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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #840 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:48pm

Kytro wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:41pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:30pm:

Kytro wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:32am:

And the stats to date are against success.

I know all this.

Still, I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic.....and wait.

The appeal is mostly due to public pressure, which isn't a matter of law.They might just get lucky, but I wouldn't expect it.

The fact the charge downgrade occurred at all is because of the evidence that exists. People might feel that it's unjust, but it's more unjust to convict when there is another plausible explanation.

I disagree.

Thanks for your opinion though. You're entitled to it I guess.

By ignoring a reasonable alternative, you lead to people being convicted of crimes they have not committed. How would that be just?

In this case it might not be true, but that still needs to be demonstrated.

And it no doubt will IF the application succeeds.

Oh and I still disagree with your opinion re the appeal.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140142 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #841 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:48pm Neferti wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:47pm: He SMOTHERED her. Excuse me?
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Reply #842 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:51pm

Alinta wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

"Now bring on the haters.....

My personal view is he done it - but I can't prove it."

When I toss off my legal hat, my personal view is murder..........not premeditated murder, but when push came to shove during the altercation, intent to kill then formed in his mind.....

Put my legal hat back on and as you say Grappler.......on the evidence, not proven.

Alinta, you seem to have current access to Registries. Can you put up a copy of the actual Appeal (to the High Court) document?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140142 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #843 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:52pm Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 9:51am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 9:40am: So, you're hoping for an outcome that fits in best with your personal views, rather than an objectively just outcome - is that correct? No. So, you'll accept the outcome no matter what happens?
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Reply #844 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:53pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Most of us couldn't give a rats arse what happens to GBC.

He has, ostensibly, gotten away with MURDER. Hopefully, while he is incarcerated, he will get "close" to a cell mate and skite about how he "got away with it". They ALL end up telling their "story" to someone, eventually.

He SMOTHERED her.

He interfered with her body.

He LIED for a week or more.

He still thinks he did "nothing wrong". Yet he is incarcerated for "Life" and he wants to get out in 10 years. WHO is paying for this? The Queensland TAXPAYER?

Nef.

In the Court of Public Opinion it was MURDER.

Proving murder according to the strict rules of evidence in actual court? Well that's another matter.

I personally hope the application proceeds for a number of reasons.

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Reply #845 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:55pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Most of us couldn't give a rats arse what happens to GBC.

He has, ostensibly, gotten away with MURDER. Hopefully, while he is incarcerated, he will get "close" to a cell mate and skite about how he "got away with it". They ALL end up telling their "story" to someone, eventually.

He SMOTHERED her.

He interfered with her body.

He LIED for a week or more.

He still thinks he did "nothing wrong". Yet he is incarcerated for "Life" and he wants to get out in 10 years. WHO is paying for this? The Queensland TAXPAYER?

Nef.

In the Court of Public Opinion it was MURDER.

Proving murder according to the strict rules of evidence in actual court? Well that's another matter.

I personally hope the application proceeds for a number of reasons.

Will you accept the outcome, no matter what happens?

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Reply #846 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:56pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Most of us couldn't give a rats arse what happens to GBC.

He has, ostensibly, gotten away with MURDER. Hopefully, while he is incarcerated, he will get "close" to a cell mate and skite about how he "got away with it". They ALL end up telling their "story" to someone, eventually.

He SMOTHERED her.

He interfered with her body.

He LIED for a week or more.

He still thinks he did "nothing wrong". Yet he is incarcerated for "Life" and he wants to get out in 10 years. WHO is paying for this? The Queensland TAXPAYER?

Nef.

In the Court of Public Opinion it was MURDER.

Proving murder according to the strict rules of evidence in actual court? Well that's another matter.

I personally hope the application proceeds for a number of reasons.

So you keep saying, yet you have advanced nothing other than hollow gibberish.

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Reply #847 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:03pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Most of us couldn't give a rats arse what happens to GBC.

He has, ostensibly, gotten away with MURDER. Hopefully, while he is incarcerated, he will get "close" to a cell mate and skite about how he "got away with it". They ALL end up telling their "story" to someone, eventually.

He SMOTHERED her.

He interfered with her body.

He LIED for a week or more.

He still thinks he did "nothing wrong". Yet he is incarcerated for "Life" and he wants to get out in 10 years. WHO is paying for this? The Queensland TAXPAYER?

Nef.

In the Court of Public Opinion it was MURDER.

Proving murder according to the strict rules of evidence in actual court? Well that's another matter.

I personally hope the application proceeds for a number of reasons.

Personal reasons?

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Reply #848 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:04pm

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Baden-Clay's lawyers have claimed that he unintentionally killed his wife

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:18am:

It seems that cods and Lisa both had loads of washing that required urgent attention.

