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Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison
Reply #45 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 3:24pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 8:37am:

I can see some argument for negative gearing in a viable business... but at the same time there is absolutely zero argument for any reduced capital gains from the same business.

That is a rort pure and simple. It is completely non-viable for a government to subsidise making of profit and then even suggest that the rewards of the subsidised profit should then evade tax. Only a government with a vested self-interest would impose such a ridiculous regime on this 'industry'.

But I suppose that kind of discussion is just 'the politics of envy'.. what utter nonsense.

Side note:- I still love meeting the 'property millionaires' who need a job to sustain their 'portfolio'. The question then arises:- why should a person gain subsidy on that demanded job, when that subsidy is only there to sustain a profit-making venture by the same person, when that profit-making venture is obviously a failure without all the subsidy?

NOW WE IS ALL GONNA INNOVATE AND STOP ALL THAT NONSENSE BECAUSE: well, malcolm invented a silly hop that's why!

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) says so...

Look over there: hey it's Lucy doing something Roll Eyes

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison
Reply #46 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 3:28pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 1:19pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Why not get rid of child care rebates, family tax benefits, single parent payments for kids over 5. What about getting rid of the dole until out of work for 6 months?

Why don't we just kill the poor?
Anyones who's income stream falls below 90K, off to the gas chambers you go.

WOW... another who doesnt get satire. Rather clearly, I was criticising Bams thoroughly one-side post with one of my own.

I do sometimes forget that when writing you need to write to the intellectual level of your readership. Obviously, it exceeded yours.

Oh it was SATIRE??????????????????

Isn't that supposed to be funny in a cutting sort of way?

Besides I was serious, reading & hearing all you LNP Pollies & supporters the only thing holding this country & it's populace back is bloody poor people, their illnesses & kids.

KILL THE PHU_CKING LOT & we'll all bath in Verve Clicquot & have private jets.

maria doesn't know her definitions: it's an inti-science thing I'm led to believe Cheesy

Sarcasm is, as opposed to satire, meant to hurt. yes, maria is a C * N T and proud of it Shocked

** did i just say that out loud ?

oh, yes i did: yes i did say that out loud Cheesy

(Hey, freediver: can we get an emoticon with a megaphone doing a jig or something?)

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison
Reply #47 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 4:01pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Why not get rid of child care rebates, family tax benefits, single parent payments for kids over 5. What about getting rid of the dole until out of work for 6 months?

Don't know if you are attempting to be funny but what you propose looks a lot like a Liberals budget of the last 15 years.

Childcare, families the unemployed you only left out cuts to health care pensions disability and education to have a full Liberal budget.

Why must you be such a lying fool and so obviously so? Child care was brought in by the Libs. most other family welfare was likewise initiated by the Libs and that which wasnt has been increased by them.

You now sound like greens-win. You just lie.

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Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison
Reply #48 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 4:03pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 1:19pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Why not get rid of child care rebates, family tax benefits, single parent payments for kids over 5. What about getting rid of the dole until out of work for 6 months?

Why don't we just kill the poor?
Anyones who's income stream falls below 90K, off to the gas chambers you go.

WOW... another who doesnt get satire. Rather clearly, I was criticising Bams thoroughly one-side post with one of my own.

I do sometimes forget that when writing you need to write to the intellectual level of your readership. Obviously, it exceeded yours.

Oh it was SATIRE??????????????????

Isn't that supposed to be funny in a cutting sort of way?

Besides I was serious, reading & hearing all you LNP Pollies & supporters the only thing holding this country & it's populace back is bloody poor people, their illnesses & kids.

KILL THE PHU_CKING LOT & we'll all bath in Verve Clicquot & have private jets.

When you are as depressed as you are, nothing cuts through.

