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Reply #225 - Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:15pm
 
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 4:56pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 4:44pm:
So, we need action & we need it now!


......ok, what action?



No suggestions huh?

You also overlook that companies don't just pay tax on net profit?  They also pay....

  • Payroll tax
  • Compulsory Workers comp
  • Compulsory superannuation guarantee
  • Compulsory outside the market Penalty rates
  • Holiday leave
  • Holiday leave loading
  • Long service leave


Company tax is paid on net profit.  So if they're not paying tax the problem is profitability.

Maybe the Govt should be looking at deregulating the labour market (oops Howard already did that with Workchoices,  Shocked  but Labor trashed that policy) and put the boot into profitability and increased unemployment by 50% doing so.... Sad

The government has been championing free trade but the left have been trashing that too.

Now the Left is whinging about companies not paying tax when their ideology believes profit is evil.  Well tax is paid on net profit Lefties......no profit......no taxes  Sad Sad

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Reply #226 - Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:32pm
 
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
You also overlook that companies don't just pay tax on net profit?  They also pay....

  • Payroll tax
  • Compulsory Workers comp
  • Compulsory superannuation guarantee
  • Compulsory outside the market Penalty rates
  • Holiday leave
  • Holiday leave loading
  • Long service leave


Company tax is paid on net profit.  So if they're not paying tax the problem is profitability.



Rather pathetic list Swag, so they pay the costs of employing people. None of that relates to taxation.
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Reply #227 - Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:35pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 5:07pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 12:47pm:
mariacostel wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:33am:
It is quite intriguing why so many people simply HATE business, like Bam etc. And they really do hate them.  Envy is an obvious first consideration that somehow a business owner shouldn't be rich when they have to work minimum wage at a servo. Of course they could just be plain stupid.

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Reply #228 - Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:36pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:32pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
You also overlook that companies don't just pay tax on net profit?  They also pay....

  • Payroll tax
  • Compulsory Workers comp
  • Compulsory superannuation guarantee
  • Compulsory outside the market Penalty rates
  • Holiday leave
  • Holiday leave loading
  • Long service leave


Company tax is paid on net profit.  So if they're not paying tax the problem is profitability.



Rather pathetic list Swag, so they pay the costs of employing people. None of that relates to taxation.

Payroll tax is a tax.
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Reply #229 - Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:50pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:32pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
You also overlook that companies don't just pay tax on net profit?  They also pay....

  • Payroll tax
  • Compulsory Workers comp
  • Compulsory superannuation guarantee
  • Compulsory outside the market Penalty rates
  • Holiday leave
  • Holiday leave loading
  • Long service leave


Company tax is paid on net profit.  So if they're not paying tax the problem is profitability.



Rather pathetic list Swag, so they pay the costs of employing people. None of that relates to taxation.


They all tax the ability of a company to make a profit... Cheesy

.....and compulsory penalty rates are not set by the market.......comrade DNA  Cheesy
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Re: Top Companies That Pay No Tax
Reply #230 - Dec 20th, 2015 at 8:01pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 4:44pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 11:14am:
So, a "few" observations -
1) Are the Published ATO figures are Correct/incorrect? And, IF they are incorrect, then why have they been allowed to be published, without being properly checked?
2) If correct, then why would such a large % of Australia's largest Businesses pay no tax or little tax?
3) If correct and such a large % of Australia's largest businesses are making little to NO PROFIT, then that could suggest that OZ is already in a Recession/Depression, although none of the major Political Party's are saying that and it would seem unlikely - YET!
4) If correct, then the more logical reason for such figures is simply that the TAX SYSTEM IS BROKEN & IS IN NEED OF A REVAMP, WHICH SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED DECADES AGO, TO ENSURE THAT BUSINESS PAID ITS FAIR SHARE OF TAX, WHICH IT CLEARLY DOES NOT!
5) We are now more interlocked than at any other period in history & in terms of Government Revenue & Expenditure, that means all sectors must carry their fair share and IF that doesn't happen, THEN ECONOMIC COLLAPSE WILL SURELY FOLLOW!
6) For quite some time now (Decades), both major Political Party's have known or should have known, that some once in history events would take place around now -
a) Demographics - Aging & Slowing Growth
b) Energy - Supply & Demand changes, would significantly affect Pricing, both UP & DOWN.
c) Climate Change - Would have significant impacts in many issues, including Energy, Food & Water.
THE POLITICIANS HAVE NOT TAKEN THE REQUIRED ACTIONS, AS THEY DWELLED MORE ON THEIR OWN SHORT TERM INTERESTS, INSTEAD OF THE LONG TERM INTERESTS OF ALL AUSTRALIANS!

Change is absolutely required & it must start now! And, the usual bickering amongst respective "supporters", will be counter-productive, it will cost us all, in the longer term!

Politicians, from all party's must start taking appropriate actions, across the board, including both Revenue & Expenditure
AND IN A BALANCED WAY, to endeavour to ward off the most dire of the effects that THEY HAVE ALREADY SET IN MOTION & WHICH IS TOO LATE LATE, TOO ENTIRELY AVOID! 