No. The washing was done very early today here. And I only did 2 loads.

We all went to the beach.

NB. Please don't ask me what happened there. I'm still in shock to be brutally honest.

lisa dont worry about the childish put downs...when you are dealing with such powerful experienced legals as this....you should know better....

if the law is so stupid in Qld.. that they think Gerard had nothing to do with his wifes death or disappearance....then god help every women in Qld....I dont live there so its not up to me...

lets face it.. Allison is dead...gone.. almost forgotten..the law brings it down to INTENT... but even thats not the real issue.,. the issue is the instructions the judge gave the jury.......did he tell them they had to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Gerard INTENDED TO KILL HER...

they the jury thought they were there to listen to the evidence..and make a decision did he murder her or didnt he...guilty or not guilty....

no they were there to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt.......

as to what his intentions were....

I have always thought.. Laws are written by MEN with Men in Mind...

why didnt the appeal court have at least one female judge??... ooops mustnt even think like that...

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He LIED for a week or more

nef he is still lying....but even under oath thats ok..

he we keep getting told.. doesnt have to prove a thing... Roll Eyes

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Re: Baden Clay wins appeal.
Reply #849 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:06pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

Alinta wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

"Now bring on the haters.....

My personal view is he done it - but I can't prove it."

When I toss off my legal hat, my personal view is murder..........not premeditated murder, but when push came to shove during the altercation, intent to kill then formed in his mind.....

Put my legal hat back on and as you say Grappler.......on the evidence, not proven.

Alinta, you seem to have current access to Registries. Can you put up a copy of the actual Appeal (to the High Court) document?

Regrettably I don't have access to the HC Registry...

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Reply #850 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:07pm

cods wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

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Baden-Clay's lawyers have claimed that he unintentionally killed his wife

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:18am:

It seems that cods and Lisa both had loads of washing that required urgent attention.

No. The washing was done very early today here. And I only did 2 loads.

We all went to the beach.

NB. Please don't ask me what happened there. I'm still in shock to be brutally honest.

Lisa dont worry about the childish put downs...when you are dealing with such inexperienced, unemployed nobodies as this....you should know better.

if the law is so stupid in Qld.. that they think Gerard had nothing to do with his wifes death or disappearance....then god help every women in Qld....I dont live there so its not up to me...

lets face it.. Allison is dead...gone.. almost forgotten..the law brings it down to INTENT... but even thats not the real issue.,. the issue is the instructions the judge gave the jury.......did he tell them they had to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Gerard INTENDED TO KILL HER...

they the jury thought they were there to listen to the evidence..and make a decision did he murder her or didnt he...guilty or not guilty....

no they were there to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt.......

as to what his intentions were....

I have always thought.. Laws are written by MEN with Men in Mind...

why didnt the appeal court have at least one female judge??... ooops mustnt even think like that...

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He LIED for a week or more

nef he is still lying....but even under oath thats ok..

he we keep getting told.. doesnt have to prove a thing... Roll Eyes

Fixed.

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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #851 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:07pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:48pm: Neferti wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:47pm: He SMOTHERED her. Excuse me? What did you think he did to her then?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140142 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #852 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:08pm Neferti wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:48pm: Neferti wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 3:47pm: He SMOTHERED her. Excuse me? What did you think he did to her then? I have absolutely no idea what happened to that poor woman. Who told you that he smothered her?
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Mod. Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1197 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #853 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:11pm Quote: why didnt the appeal court have at least one female judge??... ooops mustnt even think like that... It did, as you have been told at least twice already.
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Reply #854 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 4:11pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3375639/Gerard-Baden-Clay-called-wife-Al...

Hmmm........

Gerard Baden-Clay called his wife Allison's life insurers a week BEFORE he killed her - and police believe it shows he was 'financially motivated' to murder her

Gerard Baden-Clay called his wife Allison's life insurer before he killed her

Detectives believe call may have proved he was financially motivated

His murder conviction was downgraded to manslaughter earlier this month

He was found guilty last year of killing Allison and sentenced to life in jail.

Now for the best part......

Detectives believe they could show Gerard Baden-Clay was financially motivated to kill his wife Allison despite an appeal's decision saying there was no evidence of a motive to kill when his murder conviction was downgraded to manslaughter.

Baden-Clay reportedly made a call to Allison's life insurers a week before he killed her, which detectives believe could have proved he murdered his wife for money, the Courier Mail reports.

The decision by prosecutors to NOT concentrate on Allison's life insurance was mentioned when the 45-year-old's murder conviction was downgraded to manslaughter earlier this month in the Queensland Court of Appeal.

Big Mistake!

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