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Reply #270 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:34am

Stratos wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:08am:

Jasmine wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:02am:

Lol you are so funny with your little report.

It's fine if you disagree with it, just post specifically what you think is wrong with it and show evidence for any claims you make. I'll not hold my breath.

No need to hold your breath why would you do that its just a message board and we both know we won't change each others views. I have already stated my position numerous times with quotes regarding this. That is more than enough.

Someone else might like to pick up the slack.

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Reply #271 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:44am

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:12am:

The dopey dim witted anti facists are sticking up for Islam.

The Saudis,Iran,al shaabab, Taliban,Boko Haram, the Islamic state all have a facist government ruling them.

The anti facists defend this islamofacism.

I was going to say yeah its hilarious but it isn't. Sure the joke is on the dim witted lefties that fall for ANTIFA's slogans. Even more ironic is ANTIFA is supposed to stand for ANTI FASCIST now that IS hilarious in context. The left and uni students all line up and ANTIFA turn up hiding there faces. Yes we know why, because they know what they really stand for, their suckered rent a crowd does not.

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Jasmine New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20 Gender:	Re: Massive Crowd For Cronulla Riots' 10th Anniversity Reply #272 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:46am Happy 10th Anniversary guys anyways - and it was nice to see ANTIFA get arrested yet again and make fools of themselves one more time.
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Reply #273 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:50am

Jasmine wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:29am:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Jasmine wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:52am:

It is interesting that if you disagree that it usually resorts to this silly word. Islamophobe. As if it adds some credence to their stance or argument.

It is much like homophobe if you speak out against the rampant flow of aids through the gay community. You usually cop that one in the face.

The ironic thing about this comment is that it is half correct...

Only half though, because the other half of the comment should have read, it is equally interesting if you disagree with the other perspective you're a Muslim apologist or a terrorist sympathiser... Or, with regard to arguing with homophobes - you are a gay lover, you are gay or a pervert...

Perspective is a funny thing when viewed from a perspective or reality.

Well Islamophobe and Homophobe idicate a fear of them when in reality its not the case. Speak out against or exposing someone is not usually a phobia thats a cop out.

An apologist is usually an apologist.

Regarding gays that same thing, people aren't phobic of gays to speak out against disease and their practices. Then again someone on the other side of the fence may very well be a pervert, gay lover or gay, throw in gay liker and there you have it.

My comment was more revolving around the childish phobia inventions more to the point that we seem to see from these fringe minorities.

I hope that explains it better.

When irrational fear underpins an argument, it is quite reasonable to suggest a phobia.

An apologist is usually an apologist? Well, a phobia sufferer is usually suffering an irrational fear... That's not a great response from you. Sticking a label on it is just sticking a label on it to further your own beliefs... That's what the phobia and/or apologist labels have become...

So speaking out against Homosexuals (regardless of how ill informed, irrational, illogical and devoid of fact) is not fear based, but someone defending MIGHT be a pervert.... What a typical one eyed defense. All you do here is to illustrate my point and then highlight it with bright green fluro...

Your comment, as is typical, reflects a very one sided world view, myopic in the extreme and nothing you said here clarifies anything other than your myopic world view.

Both sides of almost any debate, particularly on a tin pot internet forum stick labels on those who disagree with their perspective in an ill conceived and immature attempt to further their perceived cause.

My comment after all did not detract from your perspective of throwing around the "childish phobia inventions" it simply added to it the childish sympathiser (et al) inventions thrown around by the team targeted often with the alleged phobia inventions...

I hope that explains it better (though I am doubtful any explanation will suffice, because it does not 100% agree...)

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Massive Crowd For Cronulla Riots' 10th Anniversity Reply #275 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:57am Jasmine wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:34am: I have already stated my position numerous times with quotes regarding this. That is more than enough. Yeah, entirely unsubstantiated. That's what we call a baseless opinion.
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Reply #276 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:05am

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:50am:

Jasmine wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:29am:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:21am:

Jasmine wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:52am:

It is interesting that if you disagree that it usually resorts to this silly word. Islamophobe. As if it adds some credence to their stance or argument.

It is much like homophobe if you speak out against the rampant flow of aids through the gay community. You usually cop that one in the face.

The ironic thing about this comment is that it is half correct...

Only half though, because the other half of the comment should have read, it is equally interesting if you disagree with the other perspective you're a Muslim apologist or a terrorist sympathiser... Or, with regard to arguing with homophobes - you are a gay lover, you are gay or a pervert...

Perspective is a funny thing when viewed from a perspective or reality.

Well Islamophobe and Homophobe idicate a fear of them when in reality its not the case. Speak out against or exposing someone is not usually a phobia thats a cop out.

An apologist is usually an apologist.

Regarding gays that same thing, people aren't phobic of gays to speak out against disease and their practices. Then again someone on the other side of the fence may very well be a pervert, gay lover or gay, throw in gay liker and there you have it.

My comment was more revolving around the childish phobia inventions more to the point that we seem to see from these fringe minorities.

I hope that explains it better.

When irrational fear underpins an argument, it is quite reasonable to suggest a phobia.

An apologist is usually an apologist? Well, a phobia sufferer is usually suffering an irrational fear... That's not a great response from you. Sticking a label on it is just sticking a label on it to further your own beliefs... That's what the phobia and/or apologist labels have become...

So speaking out against Homosexuals (regardless of how ill informed, irrational, illogical and devoid of fact) is not fear based, but someone defending MIGHT be a pervert.... What a typical one eyed defense. All you do here is to illustrate my point and then highlight it with bright green fluro...