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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison Reply #49 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 4:04pm Kat wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 2:10pm: Just HOW many times does this incompetent and heartless fir-kwit need to have the alternatives pointed out to him? Is he THAT incompetent - or is he just plain firkin evil? Is that an accurate "firkin" description of you?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75097 Gender:	Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison Reply #50 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 4:10pm I see Maria has been busy flapping her gums at 100 miles an hour again. Once again, she has posted nothing but abuse. No real discussion of the issues and no real understanding of the thread.
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Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison
Reply #51 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 4:12pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 1:19pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Why not get rid of child care rebates, family tax benefits, single parent payments for kids over 5. What about getting rid of the dole until out of work for 6 months?

Why don't we just kill the poor?
Anyones who's income stream falls below 90K, off to the gas chambers you go.

WOW... another who doesnt get satire. Rather clearly, I was criticising Bams thoroughly one-side post with one of my own.

I do sometimes forget that when writing you need to write to the intellectual level of your readership. Obviously, it exceeded yours.

Oh it was SATIRE??????????????????

Isn't that supposed to be funny in a cutting sort of way?

Besides I was serious, reading & hearing all you LNP Pollies & supporters the only thing holding this country & it's populace back is bloody poor people, their illnesses & kids.

KILL THE PHU_CKING LOT & we'll all bath in Verve Clicquot & have private jets.

When you are as depressed as you are, nothing cuts through.

Sarcasm, as opposed to satire, is always aimed to hurt: get over yourself maria- we all know you drink metho and hate children for a reason you deliberately barren wench Cheesy

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Kiron22 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 896 Gender:	Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison Reply #52 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 4:13pm Maria's username should be changed too "Dunning Mcfallacy Kruger"
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison Reply #53 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 4:21pm Kiron22 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 4:13pm: Maria's username should be changed too "Dunning Mcfallacy Kruger" And we will just call you Little Stalin... after your hero.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison Reply #54 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 4:29pm Kiron22 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 4:13pm: Maria's username should be changed too "Dunning Mcfallacy Kruger" Had to look it up but it is perfect! DMK for short.
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Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison
Reply #55 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 6:38pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Bam wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 9:35am:

If Morrison wants suggestions, here are some.

Increase funding to the ATO for tax compliance, particularly corporate taxation.
Abolish negative gearing.
Abolish dividend imputation.
Abolish tax concessions on superannuation contributions.
Abolish tax concessions for self-funded retirees and pay everyone the full pension once they reach 70 years of age.
Abolish CGT concession (tax capitals gains at the full rate).
Abolish fossil fuel subsidies. Make renewable fuels free of excise for 10 years.
Replace cash grants for drought assistance with HECS-style loans that must be repaid out of future farm earnings.
Abolish the rebate for private health insurance.
Crack down on tax avoidance by corporations by systematically and methodically closing all of the corporate tax loopholes that they currently exploit.
- For example: Require all companies that claim interest on debts to borrow that money from an Australian bank. If they do not, the interest rate on non-standard debts is deemed to be equal to the RBA cash rate (currently 2%).
Crack down on employers rorting subsidies for employing long-term unemployed people.
Introduce a company turnover tax equal to 2% of revenue.

That will do for a start ... it's about time we went after the top end of town for a change.

Why not get rid of child care rebates, family tax benefits, single parent payments for kids over 5. What about getting rid of the dole until out of work for 6 months?

That's not the top end of town, doofus. The wealthy have hardly felt any pain at Budget time for a generation. Why should the wealthy be spared the pain of fiscal restraint?

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

As for your 'turnover tax', that is inequitable and ludicrous. The reason we have a profit tax is because turnover is unworkable. Supermarkets and discount stores work on low margin, high turnover and sometimes the margins are under 5%. Other companies sell low volume, high margin. It destroys the former group.

Yet they make large profits and somehow have a bare cupboard to show the taxman at tax time. It's not convincing.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

There is a reason no one does it.

We already have a tax on company turnover that is implemented as payroll tax in every state and territory. If we taxed turnover, we could axe payroll tax. A turnover tax is hardly inequitable if every company pays the same percentage. Payroll tax does not do this, it varies by state and territory and this adds to the compliance burden for companies.

