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Sun Tzu Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1148 Gender:	Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia Reply #45 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 12:45am Yadda is a Muslim hate propagator.
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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #46 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 5:14am

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

So you haven't really stopped to think about it? You just like to throw around words like ignorant and bigoted, but to your credit you have learnt not to say racist?

Would you use these words to describe anti-Nazi protesters?

Oh, I've thought about it all right. Unlike some. And I 'throw words like bigot and ignorant around' because in
this context they are perfectly accurate descriptors of these people.

As for anti-nazi protestors - which ones?

If you meant the Intifa mob, then yes, I believe they are - because they also are labouring under ignorance.

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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #47 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 6:19am

Kat wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

BlueBeard wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

by the way

just to make things clear to the numbskulls

Islam is not a race

you can't be a racists

by speaking out of its evils

ok?

duh Roll Eyes

No, but I'm sick of hearing this bullsh1t excuse from the bigots to try to justify their ignorance, bigotry and Islamophobia.

It mightn't be racist, but it is ignorant and bigoted.

Probably not as ignorant as you.

Whatever ya reckon...

I'm still correct though, and your insults don't change that.

"Insults?" ... Grin

Similar to your insults is it?

You'll know when I'm insulting you precious. Roll Eyes

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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #48 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 7:57am

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

Yadda is a Muslim hate propagator.

Well, if you believe that, then report me to, .....whoever.

Sun Tzu,

Yadda is not a moslem, .....and i am not a hate propagator.

Yadda is an educator, .....but yes, i am expressing an opinion too.....

BUT I AM ALSO PRESENTING EVIDENCE, AND USING LOGIC AND REASONING, to substantuate my argument/opinion.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1449724120/40#40
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Yes [insert YOUR name here].

No need to enter into reasoned debate.

No need to present an argument [....that you would then have to be prepared to defend].

Just denigrate me.

Just disparage me.

Sun Tzu,

The Koran, is a terrorist instruction manual.

And the >>> Koran <<< [along with the Hadith], is THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF RADICALISATION of moslems.

And every devout moslem, every moslem, holds a reverence for the Koran, as containing Allah's direct, spoken word.

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Any contest with my argument so far Sun Tzu ?????

Google;

Koran, is, a terrorist instruction manual

n.b.
The Koran is a holy guide [as per, Allah's words], as to how every moslem should live his life, every day.

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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0
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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers'].

.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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The Koran, is a terrorist instruction manual.

And IMO, every non-moslem school child in Australia should open it, study it, and be exposed to its contents!    [....but NOT, under the direction of a moslem imam, or any moslem!]

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THE KORAN    [n.b. the Koran is the primary 'religious' guide in life, for every moslem].....

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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Sun Tzu,

IN CONTRAST WITH YOUR ACCUSATION(S) AGAINST ME;

When i [or some other person like me], turns and accuses moslems of being members of a murderous death cult,    i can draw peoples attention to the evidence, and to the reasoning and the logic i use, to give my accusation credibility/validity.

I can prove [to any reasonable person] that my accusation IS NOT, empty 'name-calling'.

When i characterise, every moslem in Australia as a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac, I CAN PROVE IT [to any reasonable person], USING EVIDENCE AND LOGIC AND REASONING.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #49 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 8:18am

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

Yadda is a Muslim hate propagator.

Sun Tzu,

Yadda is not a moslem, .....and i am not a hate propagator.

Yadda is an educator, .....but yes, i am expressing an opinion too.....

BUT I AM ALSO PRESENTING EVIDENCE, AND USING LOGIC AND REASONING, to substantuate my argument/opinion.

Sun Tzu,

The Koran, is a document which full of HATE SPEECH!, ......it is HATE SPEECH! which is directed towards people who are NOT moslems [because they are not moslems!].

And the >>> Koran <<< [along with the Hadith], is THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF RADICALISATION of moslems.

And every devout moslem, every moslem, holds a reverence for the Koran, as containing Allah's direct, spoken word.

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The Koran, is a document full of HATE SPEECH!

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THE KORAN [n.b. the Koran is the primary 'religious' guide in life, for every moslem].....

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

.

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

.

Google;

Koran, is, a terrorist instruction manual

n.b.
The Koran is a holy guide [as per, Allah's words], as to how every moslem should live his life, every day.

Any contest/disagreement with my argument so far Sun Tzu ?????

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74452 Gender:	Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia Reply #50 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 8:25am yadda why are you so determined to ruin every thread with your constant dribble? can't you just post a comment without all the crap you attach to it??
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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #51 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 8:55am

John Smith wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

yadda why are you so determined to ruin every thread with your constant dribble?

can't you just post a comment without all the crap you attach to it??

Why ?

Because on any public forum, you can get 1,000 opinions for zip [i.e. for no cost].

And an opinion, imo, presented by itself, isn't worth anything.