Your comment, as is typical, reflects a very one sided world view, myopic in the extreme and nothing you said here clarifies anything other than your myopic world view.

Both sides of almost any debate, particularly on a tin pot internet forum stick labels on those who disagree with their perspective in an ill conceived and immature attempt to further their perceived cause.

My comment after all did not detract from your perspective of throwing around the "childish phobia inventions" it simply added to it the childish sympathiser (et al) inventions thrown around by the team targeted often with the alleged phobia inventions...

I hope that explains it better (though I am doubtful any explanation will suffice, because it does not 100% agree...)

Oh the irony of your silly post Grin

Sorry I don't have a one sided world my point was I have no need to use silly words like irrational fear and phobia to try and pretend someone else is not what they are. I prefer to debate and logically prove my case than be childish.

The old "irrational fear" chestnut that's another one. Grin

More discussion on this with you is obviously pointless in any case Grin

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Reply #277 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:07am

Stratos wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:57am:

Jasmine wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:34am:

I have already stated my position numerous times with quotes regarding this. That is more than enough.

Yeah, entirely unsubstantiated. That's what we call a baseless opinion.

How ironic, but anyways you are free to inform yourself with only stuff that suits your world view and ignore the rest. As are we all.

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Reply #278 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:15am

Jasmine. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:07am:

How ironic, but anyways you are free to inform yourself with only stuff that suits your world view and ignore the rest.

What exactly is it you think the inquiry missed in their investigations?

Oh, and for the record, I'm not a fan of halal slaughter in first world countries that have proper access to stunning, as it means there is an extra change of animal suffering. I'd like to see it end if possible. I'm not defending it, just people spreading falsehoods about it.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #279 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:25am

Stratos wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:15am:

Jasmine. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:07am:

How ironic, but anyways you are free to inform yourself with only stuff that suits your world view and ignore the rest.

What exactly is it you think the inquiry missed in their investigations?

Oh, and for the record, I'm not a fan of halal slaughter in first world countries that have proper access to stunning, as it means there is an extra change of animal suffering. I'd like to see it end if possible. I'm not defending it, just people spreading falsehoods about it.

Using the word investigations is debatable. Clearly they were not investigating in depth enough as the report indicates. Not enough to be a proper investigation as indicated in the report. As I have already shown before and that's the last time I'll be mentioning that. If you don't understand that then too bad I guess.

My point is the senate did what it called an investigation to appease the callers of the investigation. Just enough to label it an investigation nothing more. The report itself even stated the money could not be traced. So the result of the report is not saying halal certification money is not used for terrorism. It is saying the non in depth cases they looked at did not. The majority of money flow they cannot follow.

Also it has already been shown in this thread where money is used for support of terrorist organizations. They conveniently never investigated that now did they. Which makes it smell even more like a useless typical PC government report fed to the plebs.

Anyway that's it, have another go at me over it I don't care I am sure people that matter can think for themselves reading these posts. If you really think they don't funnel money back into their ideology this way then good for you.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Massive Crowd For Cronulla Riots' 10th Anniversity Reply #280 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:29am Jasmine. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:25am: The report itself even stated the money could not be traced. So let me get this straight, you think both that the money cannot be traced, and that the money funds terrorism. Do you realise those two statements are contradictory?
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Reply #281 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:31am

Stratos wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:29am:

Jasmine. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

The report itself even stated the money could not be traced.

So let me get this straight, you think both that the money cannot be traced, and that the money funds terrorism.

Do you realise those two statements are contradictory?

You must have missed the part about where it has already been shown in this thread that it does. So no my statements are not contradictory at all. If I lived inside your lone senate PC report and ignored the outside world they would.

To clarify to save more useless posts back and forth. Yes money can be set up so it cannot be traced. Which negates your senates report conclusions using weak cases.

The fact halal money has been used for terrorism in the other case clearly shows it is used for that. Funny how they missed the obvious case aint it.

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Jasmine. New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7 Gender:	Re: Massive Crowd For Cronulla Riots' 10th Anniversity Reply #282 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:36am Anyway stratos, thanks for your time, all the best I am off for a swim now. I might see you on here another time.
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Reply #283 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:43am

Jasmine. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:31am:

The fact halal money has been used for terrorism in the other case clearly shows it is used for that. Funny how they missed the obvious case aint it.

It has, but apparently there is no evidence of it being done in Australia right now, which was after all the scope of the investigation.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #284 - Dec 13^th, 2015 at 9:00am

Jasmine. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

Sorry I don't have a one sided world my point was I have no need to use silly words like irrational fear and phobia to try and pretend someone else is not what they are. I prefer to debate and logically prove my case than be childish.

Really? How so.

You blatantly excuse and justify the use of "silly words" like apologist, terrorist sympathiser even pervert.... Yet you do not use "silly words"....

You have not demonstrated your articulated use of logic at all, which would demonstrate why you failed to prove your case.

Jasmine. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

The old "irrational fear" chestnut that's another one.

Ah, so no fear is irrational, is that your point here? I did not say that ALL fear was irrational mind you, merely made the point, if fear is demonstrably irrational, then it is reasonable to suggest a phobia...

Jasmine. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

More discussion on this with you is obviously pointless in any case

To be honest, that could be mutual, except for one small point. I support freedom of speech, so even a discussion with one as myopic as you appear to be in this instance, is not necessarily pointless.

By all means though, feel free to not engage. That's your choice.

There are always three sides to any issue, in this instance, there is yours, mine and the truth (which is always messily somewhere near the middle)...

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