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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #90 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:41pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
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That is an excellent quote.
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Reply #91 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:48pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)





That is an excellent quote.


I have another one for you Mothra....

If religion is not part of the solution it is part of the problem!!!
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Reply #92 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:28pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant?

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Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general???


Islam in particular.

Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists?

You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference?


Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists???

I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!!

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Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
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You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation.

My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said. Not that I have actually made any argument in this thread - just trying to figure out what you are on about. You are the one waffling endlessly on about "radical" and "extreme" Islam without knowing what you mean by these things.
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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #93 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant?

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Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general???


Islam in particular.

Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists?

You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference?


Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists???

I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)




You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation.

My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said..


That, and they want to take away the freeeedoms of decent white people everywhere.

Don’t forget, FD, Islam is not a race. These people are tinted.
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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #94 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:56pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant?

Quote:
Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general???


Islam in particular.

Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists?

You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference?


Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists???

I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)




You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation.

My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said..


That, and they want to take away the freeeedoms of decent white people everywhere.

Don’t forget, FD, Islam is not a race. These people are tinted.



Ban them. Deport them. Burn down their mosques.
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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #95 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 11:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant?

Quote:
Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general???


Islam in particular.

Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists?

You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference?


Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists???

I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)




You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation.

My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said. Not that I have actually made any argument in this thread - just trying to figure out what you are on about. You are the one waffling endlessly on about "radical" and "extreme" Islam without knowing what you mean by these things.


I know Muslims (People who follow Islam) who are very nice people (Not FD) and believe they have a right to follow what ever bullshit they want....You on the other hand condemn all Muslims for the acts of extremists (People with extreme views)....Using your flawed analogy all Catholics are paedophiles (Catholic Priests) or at least support that behaviour...I know what I mean but you have no idea do you???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
William G. McAdoo (1863 - 1941)
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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #96 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 11:24pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant?

Quote:
Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general???


Islam in particular.

Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists?

You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference?


Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists???

I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)




You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation.

My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said. Not that I have actually made any argument in this thread - just trying to figure out what you are on about. You are the one waffling endlessly on about "radical" and "extreme" Islam without knowing what you mean by these things.


Who is Muhammed???

Huh Huh Huh

It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them.
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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #97 - Dec 17th, 2015 at 6:24am
 
It's just a variation of the spelling  Roll Eyes
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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #98 - Dec 17th, 2015 at 7:06am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant?


umm no. That statement is odd though

At least we've moved on from your idiotic line that I didn't know what Kat said.
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Reply #99 - Dec 17th, 2015 at 7:52am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 11:00pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant?

Quote:
Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general???


Islam in particular.

Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists?

You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference?


Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists???

I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)




You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation.

My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said. Not that I have actually made any argument in this thread - just trying to figure out what you are on about. You are the one waffling endlessly on about "radical" and "extreme" Islam without knowing what you mean by these things.


I know Muslims (People who follow Islam) who are very nice people (Not FD) and believe they have a right to follow what ever bullshit they want....You on the other hand condemn all Muslims for the acts of extremists (People with extreme views)....Using your flawed analogy all Catholics are paedophiles (Catholic Priests) or at least support that behaviour...I know what I mean but you have no idea do you???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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phil - try to take the islamics out of islam.
the calls for violence out of the Koran
the violence moh did out of history.

you are living a fantasy world.
100's are murdered by muslims
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Re: Islam Vs Free speech in Australia
Reply #100 - Dec 17th, 2015 at 9:54am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

I know Muslims (People who follow Islam) who are very nice people (Not FD) and believe they have a right to follow what ever bullshit they want....



ISLAM you mean ???



philperth2010,

QUESTION;

Is your argument in this public forum,        ......that mainstream ISLAMIC doctrines, and that authoritative ISLAMIC scriptures,        .....do not in any way encourage religious bigotry and religious violence ?

And that you believe this,       ......because you "know Muslims (People who follow Islam) who are very nice people",      .....and those moslems who you 'know', have assured you that that circumstance was NOT so ???     !!!!

Is THAT, the argument which you are presenting on this public forum, philperth2010  ?????????




ISLAM = =  ?????????

