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Re: Ever wondered why?
Reply #30 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:28pm

issuevoter wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

Moses: "You ever wonder why muslims are so stupid as to jump into leaky boats, overload them to point of absolute absurdity? These brain dead idiots are going to paradise if they drown."

Of course, they always have paradise for back up. But the number-one reason is a chance at taking advantage of gullible Western legal systems in the spread of Islam. Which is also the reason why people like Gandalf and David Hicks don't move to Mecca.

Exactly, they need to ruin other peoples societies before moving on. Like termites.

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Reply #31 - Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:47pm

issuevoter wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

Moses: "You ever wonder why muslims are so stupid as to jump into leaky boats, overload them to point of absolute absurdity? These brain dead idiots are going to paradise if they drown."

Of course, they always have paradise for back up. But the number-one reason is a chance at taking advantage of gullible Western legal systems in the spread of Islam. Which is also the reason why people like Gandalf and David Hicks don't move to Mecca.

We all have access to paradise, Issue but only if we seek it first, in this life. A life of sadness, bitterness and futility only leads to hell.

A life of wonder leads to paradise, as every school child knows.

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Re: Ever wondered why?
Reply #33 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 4:11pm

You wonder why muslims are incessantly killing people? muslims non muslims, it makes no difference, the killings go on.

The meaning of islam is submission to the will of
allah.

islam divides the world into dar al-islam, literally the house or region of submission, those lands under muslim / sharia government

The remainder is called dar al-harb, the house or region of war, those lands where muslims (as you think a muslim should be) are in the minority.

This differentiation between people does not only mean muslim and non muslim.

Any muslims who lives under a dissimilar code (don't submit to allah exactly the way you think they should) can be slotted into dar al-harb.

The muslims who all live and want sharia law, consider muslims who are not totally committed to sharia to be in dar al-harb, hence the everlasting killing of each other.

For muslims peace cannot be achieved untill the whole world is dar al-islam.

Until that time there will be conflict in dar al-harb.

The trouble is the pro sharia extremists are the higher grade of muslim according to islam and muslims and their apologists stay well away from doing something about the evil in the qur'an.

As I've always said islam is divinely led by a doctrine of death and destruction.

There will never be peace on earth until muslims expunge the hatred and childish stupidity from their sacred texts.

Problem is they can't without destroying islam, so they are quiet happy for islamic sponsored human misery to run unabated, rather than acknowledge that islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an simply are not acceptable in any decent 21st century civilized society.

islam is a 7th century handbook for committing human rights atrocities against any of your fellow man you differ with.

Google dar al-islam dar al-harb

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Reply #34 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 7:23pm

What moses stated, in post #33, .....is a fair assessment, imo.

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Google;

Koran, is, a terrorist instruction manual

n.b.
Every devout moslem, considers the words, the content, of the Koran to be a holy guide [as per, Allah's words], as to how a devout moslem should live his life, every day.

gandalf,

Any contest, on the claim i have made, above ['Every devout moslem, considers the words, the content,....'] ?

Google;

parallels between Islam and the Mafia

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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0
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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers'].

.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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And your own moslem 'friend(s)' ???

QUESTION;

If your own moslem 'friend', is indeed a moslem, .....then where does his/her real allegiance and real friendship lay ?

Google;

we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

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Quote:

July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137149 Gender:	Re: Ever wondered why? Reply #35 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 8:23pm moses wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:08pm: You ever wonder why ... ... Yadda is allowed to be out in public? Yes. Every day.
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Reply #36 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

moses wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

You ever wonder why ...

... Yadda is allowed to be out in public?

Yes. Every day.

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/16181215/6/stock-photo-16181215-cr...

"Yadda is allowed to be out in public?"

Yeah, that fact must really 'grate' with someone like yourself.

That i am a person who can freely walk the streets of Australia.

And that i can freely express my opinions and views, on a public forum like OzPol, here in Australia.

The poor thing that you are.

greggery,

Yeah, people like me, should not be permitted to open their mouths.

That is correct.

Yes ?

And, that is YOUR opinion, on the issue of free and open debate, .....on a public forum like OzPol, here in Australia.

greggery,

You are a FASCIST BIGOT.

Don't deny it.

Concise Ox Dictionary;

bigot = =
a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.

n.b.
Bigots, are those people who are,
".....intolerant of the opinions of others."

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Yadda said....
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I have been 60+ years on this planet, and have been a peaceable and law abiding Australian citizen.

I have never been to goal.

I have never been charged with, nor convicted of, any criminal offence.

I have never had a drink driving charge or conviction.

I have never had an illicit drug possession/use charge or conviction.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Ever wondered why?
Reply #37 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:38pm

Yes, Greggery, we all wonder why. We also wonder why we do not allow ourselves to be in private, within ourselves.

Coming to know thyself is the only way to paradise. The Kingdom, as we know, lies within. We must keep wondering why. Why?

Oh, we can fill our minds and our worlds with words. We can fill up our days with the words and deeds of others, blaming evil-doers, blaming justice, blaming God Himself. We can point out the mote in the eye of our brother, because it’s all so hard to cast out the beam in our own.

