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Reply #900 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:34pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

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Yeas, I know, but I'm willing to wallow as a community service. I'm that kinda guy, you know.

Just an afterthought.....can you imagine the bullshit which would stay up/be posted here and be taken as gospel by the gullible? [highlight] I think I should be the 2016 Australian of the Year as a reward for the sacrifice I have made and the excellent community service delivered!

Yup, Biggest Loser of Taxi Licences. Did Centrelink cut off your Pension? Grin

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Reply #901 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:41pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:55pm:

His financial affairs were dreadful and it has been quoted 'that they were on the bones of their financial arse'.

Indeed.

That doesn't prove that he was motivated by an insurance payout though.

Stop making excuses for the jerk. He killed her. Then moved her body and threw it over a bridge like a bit of rubbish. Why or How he did it is irrelevant. He is still GUILTY of MURDER and should get LIFE. Who else was there to commit this crime? His 3 little kids? Sure. That's it. They all teamed up and captured her and "something" went wrong and she suffocated ....... too bad, so sad. For dog's sake!

Nah. He is guilty of manslaughter. Huge difference, even in Canberra.

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Reply #902 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:42pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 2:00pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:55pm:

His financial affairs were dreadful and it has been quoted 'that they were on the bones of their financial arse'.

Indeed.

That doesn't prove that he was motivated by an insurance payout though.

Stop making excuses for the jerk.

I'm not making excuses for anyone.

I'm merely stating the facts.

Why are you so unwilling to accept the truth?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140152 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #903 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:44pm Neferti wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:31pm: Why or How he did it is irrelevant. Ah, I see. Changed your mind about the 'smothering', hey?
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Reply #904 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:44pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:31pm:

Why or How he did it is irrelevant.

Ah, I see.

Changed your mind about the 'smothering', hey?

The "smothering" thing was a "maybe" by the bloke who performed the autopsy. It says so in that report.

Who do you think killed Alison? She topped herself? That's what Gerbil said .... "oh, she WAS depressed", blah blah blah.

Anyway, I don't care any more. There are other Queensland MURDERS to read up on. Wink

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Reply #905 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 4:01pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:54pm:

The "smothering" thing was a "maybe" by the bloke who performed the autopsy. It says so in that report.

Ah, you have changed your mind. Good.

At first, you said: "He SMOTHERED her."

When I asked you "Who told you that he smothered her?", you said "READ IT. The OFFICIAL AUTOPSY!"

And, as we all know, the autopsy does not say that he smothered her.

It says "Cause of Death cannot be determined ... ".

It's good to clear these things up.

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Reply #906 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 4:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 3:54pm:

The "smothering" thing was a "maybe" by the bloke who performed the autopsy. It says so in that report.

Ah, you have changed your mind. Good.

At first, you said: "He SMOTHERED her."

When I asked you "Who told you that he smothered her?", you said "READ IT. The OFFICIAL AUTOPSY!"

And, as we all know, the autopsy does not say that he smothered her.

It says "Cause of Death cannot be determined ... ".

It's good to clear these things up.

You haven't said ANYTHING worthwhile, you just hit the "I disagree" button .... EXCEPT THAT YOU SEEM TO THINK HE IS INNOCENT and probably should be APOLOGISED to for the JURY finding him GUILTY.

You should be so lucky that NOTHING dreadful ever happens to you and your family.

You may be a "progressive" Greg but you certainly do NOT have any empathy.

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Reply #907 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:12pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:

You haven't said ANYTHING worthwhile, you just hit the "I disagree" button .... EXCEPT THAT YOU SEEM TO THINK HE IS INNOCENT and probably should be APOLOGISED to for the JURY finding him GUILTY.

You should be so lucky that NOTHING dreadful ever happens to you and your family.

You may be a "progressive" Greg but you certainly do NOT have any empathy.

nef you dont understand ..

you are not allowed to disagree with the COURT especially with the court of appeal...and now two people on here...

who know the LAW IS RIGHT>. and of course that makes them right...

it must be lovely to have the court of appeal judges.. two men and one super lady.. agree with you....can you imagine being in that sort of company..

always right...

goodness me....its so powerful...

the thing is we know how we think nef....

.and we think the LAW is an ass... and its our right to think that..

.after all how can anyone possibley know what someones INTENTION WAS beyond a reasonable doubt...

when you think of all the stress he was under..