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4



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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111



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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

You on the other hand condemn all Muslims for the acts of extremists (People with extreme views)....




Moslems you mean ???

......who ARE following mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine,       doctrine which has the authority of being sanctioned within ISLAM's foundation religious texts.

Those moslems ????




Or is it your argument, philperth2010,          .....that persons who declare themselves to be moslems, DO NOT actually,        .....respect and follow the DICTATES of their faith  ?????????


Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."




Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


philperth2010,

My own proposition and belief,        .....is that;

Every moslem, is a moslem.


Every moslem, who self-declares, and who insists, that he is a moslem,      .....is a person who is declaring that he chooses to follow and support ISLAM's teaching.

And that as a moslem,       ....he/she thereby, is choosing to endorse and support the declared tenets and laws of ISLAM.

That is what a moslem is.        .....imo.




philperth2010,

You seem to be laboring under the mistaken belief,       .....that all of this violent conduct [follow the link below], which is being carried out by myriad and diverse moslem groups,        .....is not sanctioned by mainstream ISLAMIC doctrines, and authoritative ISLAMIC scriptures.

QUESTION;

philperth2010,

Why would you harbour such a belief ?

Is it, because you "know Muslims (People who follow Islam) who are very nice people",      .....and the moslems you 'know', assured you that that circumstance was so ???     !!!!

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/





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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

Using your flawed analogy all Catholics are paedophiles (Catholic Priests) or at least support that behaviour...I know what I mean but you have no idea do you???



A completely specious argument/proposition philperth2010,       .....as i think that you well know.

Shame on you.       !!!!!



Dictionary;
specious = = superficially plausible, but actually wrong.        misleadingly attractive in appearance.


As you should well know, Jesus Christ [the inspiration for 'Christianity'] forbade the abuse of children.....

Matthew 18:5
.....whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6  But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #101 - Dec 17th, 2015 at 10:08am
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation.

My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said..


That, and they want to take away the freeeedoms of decent white people everywhere.

Don’t forget, FD, Islam is not a race. These people are tinted.




Islam is not a race.                 TRUE

These people are tainted.                 again, TRUE


Dictionary;
taint = =
1 a trace of a bad or undesirable quality or substance       a contaminating influence or effect.
2 an unpleasant smell.




Persons who freely choose to follow ISLAM, are certainly 'tainted',       .....in my opinion.



Yadda said....
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All moslems are monsters in human form, imo.



How do i justify such an accusation ?

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Reply #102 - Dec 17th, 2015 at 10:13am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 17th, 2015 at 7:52am:

phil....
.....

you are living a fantasy world.

100's are murdered by muslims




What sprint said!



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #103 - Dec 17th, 2015 at 11:27am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm:
Don't you think it is a little odd to describe statements as ignorant?

Quote:
Tell me FD is your problem with Islam or religion in general???


Islam in particular.

Am I right that you claim to not have a problem with Islamic extremists?

You appeared to be attempting to make a distinction between radical Islam and some other Islam. What do you see as the difference?


Were did I claim not to have a problem with Islamic extremists???

I believe your argument stems from the belief that Islam is an extremist religion and thus anyone who practices it is an extremist by association....If that is your view you are entitled to it and I will not try to convince you otherwise!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)




You said the problem was "radical Islam" and not to confuse the faith with the faithful, then descended into gibberish when asked for an explanation.

My 'argument' stems from all the nasty things that Muhammed did and said..


That, and they want to take away the freeeedoms of decent white people everywhere.

Don’t forget, FD, Islam is not a race. These people are tinted.



Ban them. Deport them. Burn down their mosques.


the first time I've seen you talk sense
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Reply #104 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 8:10pm
 
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I know Muslims (People who follow Islam) who are very nice people (Not FD) and believe they have a right to follow what ever bullshit they want....You on the other hand condemn all Muslims for the acts of extremists (People with extreme views)....


There you go, being ignorant again.

What is this distinction between radical/extreme Islam and some other unnamed version of Islam that you keep going on about?

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Who is Muhammed???


You ask this in a thread about Islam?

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umm no. That statement is odd though


Ignorant means lacking knowledge. It is used (rationally) to describe people, not statements.
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