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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75097 Gender:	Re: Miners say 'skrew you' to Australia Reply #45 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 10:03pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:46pm: Why didn't Labor axe those tax cuts? They had ample opportunity no they didn't ... labor had a minority government and tony voted against every single one of labors attempts to wind back the Howards wealthfare
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Reply #46 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 11:51pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Why didn't Labor axe those tax cuts? They had ample opportunity

no they didn't ... labor had a minority government and tony voted against every single one of labors attempts to wind back the Howards wealthfare

....not in its first term

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Miners say 'skrew you' to Australia Reply #47 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:39am The first term was taken up by fighting the GFC and starting to reduce the infrastructure deficit. The useless Libs have cut actual infrastructure projects so they can run a campaign saying how much infrastructure they are building!
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Reply #48 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:00am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:30pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

There are times when one just hates being right.

I said this would happen when the mining boom busted, I said it back when there was much hand wringing and angst about taxing miners more...

Now we have this reality to deal with.

Mining clearly has not been all that good for Australia, but the few who gain material wealth clearly had more democratic rights than the rest of us who have to deal with their mess left over.

Those three nasty brown coal mines were never art of the mining boom genius, they only existed to feed their brown filth into Victoria's power grid, not to export or make money.

In coal mining term they are no better than a eat bog, much like the rest of victoria.

Maybe being totally ignorant works like a charm with your fellow inbred socialist, but in the real world not so much. This country has earned billions out of our mining; we produce 50% of the world steel making coal, try stopping that and see how things turn out, einstein.

Fkkk me you people are beyond stupid.

This country has earned billions out of our mining;

The mostly foreign mining companies have earned billions out of mining ?

The Australian government don't mine anything except for our bank accounts.

Like fortescue metals, BHP, and hancock prosecting and the countless small and medium enterprises all either privately own by Australians or listed on the Australian stock exchange.

Not every mining company is foreign, and the government makes money out of mining without actually being the miner.

So thanks for reinforcing my opinion.

It doesn't take much to climb out of you cesspool of ignorance.

The mining companies profit margins are not in the billions, not by a longs short, god please tell be you know the difference between gross and net profit and how the outgoings of wages, capital expenditure, maintenance all affect those 'billions'.

In one breath we are earning billions and the next its explaining why it was really a loss ? Go figure, then there is the tax concessions.

Is english not your first language.

My post stated the COUNTRY earned billions, you tried to lie and make out is was foreign miners, which it was not.

Fkkk a six yr old can keep up with this conversation what is your problem.

Like I said I don't you to reinforce how cretinous you socialists are, we are well aware.

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Reply #49 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:02am

John Smith wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

You don't remember very well. Mining is one of the least subsidised of industry sectors....
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/mining%20subs.png
Source: P21

7% of the subsidies, 2% of the workforce.

... and generates $138 billion for Australia in export income.

so who gets that $138B? Australia or their shareholders? Cheesy

Their shareholders who are Australian. You do know what you superfund is doing with your money don't you?

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Reply #50 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:43am

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

There are times when one just hates being right.

I said this would happen when the mining boom busted, I said it back when there was much hand wringing and angst about taxing miners more...

Now we have this reality to deal with.

Mining clearly has not been all that good for Australia, but the few who gain material wealth clearly had more democratic rights than the rest of us who have to deal with their mess left over.

Those three nasty brown coal mines were never art of the mining boom genius, they only existed to feed their brown filth into Victoria's power grid, not to export or make money.

They were part of the mining industry though. Nice attempt to deflect, but mining in mining, one would think with your high end genius you would have realise that.

Don't bother arguing minutia. That's just childish.

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

In coal mining term they are no better than a eat bog, much like the rest of victoria.

Irrelevent, they're still mining and, as it happens have still left a mess for someone else (you and I paying taxes that is) to clean up. Does it really matter what they dug up? Seriously?

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Maybe being totally ignorant works like a charm with your fellow inbred socialist, but in the real world not so much. This country has earned billions out of our mining; we produce 50% of the world steel making coal, try stopping that and see how things turn out, einstein.

That's just incorrect abuse, perhaps a hint there that you have no reasonable arguments to present. When you decide to not be abusive I am more than happy to have a debate with you, this is just rubbish though.

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Fkkk me you people are beyond stupid.