So, all we have seen nothing here, is the usual bickering amongst respective "supporters", will be counter-productive, it will cost us all, in the longer term!

That fact is that if correct and such a large % of Australia's largest businesses are making little to NO PROFIT, then that could suggest that OZ is already in a Recession/Depression, although none of the major Political Party's are saying that and it would seem unlikely - YET!

So, we need action & we need it now!



The are obviously many changes required, both to Revenue & Expenditure, But to start the ball rolling on Tax change -

1) Close down, so called Legal Tax Loopholes.
2) Make sure all Profit earned in OZ, Pays Tax in OZ, whether the Business is local (from OZ) or an Overseas/Global Player!
3) Close down loophole of sending Profits made in OZ, to Low or No taxing countries!
4) If any business still tries it on, then Tax them anyway & legislate for that action!
5) If any Business tries it on & gets caught out, make sure the Fines are large enough to discourage them & other businesses!
6) Where Religions, own “a business”, make sure that “the Business” pays its proper Tax, BEFORE FINAL NET PROFITS ARE PASSED ON TO THE RELIGION!
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Re: Top Companies That Pay No Tax
Reply #231 - Dec 20th, 2015 at 8:05pm
 
cods wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 5:03pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 4:44pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 11:14am:
So, a "few" observations -
1) Are the Published ATO figures are Correct/incorrect? And, IF they are incorrect, then why have they been allowed to be published, without being properly checked?
2) If correct, then why would such a large % of Australia's largest Businesses pay no tax or little tax?
3) If correct and such a large % of Australia's largest businesses are making little to NO PROFIT, then that could suggest that OZ is already in a Recession/Depression, although none of the major Political Party's are saying that and it would seem unlikely - YET!
4) If correct, then the more logical reason for such figures is simply that the TAX SYSTEM IS BROKEN & IS IN NEED OF A REVAMP, WHICH SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED DECADES AGO, TO ENSURE THAT BUSINESS PAID ITS FAIR SHARE OF TAX, WHICH IT CLEARLY DOES NOT!
5) We are now more interlocked than at any other period in history & in terms of Government Revenue & Expenditure, that means all sectors must carry their fair share and IF that doesn't happen, THEN ECONOMIC COLLAPSE WILL SURELY FOLLOW!
6) For quite some time now (Decades), both major Political Party's have known or should have known, that some once in history events would take place around now -
a) Demographics - Aging & Slowing Growth
b) Energy - Supply & Demand changes, would significantly affect Pricing, both UP & DOWN.
c) Climate Change - Would have significant impacts in many issues, including Energy, Food & Water.
THE POLITICIANS HAVE NOT TAKEN THE REQUIRED ACTIONS, AS THEY DWELLED MORE ON THEIR OWN SHORT TERM INTERESTS, INSTEAD OF THE LONG TERM INTERESTS OF ALL AUSTRALIANS!

Change is absolutely required & it must start now! And, the usual bickering amongst respective "supporters", will be counter-productive, it will cost us all, in the longer term!

Politicians, from all party's must start taking appropriate actions, across the board, including both Revenue & Expenditure
AND IN A BALANCED WAY, to endeavour to ward off the most dire of the effects that THEY HAVE ALREADY SET IN MOTION & WHICH IS TOO LATE LATE, TOO ENTIRELY AVOID! 


So, all we have seen nothing here, is the usual bickering amongst respective "supporters", will be counter-productive, it will cost us all, in the longer term!

That fact is that if correct and such a large % of Australia's largest businesses are making little to NO PROFIT, then that could suggest that OZ is already in a Recession/Depression, although none of the major Political Party's are saying that and it would seem unlikely - YET!

So, we need action & we need it now!



I find it hard to believe almost 600 companies start up trading in this country and all for NOTHING....

it doesnt work for me I am afraid....and if their turnover is anything to go by .. then its even more amazing..

so we have far too many loopholes for them to use .. that probably was the only way to get them to come to OZ years ago..

but times have changed and so should this...

its isnt illegal no one is saying that... its what the govt allows....and in that case

ITS WRONG something IS WRONG>>

I will give them credit fro employing and creating work for aussies...but they come in and take ov er our companies and all of a sudden they dont make a profit...

its WRONG....

no one should not PAY ANY TAX...

even the homeless PAY TAX..on things they buy....

come on this is rubbish..stop it.


Yes, I agree Cods!

It's a numbers game & obviously there will be "some" head down that line, BUT the numbers highlighted are just far too large. Those sort of numbers MAY crop up, in a heavy Recession or Depression, But we have not been in that position - YET!

Change is REQUIRED & quickly!

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Reply #232 - Dec 20th, 2015 at 9:33pm
 
Bam wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:36pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:32pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
You also overlook that companies don't just pay tax on net profit?  They also pay....

