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Reply #15 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:09pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

There is a "50-50 chance" taxpayers could be left to foot a clean-up bill for open cut brown coal mines in Victoria's east, an inquiry has heard.

The issue was raised in evidence to the Hazelwood Mine Fire Inquiry that has been looking into the rehabilitation of the Latrobe Valley's three coal mines: Yallourn, Loy Yang and Hazelwood.

A Victorian Department of Economic Development, Jobs, Transport and Resources report stated there was a 50 per cent chance that, "licensees become insolvent, leaving significant costs to be borne by the state in carrying out approved rehabilitation works."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-18/taxpayers-may-have-to-pay-clean-up-bill-fo...

and then the lib fan boys have the hide to tell us wind turbines are an eye sore Cheesy

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You couldnt spell 'screw' correctly?

What is worth noting that all these mines date back many decades well before the current regulations.

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Reply #16 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

Now wait for the increased unemployment benefits bill once we start paying all of the now unemployed miners who, like successive Governments put nothing aside to allow for this moment...

Over the boom they contributed $350B to the country's bottom line. You think a little bit of dole money now is asking to much? And they will contribute it yet again in the future.

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Reply #17 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:14pm

Bam wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

You don't remember very well. Mining is one of the least subsidised of industry sectors....
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/mining%20subs.png
Source: P21

7% of the subsidies, 2% of the workforce.

... and generates $138 billion for Australia in export income.

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Reply #18 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:22pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

You don't remember very well. Mining is one of the least subsidised of industry sectors....
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/mining%20subs.png
Source: P21

7% of the subsidies, 2% of the workforce.

... and generates $138 billion for Australia in export income.

So they shouldn't clean up their own mess and have no need to pay any tax ?

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Reply #19 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:28pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

You don't remember very well. Mining is one of the least subsidised of industry sectors....
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/mining%20subs.png
Source: P21

7% of the subsidies, 2% of the workforce.

... and generates $138 billion for Australia in export income.

Can anyone explain to me about this Australian income that is collected mainly by multinationals and kept in accounts in the Cayman Islands and such at the same time as the company makes a loss and pays no tax ?

It does not seem to do much for me or Australia.

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Reply #20 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:36pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

You don't remember very well. Mining is one of the least subsidised of industry sectors....
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/mining%20subs.png
Source: P21

7% of the subsidies, 2% of the workforce.

... and generates $138 billion for Australia in export income.

Can anyone explain to me about this Australian income that is collected mainly by multinationals and kept in accounts in the Cayman Islands and such at the same time as the company makes a loss and pays no tax ?

It does not seem to do much for me or Australia.

There is no one who can explain it to you. The reason is that you can only 'understand' explanations that line up with your ideology. That and the fact that you are an idiot.

Or are you as naively gullible as you appear to think that the ATO doesnt know how to work out what companies need to pay legally?

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Reply #21 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:41pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

Now wait for the increased unemployment benefits bill once we start paying all of the now unemployed miners who, like successive Governments put nothing aside to allow for this moment...

Over the boom they contributed $350B to the country's bottom line.

Most of which Howard and Costello basically blew on wealthfare and unsustainable tax cuts.

You think a little bit of dole money now is asking to much?

Well, you've made it clear enough, and often enough, that for OTHER unemployed people, you believe it IS asking too much. What makes a miner different or more 'deserving' than anyone else who loses their job?

And they will contribute it yet again in the future.

And again, you have indicated on more than one occasion that you believe other unemployed people have been on the dole since they left school and will be on it till they get the pension.

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Reply #22 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:07pm

Kat wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

Now wait for the increased unemployment benefits bill once we start paying all of the now unemployed miners who, like successive Governments put nothing aside to allow for this moment...

Over the boom they contributed $350B to the country's bottom line.

Most of which Howard and Costello basically blew on wealthfare and unsustainable tax cuts.

You think a little bit of dole money now is asking to much?

Well, you've made it clear enough, and often enough, that for OTHER unemployed people, you believe it IS asking too much. What makes a miner different or more 'deserving' than anyone else who loses their job?

And they will contribute it yet again in the future.

And again, you have indicated on more than one occasion that you believe other unemployed people have been on the dole since they left school and will be on it till they get the pension.

You really are a dim tool. Everything you say is rubbish and drivel. It explains why after a lifetime of the dole you have risen to 'bike assembler'.

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Reply #23 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:12pm

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

There are times when one just hates being right.

I said this would happen when the mining boom busted, I said it back when there was much hand wringing and angst about taxing miners more...

Now we have this reality to deal with.

Mining clearly has not been all that good for Australia, but the few who gain material wealth clearly had more democratic rights than the rest of us who have to deal with their mess left over.

Those three nasty brown coal mines were never art of the mining boom genius, they only existed to feed their brown filth into Victoria's power grid, not to export or make money.

In coal mining term they are no better than a eat bog, much like the rest of victoria.

Maybe being totally ignorant works like a charm with your fellow inbred socialist, but in the real world not so much. This country has earned billions out of our mining; we produce 50% of the world steel making coal, try stopping that and see how things turn out, einstein.

Fkkk me you people are beyond stupid.

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Re: Miners say 'skrew you' to Australia
Reply #24 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:18pm

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

There are times when one just hates being right.

I said this would happen when the mining boom busted, I said it back when there was much hand wringing and angst about taxing miners more...

Now we have this reality to deal with.

Mining clearly has not been all that good for Australia, but the few who gain material wealth clearly had more democratic rights than the rest of us who have to deal with their mess left over.