I would think he was like a coil

and any one little trigger would make him snap......

I mean we often hear it in other cases...

"I dont know why I did it I just snapped."

...a spur of the moment thing...

why not Gerard?>...

ahhhhh but its his INTENTIONS THAT MATTER.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #909 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:27pm

How Aussie can you say with a straight face (although I admit that's easy for a Lawyer) that the prospects of getting $967,000 was not a huge motivation for Gerard who was under an enormous financial burden.

He was literally going broke.

Then his personal life was a train wreck, he and his wife had counselling but then he would turn around and go back for more with McHugh.

His life literally was a 'bomb' about to go off.

And go off it did when he Murdered his wife.

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Reply #910 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:31pm

red baron wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:27pm:

How Aussie can you say with a straight face (although I admit that's easy for a Lawyer) that the prospects of getting $967,000 was not a huge motivation for Gerard who was under an enormous financial burden.

He was literally going broke.

Then his personal life was a train wreck, he and his wife had counselling but then he would turn around and go back for more with McHugh.

His life literally was a 'bomb' about to go off.

And go off it did when he Murdered his wife.

I wonder how many bankrupted adulterers have murdered their well insured spouses?

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Reply #911 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:44pm

Neferti wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Here is an opinion from a Verified Attorney on the Websleuth's site.

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He has been found responsible for unlawfully killing Allison, just without an intent proven.

He has admitted to nothing, he has never said anything other than he didn't kill his wife and doesn't know what happened to her. The arguments by his lawyers in the appeal are legal hypotheticals arguing the jury did not have enough evidence to find intent to kill.

A manslaughter verdict as it is an unlawfull killing ie there is no defence to the killing like self defence for eg, means that he is excluded from benefiting from her estate.

Re the sentencing, all the lies and post conduct of dumping her under the bridge and no admissions or any remorse whatsoever, will have great weight in determining the sentence. Manslaughter has the same max sentence as murder being 15 yrs except that it is not mandatory so the sentencing judge will decide the jail term. The sentence should still be substantial and he should do several more years in jail is my guess and hope.

I don't think there will be any more appeals. I think this is how it will end up. Also there won't be any civil litigation against him as he has no money.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?272402-Gerard-Baden-Clay-s-murde...

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Reply #912 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:48pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:44pm:

Neferti wrote on Dec 8^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Here is an opinion from a Verified Attorney on the Websleuth's site.

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He has been found responsible for unlawfully killing Allison, just without an intent proven.

He has admitted to nothing, he has never said anything other than he didn't kill his wife and doesn't know what happened to her. The arguments by his lawyers in the appeal are legal hypotheticals arguing the jury did not have enough evidence to find intent to kill.

A manslaughter verdict as it is an unlawfull killing ie there is no defence to the killing like self defence for eg, means that he is excluded from benefiting from her estate.

Re the sentencing, all the lies and post conduct of dumping her under the bridge and no admissions or any remorse whatsoever, will have great weight in determining the sentence. Manslaughter has the same max sentence as murder being 15 yrs except that it is not mandatory so the sentencing judge will decide the jail term. The sentence should still be substantial and he should do several more years in jail is my guess and hope.

I don't think there will be any more appeals. I think this is how it will end up. Also there won't be any civil litigation against him as he has no money.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?272402-Gerard-Baden-Clay-s-murde...

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Well...we can dismiss s/him as being pretty dumb. There has been an Appeal.

He also has no idea about the penalty for manslaughter.....which (maximum) is life...not 15 years.

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Reply #913 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:52pm

What a naive thing to say Aussie. Following this case it has already shown that Gerard 'was a piece of work' he even cheated on his mistress when he was at a conference in Sydney.

Also Gerard has shown nil grief publicly, at the death of his wife, I'm not qualified to call him a sociopath but he sure shows the signs.

How many adulterers are sociopaths?

The average time served for Manslaughter is 6 years

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Reply #914 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 6:18pm

He's a grub , he murdered his wife

technicalities & lawyers piffle aside

the bloke deserves life

it may be manslaughter if you strike out in the heat of an argument & your partner dies

but when you transport & dump her body, make out she's missing, show no emotion & play the victim

then you're a callous, lying, conniving sick son of a b1tch

& you deserve life in the slot

despite the legals ... it shows that the law still can be an ass.

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