how Gerard murdered his wife. After all, if its fair for the three wise monkeys to hypothesise how her life ended then why not me? They're qualified.
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Reply #670 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:19pm

red baron wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

Know what I did in my previous post Aussie and Greggary?

Based on the evidence presented I hypothesised at how Gerard murdered his wife.

After all, if its fair for the three wise monkeys to hypothesise how her life ended then why not me?

Ah, Grasshopper.....you are closer now to enlightenment! Yeas you have hypothesised. Now.....the last step for you........do you agree that while a reasonable hypothesis inconsistent with an intent to kill remains open, proof beyond reasonable doubt of that intent is just not there?

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Reply #671 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:31am

That's bullsh.it Gregg. They are no more qualified than you and I when it comes to 'hypothesising'. You don't get it do you? Can't you see where the Law and Justice stops and the bullsh.t begins.

In this case it began when the three wise monkeys hypothesised their way from a Jury Murder Conviction to a Manslaughter Conviction for Gerard Baden-Clay...that's when all of their qualifications went down the shitter!

And all their gowns and all their degrees hanging on the wall couldn't stop them looking like the village idiots. Analogy see 'The Emperor's New Clothes'.

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Reply #672 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:39am

red baron wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

That's bullsh.it Gregg. They are no more qualified than you and I when it comes to 'hypothesising'. You don't get it do you? Can't you see where the Law and Justice stops and the bullsh.t begins.

In this case it began when the three wise monkeys hypothesised their way from a Jury Murder Conviction to a Manslaughter Conviction for Gerard Baden-Clay...that's when all of their qualifications went down the shitter!

And all their gowns and all their degrees hanging on the wall couldn't stop them looking like the village idiots. Analogy see 'The Emperor's New Clothes'.

Oh, I get it alright.

You don't, however.

I understand how the law works, and I'm able to view situations like this objectively.

The only thing that matters to you, is that the court makes a decision that reflects your own personal view (based on the (mis)information you've gathered from ACA, 60 Minutes, and Facebook).

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Reply #673 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:55am

Actually Gregg, I gathered the majority of my information from the Court Papers.

I take it from your comments that you consider your own running commentary on this horsesh.t, you must if you draw a line through what you consider to be worthy comment and what isn't.

You see, unlike you, just because someone has a roll of paper under their arm and a black dressing gown on, I don't believe they can recognise the truth any easier than someone with a semblance of a brain can.

I don't put anyone above me. Life has taught me that there are a lot of bullsh.itters out there and none more so than those walking around in the legal profession.

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Reply #674 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:04pm

red baron wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:55am:

Actually Gregg, I gathered the majority of my information from the Court Papers.

I take it from your comments that you consider your own running commentary on this horsesh.t, you must if you draw a line through what you consider to be worthy comment and what isn't.

You see, unlike you, just because someone has a roll of paper under their arm and a black dressing gown on, I don't believe they can recognise the truth any easier than someone with a semblance of a brain can.

I don't put anyone above me. Life has taught me that there are a lot of bullsh.itters out there and none more so than those walking around in the legal profession.

I rest my case.

You're exactly the same as cods: you don't care what the law says.

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