But we can only change by wondering why. Yes, why do we allow ourselves to be in public? But why not in private, within ourselves?

God may take away our hands, our tongues, our eyes. But we are all still free to wonder why.

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Reply #38 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:45pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

moses wrote on Dec 10^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

You ever wonder why ...

... Yadda is allowed to be out in public?

Yes. Every day.

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/16181215/6/stock-photo-16181215-cr...

"Yadda is allowed to be out in public?"

Yeah, that fact must really 'grate' with someone like yourself.

That i am a person who can freely walk the streets of Australia.

And that i can freely express my opinions and views, on a public forum like OzPol, here in Australia.

The poor thing that you are.

greggery,

Yeah, people like me, should not be permitted to open their mouths.

That is correct.

Yes ?

And, that is YOUR opinion, on the issue of free and open debate, .....on a public forum like OzPol, here in Australia.

greggery,

You are a FASCIST BIGOT.

Don't deny it.

Concise Ox Dictionary;

bigot = =
a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.

n.b.
Bigots, are those people who are,
".....intolerant of the opinions of others."

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Yadda said....
Quote:

I have been 60+ years on this planet, and have been a peaceable and law abiding Australian citizen.

I have never been to goal.

I have never been charged with, nor convicted of, any criminal offence.

I have never had a drink driving charge or conviction.

I have never had an illicit drug possession/use charge or conviction.

Google

As you can see, Yadda also wonders why.

Y?

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Reply #39 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 10:18pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

greggery,

Yeah, people like me, should not be permitted to open their mouths.

That is correct.

Yes ?

And, that is YOUR opinion, on the issue of free and open debate

, .....on a public forum like OzPol, here in Australia.

greggery,

You are a FASCIST BIGOT.

Don't deny it.

Concise Ox Dictionary;

bigot = =
a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.

n.b.
Bigots, are those people who are,
".....intolerant of the opinions of others."

greggery,

I do not want to restrict expression, and free and open debate,       .....on a public forum.

I want people to tell me their point of view,    .....and i want them to defend it, if they can,       .....in free and open debate.

The expression of IDEAS, in an environment of free and open debate, is politically healthy.

Free and open debate,       ....is a contest of IDEAS !!!

e.g.
A person like

Donald Trump

?

If you disagree with his opinions and views, express that disagreement.

But don't try to gag him, don't try to silence his views, his opinion, by shouting him down, or by denying him a forum to speak.

If you disagree with his opinions and views, debate him, DEFEAT HIM IN FREE AND OPEN DEBATE, ....if you think that your own opinion and views, are superior to his.

But you, and people from your side of politics [and, moslems too], .....they are the ones who simply want to 'shut down' and silence, ....anyone who does not agree with their worldview.

QUESTION;

Why would you do that ???

Why would you support that kind of political 'climate' or political 'environment' ???

A political 'environment', where only the powerful and only those who are 'approved', ....are allowed to express an opinion ???

greggery,

That is how DICTATORS and DICTATORSHIPS 'work'.

That is how FASCISTS and FASCIST GOVERNMENTS 'work'.

They seize political power, .....and then they shut down all public expression which could be critical of their rule, and of their conduct.

greggery,

Again, you are a FASCIST BIGOT.

That is what is in your heart.

i.e.
Murder.

That is the way to silence people, and every fascist knows that.

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Reply #40 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 10:30pm

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Yes Karnal.

No need to enter into reasoned debate.

No need to present an argument [....that you would then have to be prepared to defend].

Just denigrate me.

Just disparage me.

Dictionary;
denigrate = = criticize unfairly; disparage.

Dictionary;
disparage = = represent as being of little worth; scorn.

Yep, you are a real intellectual giant, aren't you Karnal.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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abdullah Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 195 Gender:	Re: Ever wondered why? Reply #41 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 10:40pm Intellectual giant ????
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Ever wondered why? Reply #42 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 10:55pm I think Karnal has a bit of a drinking problem.
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Reply #43 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 11:04pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 10:18pm:

But you, and people from your side of politics [and, moslems too],          .....they are the ones who simply want to 'shut down' and silence,       ....anyone who does not agree with their worldview.

QUESTION;

Why would you do that ???

Why would you support that kind of political 'climate' or political 'environment' ???

A political 'environment', where only the powerful and only those who are 'approved',    ....are allowed to express an opinion ???

greggery,

That is how DICTATORS and DICTATORSHIPS 'work'.

That is how FASCISTS and FASCIST GOVERNMENTS 'work'.

They seize political power,       .....and then they shut down all public expression which could be critical of their rule, and of their conduct.

"They seize political power, .....and then they shut down all public expression which could be critical of their rule, and of their conduct."

An example of this is happening today, right in front of our eyes !!

Turkey.

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abdullah Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 195 Gender:	Re: Ever wondered why? Reply #44 - Dec 11^th, 2015 at 11:36pm ian wrote on Dec 11^th, 2015 at 10:55pm: I think Karnal has a bit of a drinking problem. LOL
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