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Reply #270 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 9:02am
 
crocodile wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 7:47pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 3:48pm:
Some other tax avoidance strategies used by multinationals:
* Transfer pricing
* Trademark holding companies
* Captive real estate trusts

None of these methods are in any way unlawful.

It may be correct according to law, but that doesn't mean it's right. Hiding behind the letter of the law is a stupid argument that denies the possibility of changing the law. Why not consider changing the law to make these practices unlawful?

crocodile wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 7:47pm:
Multinational companies may choose to domicile their operation wherever they wish. If you think for one minute that tax advantages don't enter the equation you would be incredibly naïve. If the Aussie government want to price themselves out of the market the participants will take their business elsewhere. Finding a legislative way to enforce IP and copyright holdings is something that has escaped legislators for decades.

It doesn't mean they can't try. The European Parliament passed a law to make tax laws more uniform so companies have less scope to dodge taxes in Europe.

The problem is not solved by cutting taxes without closing loopholes because that shifts the tax burden onto everyone else. You're not going to get a 15% company tax rate in Australia any time soon because those companies need to contribute their fair share to maintaining infrastructure. Infrastructure costs are expensive in Australia because the country is large and sparsely populated. Who pays for that?

crocodile wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 7:47pm:
This seems to be the major gripe amongst the poor sods around here that don't like the way organisations look for ways to reduce operating costs. Finding legislative and punitive ways around this will only blow up in their faces with a whole raft of unintended consequences.

That's a rather rash remark based purely on speculation with no supporting evidence. Do you really think that it's impossible to increase revenue by closing loopholes? Do you really think that multinational corporations making billions in Australia will stop doing business here because laws are changed to make them pay tax? That is unlikely. A typical tax-paying Australian corporation makes 10% profit on their gross revenue and so ends up paying 3% of their revenue in company tax. If another company is dodging tax and those tax dodges get closed down, they will go from keeping 100% of their revenue (before expenses) to keeping about 97% of it. Hardly cause to shut their doors in Australia and ending up with no revenue at all!

crocodile wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 7:47pm:
The simple fact is that local corporate taxes are out of kilter with international practices.

The workers are the ones that bear most of the burden of corporate taxation. There is no benefit in chasing it.

So you're just throwing your hands in the air and giving up?

crocodile wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 7:47pm:
Corporate taxes need to come down.

And who is going to pay for that? The workers, the ones who rely on government services or the companies themselves?

If you want to cut company taxes, it is best funded by the companies themselves so the tax burden is not shifted on to other tax cohorts. The fairest way of finding the funds to cut company taxes is closing corporate tax loopholes, abolishing unnecessary corporate tax deductions and cutting spending on corporate welfare. What are all these loopholes? I don't know of course, but who does? Nobody, not even the accountants for the companies themselves. That's why we had a Senate inquiry into corporate tax avoidance this year. Even our legislators didn't know. But if we do find tax loopholes, why leave them open?

crocodile wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 7:47pm:
Miraculously, the xfer pricing might just stop and workers wages get a shot in the arm as well.

So you're relying on miracles to balance the budget?  Roll Eyes That's not going to work. Expecting companies to pass on profits as pay rises to staff? That's naive. If they were passing on profits, why has the wealth divide in Australia been growing for 20 years?
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Reply #271 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 9:33am
 
Wonder what is it, that the diehard libs want.  How about no company taxes at all?  People working for free (or just a meal for the day, since 3 meals is too expensive)?


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Reply #272 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 9:41am
 
stunspore wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 9:33am:
Wonder what is it, that the diehard libs want.  How about no company taxes at all?  People working for free (or just a meal for the day, since 3 meals is too expensive)?






well I do hope you dont cast me in that mould....I am all for the blighters paying their way...they use all our utilities our roads our taxation dept...everything its need to be paid for...

NOTHING ID FREE in this country.....

and NEITHER IT SHOULD BE..
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Reply #273 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 10:00am
 
cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 9:41am:
stunspore wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 9:33am:
Wonder what is it, that the diehard libs want.  How about no company taxes at all?  People working for free (or just a meal for the day, since 3 meals is too expensive)?






well I do hope you dont cast me in that mould....I am all for the blighters paying their way...they use all our utilities our roads our taxation dept...everything its need to be paid for...

NOTHING ID FREE in this country.....

and NEITHER IT SHOULD BE..