Not one brass razzo!

An opinion which sounds 'nice', but which is an opinion which is unsubstantiated [and which is presented in a forum, with even the absence of any reasoning, in its support], is worthless imo.

The only opinions which are worth something, which may have some value, imo, .....are opinions and argument, which are presented with some substantuating evidence and reasoning, and logic.

e.g.

Yadda is a Muslim hate propagator.

- Sun Tzu

Sun Tzu, is wrong on both counts.

And imo, it is not wrong, to both hate [and to try to expose], the intent, of persons who present [to a reasonable person], as latent wanna-be murderers.

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IMAGE....

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

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IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Sun Tzu Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1148 Gender:	Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia Reply #52 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:58am More Muslim hate from Yadda.
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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #53 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 12:46pm

Kat wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 5:14am:

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

So you haven't really stopped to think about it? You just like to throw around words like ignorant and bigoted, but to your credit you have learnt not to say racist?

Would you use these words to describe anti-Nazi protesters?

Oh, I've thought about it all right. Unlike some. And I 'throw words like bigot and ignorant around' because in
this context they are perfectly accurate descriptors of these people.

As for anti-nazi protestors - which ones?

If you meant the Intifa mob, then yes, I believe they are - because they also are labouring under ignorance.

Do you appreciate the irony in labeling another group of people ignorant bigots without really knowing why?

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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #54 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 2:41pm

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 5:14am:

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

So you haven't really stopped to think about it? You just like to throw around words like ignorant and bigoted, but to your credit you have learnt not to say racist?

Would you use these words to describe anti-Nazi protesters?

Oh, I've thought about it all right. Unlike some. And I 'throw words like bigot and ignorant around' because in
this context they are perfectly accurate descriptors of these people.

As for anti-nazi protestors - which ones?

If you meant the Intifa mob, then yes, I believe they are - because they also are labouring under ignorance.

Do you appreciate the irony in labeling another group of people ignorant bigots without really knowing why?

Oh I think he knows why FD - not everyone tiptoes around the constant stream of Islamophobic rhetoric with their hands over their ears screaming "lalala I'm not listening! Its all legitimate criticism of ideas!" - like you do.

moses wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 4:39pm:

The result to day is that if there's 1.5 billion muslims, half are men 750 million inbred low intellect muslim men all squatting down to urinate, murdering people to emulate muhammad.

- some people actually notice this sort of crap you know FD - even if you trip over yourself to avoid it.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48962 At my desk.	Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia Reply #55 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 8:05pm So far the only explanation Kat has given for why 90% of them are ignorant bigots is that they are ignorant bigots. Sounds like prejudice to me.
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Reply #56 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 8:38pm

There is no doubting there is a problem with radical Islam all over the world....I see nothing wrong with pointing this out and calling it for what it is....However just like I don't condemn all religious people for the failings of the few I stand by those who worship in peace!!!

Never confuse the faith with the supposedly faithful.
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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #57 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:10pm

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 3:11pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

No, they are the poor slobs who have to go and deal with these excuses for human excrement.

So that dainty little darlings like you are safe and cosy in your worm holes.

Your perspicacity has won you a bag of donut holes.

Sorry I couldn't offer you your usual gift box of Bondi Cigars. My production manager Lisa Jones is falling down on the job. Lisa is consumed with her latest innovation: turning wet farts into a consumer product.

Miam miam.

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Reply #58 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:12pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 5:14am:

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

So you haven't really stopped to think about it? You just like to throw around words like ignorant and bigoted, but to your credit you have learnt not to say racist?

Would you use these words to describe anti-Nazi protesters?

Oh, I've thought about it all right. Unlike some. And I 'throw words like bigot and ignorant around' because in
this context they are perfectly accurate descriptors of these people.

As for anti-nazi protestors - which ones?

If you meant the Intifa mob, then yes, I believe they are - because they also are labouring under ignorance.

Do you appreciate the irony in labeling another group of people ignorant bigots without really knowing why?

Oh I think he knows why FD - not everyone tiptoes around the constant stream of Islamophobic rhetoric with their hands over their ears screaming "lalala I'm not listening! Its all legitimate criticism of ideas!" - like you do.

moses wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2015 at 4:39pm:

The result to day is that if there's 1.5 billion muslims, half are men 750 million inbred low intellect muslim men all squatting down to urinate, murdering people to emulate muhammad.

- some people actually notice this sort of crap you know FD - even if you trip over yourself to avoid it.

Yes, but you’re allowed to say that. Islam is not a race.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95639 Gender:	Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia Reply #59 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 9:14pm freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 8:05pm: So far the only explanation Kat has given for why 90% of them are ignorant bigots is that they are ignorant bigots. Sounds like prejudice to me. They’re racists, FD. They want to take away the freeeedoms of decent white people everywhere.
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