Those three nasty brown coal mines were never art of the mining boom genius, they only existed to feed their brown filth into Victoria's power grid, not to export or make money.

In coal mining term they are no better than a eat bog, much like the rest of victoria.

Maybe being totally ignorant works like a charm with your fellow inbred socialist, but in the real world not so much. This country has earned billions out of our mining; we produce 50% of the world steel making coal, try stopping that and see how things turn out, einstein.

Fkkk me you people are beyond stupid.

Subtle.

But not wrong.

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Reply #25 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:25pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

You don't remember very well. Mining is one of the least subsidised of industry sectors....
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/mining%20subs.png
Source: P21

7% of the subsidies, 2% of the workforce.

... and generates $138 billion for Australia in export income.

Can anyone explain to me about this Australian income that is collected mainly by multinationals and kept in accounts in the Cayman Islands and such at the same time as the company makes a loss and pays no tax ?

It does not seem to do much for me or Australia.

There is no one who can explain it to you. The reason is that you can only 'understand' explanations that line up with your ideology. That and the fact that you are an idiot.

Or are you as naively gullible as you appear to think that the ATO doesnt know how to work out what companies need to pay legally?

Zero apparently under the current rules.

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Reply #26 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:27pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

You don't remember very well. Mining is one of the least subsidised of industry sectors....
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/mining%20subs.png
Source: P21

7% of the subsidies, 2% of the workforce.

... and generates $138 billion for Australia in export income.

Can anyone explain to me about this Australian income that is collected mainly by multinationals and kept in accounts in the Cayman Islands and such at the same time as the company makes a loss and pays no tax ?

It does not seem to do much for me or Australia.

There is no one who can explain it to you. The reason is that you can only 'understand' explanations that line up with your ideology. That and the fact that you are an idiot.

Or are you as naively gullible as you appear to think that the ATO doesnt know how to work out what companies need to pay legally?

There is no one who can explain it to you

I'll take that as you don't know.

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Reply #27 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:30pm

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

There are times when one just hates being right.

I said this would happen when the mining boom busted, I said it back when there was much hand wringing and angst about taxing miners more...

Now we have this reality to deal with.

Mining clearly has not been all that good for Australia, but the few who gain material wealth clearly had more democratic rights than the rest of us who have to deal with their mess left over.

Those three nasty brown coal mines were never art of the mining boom genius, they only existed to feed their brown filth into Victoria's power grid, not to export or make money.

In coal mining term they are no better than a eat bog, much like the rest of victoria.

Maybe being totally ignorant works like a charm with your fellow inbred socialist, but in the real world not so much. This country has earned billions out of our mining; we produce 50% of the world steel making coal, try stopping that and see how things turn out, einstein.

Fkkk me you people are beyond stupid.

This country has earned billions out of our mining;

The mostly foreign mining companies have earned billions out of mining ?

The Australian government don't mine anything except for our bank accounts.

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Reply #28 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:40pm

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

There are times when one just hates being right.

I said this would happen when the mining boom busted, I said it back when there was much hand wringing and angst about taxing miners more...

Now we have this reality to deal with.

Mining clearly has not been all that good for Australia, but the few who gain material wealth clearly had more democratic rights than the rest of us who have to deal with their mess left over.

Those three nasty brown coal mines were never art of the mining boom genius, they only existed to feed their brown filth into Victoria's power grid, not to export or make money.

In coal mining term they are no better than a eat bog, much like the rest of victoria.

Maybe being totally ignorant works like a charm with your fellow inbred socialist, but in the real world not so much. This country has earned billions out of our mining; we produce 50% of the world steel making coal, try stopping that and see how things turn out, einstein.

Fkkk me you people are beyond stupid.

I don't know so much re 'ignorant socialists' or 'beyond stupid', since this
one, at least, is essentially in agreement with you.

Did you actually see this - it basically agrees with your estimation, and
also explains some of the differences between brown and black coal.

Here it is again - for those who missed it.

Quote:
That brown coal really is filthy stuff - full of impurities, doesn't burn that well, or
very cleanly, and has a fairly low calorific value (meaning it's quite inefficient). It
is not particularly 'old', geologically speaking.

Black coal (anthracite) on the other hand, has few impurities, burns cleanly and well
and has a high calorific value. Anthracite from the Hunter region (Newcastle area) is
well-known for being some of the best steaming-coal in the world. It is generally
formed much earlier geologically, and been formed under much higher pressures.

Why we continue to burn the brown rubbish (often not that far removed from peat)
when we have so much vastly superior black coal, I don't know. It's like having a
choice between kerosene and Premium for your car, and choosing the kerosene.

I was, albeit in more detail, attempting to make the same point you are.

« Last Edit: Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:45pm by Kat »

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Re: Miners say 'skrew you' to Australia
Reply #29 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:46pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:07pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:41pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

Now wait for the increased unemployment benefits bill once we start paying all of the now unemployed miners who, like successive Governments put nothing aside to allow for this moment...

Over the boom they contributed $350B to the country's bottom line.

Most of which Howard and Costello basically blew on wealthfare and unsustainable tax cuts.

You think a little bit of dole money now is asking to much?

Well, you've made it clear enough, and often enough, that for OTHER unemployed people, you believe it IS asking too much. What makes a miner different or more 'deserving' than anyone else who loses their job?

And they will contribute it yet again in the future.

And again, you have indicated on more than one occasion that you believe other unemployed people have been on the dole since they left school and will be on it till they get the pension.

You really are a dim tool. Everything you say is rubbish and drivel. It explains why after a lifetime of the dole you have risen to 'bike assembler'.

Ophir cough.

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