  • Payroll tax
  • Compulsory Workers comp
  • Compulsory superannuation guarantee
  • Compulsory outside the market Penalty rates
  • Holiday leave
  • Holiday leave loading
  • Long service leave


Company tax is paid on net profit.  So if they're not paying tax the problem is profitability.



Rather pathetic list Swag, so they pay the costs of employing people. None of that relates to taxation.

Payroll tax is a tax.

Forgot that by the time I got to the bottom of the list, so only 86% does not relate to taxation.
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Reply #233 - Dec 20th, 2015 at 9:54pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:36pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:32pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
You also overlook that companies don't just pay tax on net profit?  They also pay....

  • Payroll tax
  • Compulsory Workers comp
  • Compulsory superannuation guarantee
  • Compulsory outside the market Penalty rates
  • Holiday leave
  • Holiday leave loading
  • Long service leave


Company tax is paid on net profit.  So if they're not paying tax the problem is profitability.



Rather pathetic list Swag, so they pay the costs of employing people. None of that relates to taxation.

Payroll tax is a tax.

Forgot that by the time I got to the bottom of the list, so only 86% does not relate to taxation.


The word 'tax' likely gave it away... Grin

As for the rest............

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Reply #234 - Dec 20th, 2015 at 10:34pm
 
funny how you include compulsory super in that list Swag ... I seem to remember employees getting it in lieu of a couple of years pay rises

makes me wonder how many more you got wrong.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #235 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 6:19am
 
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:50pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:32pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
You also overlook that companies don't just pay tax on net profit?  They also pay....

  • Payroll tax
  • Compulsory Workers comp
  • Compulsory superannuation guarantee
  • Compulsory outside the market Penalty rates
  • Holiday leave
  • Holiday leave loading
  • Long service leave


Company tax is paid on net profit.  So if they're not paying tax the problem is profitability.



Rather pathetic list Swag, so they pay the costs of employing people. None of that relates to taxation.


They all tax the ability of a company to make a profit... Cheesy

.....and compulsory penalty rates are not set by the market.......comrade DNA  Cheesy


and compulsory penalty rates are not set by the market


Neither is anything else - the market is largely a conceptual fallacy used for advantage or excuse.

They all tax the ability of a company to make a profit

They are all part of the business model required to allow a profit to be made.

comrade DNA 

Only 2 people ever called me comrade: a union rep, I hated it and Gough Whitlam that was ok.
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Reply #236 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 9:07am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 6:19am:
Neither is anything else - the market is largely a conceptual fallacy used for advantage or excuse.


...so why do we have competition laws that prosecute anti-competitive behaviours (except those perpetrated by unions that is)?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 6:19am:
They are all part of the business model required to allow a profit to be made.


Because they are enforced by regulation and not the market....

They all add to the price of product that effects the ability of a company to compete especially globally.

If the company can't compete, it is unprofitable, if it's unprofitable, it pays no tax.

If you start whinging that these companies are paying no tax, then you have to look at the reasons they are unprofitable.  You may not like those reasons..... Sad

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Reply #237 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 9:45am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:32pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
You also overlook that companies don't just pay tax on net profit?  They also pay....

  • Payroll tax
  • Compulsory Workers comp
  • Compulsory superannuation guarantee
  • Compulsory outside the market Penalty rates
  • Holiday leave
  • Holiday leave loading
  • Long service leave


Company tax is paid on net profit.  So if they're not paying tax the problem is profitability.



Rather pathetic list Swag, so they pay the costs of employing people. None of that relates to taxation.


IT COMPLETELY RELATES TO TAXATION!!  It is a deductible cost of doing business!
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Reply #238 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 9:47am
 
Bam wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:35pm:
mariacostel wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 5:07pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 12:47pm:
mariacostel wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:33am:
It is quite intriguing why so many people simply HATE business, like Bam etc. And they really do hate them.  Envy is an obvious first consideration that somehow a business owner shouldn't be rich when they have to work minimum wage at a servo. Of course they could just be plain stupid.

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Reply #239 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 10:06am
 
mariacostel wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 9:45am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:32pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2015 at 7:15pm:
You also overlook that companies don't just pay tax on net profit?  They also pay....

  • Payroll tax
  • Compulsory Workers comp
  • Compulsory superannuation guarantee
  • Compulsory outside the market Penalty rates
  • Holiday leave
  • Holiday leave loading
  • Long service leave


Company tax is paid on net profit.  So if they're not paying tax the problem is profitability.



Rather pathetic list Swag, so they pay the costs of employing people. None of that relates to taxation.


IT COMPLETELY RELATES TO TAXATION!!  It is a deductible cost of doing business!



Well - that really settles it.... it relates to taxation even though it is not a tax itself (apart from STATE payroll tax) because it is tax deductible, and therefore it is a tax even when it is not a tax....

I just KNEW you had the answer......   Wink  Wink  Wink

Longy couldn't have done better!  You should add in that all those other things apart from payroll tax are filthy communist things that rob the lifters by using the thuggery of the ochlocracy.
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