The real inequity is a tax system that allows about one-third of our largest companies to pay no tax at all. Where's the equity there?

Find me a regime that implements turnover tax. Up until then, your stupidity stands all on its own. as if payroll tax is turnover tax!! I used to think you were moderately bright. Obviously, I overstated your IQ.

Bookmakers pay turnover tax, win lose or draw. The sooner payroll tax gets the arse the better.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison
Reply #56 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 8:36pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Bam wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 9:35am:

If Morrison wants suggestions, here are some.

Increase funding to the ATO for tax compliance, particularly corporate taxation.
Abolish negative gearing.
Abolish dividend imputation.
Abolish tax concessions on superannuation contributions.
Abolish tax concessions for self-funded retirees and pay everyone the full pension once they reach 70 years of age.
Abolish CGT concession (tax capitals gains at the full rate).
Abolish fossil fuel subsidies. Make renewable fuels free of excise for 10 years.
Replace cash grants for drought assistance with HECS-style loans that must be repaid out of future farm earnings.
Abolish the rebate for private health insurance.
Crack down on tax avoidance by corporations by systematically and methodically closing all of the corporate tax loopholes that they currently exploit.
- For example: Require all companies that claim interest on debts to borrow that money from an Australian bank. If they do not, the interest rate on non-standard debts is deemed to be equal to the RBA cash rate (currently 2%).
Crack down on employers rorting subsidies for employing long-term unemployed people.
Introduce a company turnover tax equal to 2% of revenue.

That will do for a start ... it's about time we went after the top end of town for a change.

Why not get rid of child care rebates, family tax benefits, single parent payments for kids over 5. What about getting rid of the dole until out of work for 6 months?

That's not the top end of town, doofus. The wealthy have hardly felt any pain at Budget time for a generation. Why should the wealthy be spared the pain of fiscal restraint?

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

As for your 'turnover tax', that is inequitable and ludicrous. The reason we have a profit tax is because turnover is unworkable. Supermarkets and discount stores work on low margin, high turnover and sometimes the margins are under 5%. Other companies sell low volume, high margin. It destroys the former group.

Yet they make large profits and somehow have a bare cupboard to show the taxman at tax time. It's not convincing.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

There is a reason no one does it.

We already have a tax on company turnover that is implemented as payroll tax in every state and territory. If we taxed turnover, we could axe payroll tax. A turnover tax is hardly inequitable if every company pays the same percentage. Payroll tax does not do this, it varies by state and territory and this adds to the compliance burden for companies.

The real inequity is a tax system that allows about one-third of our largest companies to pay no tax at all. Where's the equity there?

Find me a regime that implements turnover tax. Up until then, your stupidity stands all on its own. as if payroll tax is turnover tax!! I used to think you were moderately bright. Obviously, I overstated your IQ.

I see you have no real point to make, just your usual personal abuse. Personal abuse is a concession. I accept your surrender.

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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

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Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison
Reply #58 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 10:51pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 4:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Why not get rid of child care rebates, family tax benefits, single parent payments for kids over 5. What about getting rid of the dole until out of work for 6 months?

Don't know if you are attempting to be funny but what you propose looks a lot like a Liberals budget of the last 15 years.

Childcare, families the unemployed you only left out cuts to health care pensions disability and education to have a full Liberal budget.

Why must you be such a lying fool and so obviously so? Child care was brought in by the Libs. most other family welfare was likewise initiated by the Libs and that which wasnt has been increased by them.

You now sound like greens-win. You just lie.

Yesterday I posted the cuts from the Liberals 2015 budget, the list looked remarkably like yours only you thought yours was a joke. There's really was a joke.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16624 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Show us the alternatives says Morrison Reply #59 - Dec 17^th, 2015 at 11:01pm Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 10:51pm: Yesterday I posted the cuts from the Liberals 2015 budget, the list looked remarkably like yours only you thought yours was a joke. There's really was a joke. Certainly seemed like Joe and Matt were having a laugh over their cigars.
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