I wouldn't call the corporations "blighters", but other than that I agree. Infrastructure is expensive in a large, sparsely-populated country and the last thing we want to see is it falling into ruin for want of adequate maintenance. It's ludicrous to suggest that we can get corporation tax down to 15% to compete with Ireland when that country is smaller than Tasmania and in financial difficulty.
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Reply #274 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 10:14am
 
stunspore wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 9:33am:
Wonder what is it, that the diehard libs want.  How about no company taxes at all?  People working for free (or just a meal for the day, since 3 meals is too expensive)?




Coupla old containers out the back... hook up a coupla electric leads from a power point... throw in some chaff bags for bedding and clothing  ..... toss in a bag of rice once a week (they can re-use the bag for blankets in Winter) ...... and Bob's Yer Uncle.....
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Reply #275 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 10:16am
 
I love corporations.
in the same way members of ISIS pledge alliegence to ISIS over some numptie beta male led government, if i worked for Apple or microsoft or BHP or RIO i would pledge alliegence to my corporate family over my numptie beta male government.

In fact the lawyers and the accountants who work for the big corpoarations are exhibiting alpha male dominance over the betas in canberra and for this i give them a round of applause.

keep up the god work men.

Starve the beast  Wink Wink
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Reply #276 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 2:34pm
 
stunspore wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 9:33am:
Wonder what is it, that the diehard libs want.  How about no company taxes at all?  People working for free (or just a meal for the day, since 3 meals is too expensive)?




You must be joking - a meal every day ?

That isn't very flexible, how can they be working if they are allowed to eat and they can not afford to pay for the time off every day. If you are not careful someone will suggest allowing them time to sleep.
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Reply #277 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 2:39pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:
stunspore wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 9:33am:
Wonder what is it, that the diehard libs want.  How about no company taxes at all?  People working for free (or just a meal for the day, since 3 meals is too expensive)?




You must be joking - a meal every day ?

That isn't very flexible, how can they be working if they are allowed to eat and they can not afford to pay for the time off every day. If you are not careful someone will suggest allowing them time to sleep.


Softcocks - they could gulp and run on the job... a little sleep deprivation never hurt anyone.... I suppose you want toilet breaks as well?  Cheez!

Plenty of time for rest later.......

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Reply #278 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 2:44pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 2:39pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:
stunspore wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 9:33am:
Wonder what is it, that the diehard libs want.  How about no company taxes at all?  People working for free (or just a meal for the day, since 3 meals is too expensive)?




You must be joking - a meal every day ?

That isn't very flexible, how can they be working if they are allowed to eat and they can not afford to pay for the time off every day. If you are not careful someone will suggest allowing them time to sleep.


Softcocks - they could gulp and run on the job... a little sleep deprivation never hurt anyone.... I suppose you want toilet breaks as well?  Cheez!

Plenty of time for rest later.......

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I suppose you want toilet breaks as well?  Cheez!

R&D are currently working on a hollow broom stick with the required attachments for just that purpose.
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Reply #279 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 2:45pm
 
I like this one better:-

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Reply #280 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 3:14pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 10:16am:
I love corporations.
in the same way members of ISIS pledge alliegence to ISIS over some numptie beta male led government, if i worked for Apple or microsoft or BHP or RIO i would pledge alliegence to my corporate family over my numptie beta male government.

In fact the lawyers and the accountants who work for the big corpoarations are exhibiting alpha male dominance over the betas in canberra and for this i give them a round of applause.

keep up the god work men.

Starve the beast  Wink Wink

Starve the fat cats, you mean
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Reply #281 - Dec 22nd, 2015 at 3:51pm
 
Bam wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 3:14pm:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2015 at 10:16am:
I love corporations.
in the same way members of ISIS pledge alliegence to ISIS over some numptie beta male led government, if i worked for Apple or microsoft or BHP or RIO i would pledge alliegence to my corporate family over my numptie beta male government.

In fact the lawyers and the accountants who work for the big corpoarations are exhibiting alpha male dominance over the betas in canberra and for this i give them a round of applause.

keep up the god work men.

Starve the beast  Wink Wink

Starve the fat cats, you mean



Poor you...  still working for 'the man'.

Start your own business, you lazy bugger and then you can live off all those subsidies and loopholes you keep ranting about.

You will starve.
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