I am not sure you're qualified to make such a judgment.

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Reply #51 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:14am

John Smith wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Why didn't Labor axe those tax cuts? They had ample opportunity

no they didn't ... labor had a minority government and tony voted against every single one of labors attempts to wind back the Howards wealthfare

In their first term after taking office from Howard, the ALP had the run of the place with support from the Greens and Independents. They had ample time to make any changes they wanted. They could've abolished the GST if they'd wanted to.

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Reply #52 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 8:07am

Swagman wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 11:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Why didn't Labor axe those tax cuts? They had ample opportunity

no they didn't ... labor had a minority government and tony voted against every single one of labors attempts to wind back the Howards wealthfare

....not in its first term

they did a lot in their first term and ran out of time before they started attacking themselves

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Reply #53 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 8:08am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:14am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Why didn't Labor axe those tax cuts? They had ample opportunity

no they didn't ... labor had a minority government and tony voted against every single one of labors attempts to wind back the Howards wealthfare

In their first term after taking office from Howard, the ALP had the run of the place with support from the Greens and Independents. They had ample time to make any changes they wanted. They could've abolished the GST if they'd wanted to.

yeah ... that must explain why they couldn't get the ETS passed Cheesy

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Reply #54 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 8:10am

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:02am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

You don't remember very well. Mining is one of the least subsidised of industry sectors....
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/mining%20subs.png
Source: P21

7% of the subsidies, 2% of the workforce.

... and generates $138 billion for Australia in export income.

so who gets that $138B? Australia or their shareholders? Cheesy

Their shareholders who are Australian. You do know what you superfund is doing with your money don't you?

really bigol? $138B all owned by aussie shareholders? me thinks you is making crap up again

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Reply #55 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 8:40am

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:00am:

Is english not your first language.

My post stated the COUNTRY earned billions, you tried to lie and make out is was foreign miners, which it was not.

Fkkk a six yr old can keep up with this conversation what is your problem.

Like I said I don't you to reinforce how cretinous you socialists are, we are well aware.

and generates $138 billion for Australia in export income.
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My post stated the COUNTRY earned billions, you tried to lie and make out is was foreign miners, which it was not.

The country does not export mined material - the mining companies do many of which are not Australian or wholly Australian.

Australia only benefits indirectly, at best.

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Reply #56 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 8:49am

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:02am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

Bam wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

You don't remember very well. Mining is one of the least subsidised of industry sectors....
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/mining%20subs.png
Source: P21

7% of the subsidies, 2% of the workforce.

... and generates $138 billion for Australia in export income.

so who gets that $138B? Australia or their shareholders? Cheesy

Their shareholders who are Australian. You do know what you superfund is doing with your money don't you?

really bigol? $138B all owned by aussie shareholders? me thinks you is making crap up again

Yes he is but it was worth a try.

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Reply #57 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 8:53am

Several reasons:

- They didn't have the political courage to end the rorting.

- GFC hit and they couldn't make necessary cuts without possibly hurting consumer spending.

- They had no intention of looking at those cuts to begin with and thought they could find other revenue streams.

I would think it was elements of all of these.

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Reply #58 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:02am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Why didn't Labor axe those tax cuts? They had ample opportunity

No government has the courage to wind back tax cuts. Though this is the obvious and best easiest solution.

In the first term it with the GFC and so many other things happening it was not obviously apparent that it was the cause of the problem.

The tax cuts were reliant on the booming economy, many made the assumption that when the GFC was tamed that the boom would re start. Had this occurred then the government income would have continued to cover the unaffordable tax cuts. Unfortunately Australia returned to a more normal economic level aligned with the long term averages. The tax cuts were based on an economic boom which had ended. This was not well understood till after 2010 at the earliest.

Ever since every government have been looking to cut expenditure and raise money in other ways.

Cuts to health education etc is the Libs attempt and now raising the GST etc. This has all been an attempt to cover up the errors made by Howard and Costello.

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Reply #59 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:03am

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

There are times when one just hates being right.

I said this would happen when the mining boom busted, I said it back when there was much hand wringing and angst about taxing miners more...

Now we have this reality to deal with.

Mining clearly has not been all that good for Australia, but the few who gain material wealth clearly had more democratic rights than the rest of us who have to deal with their mess left over.

funny way to look at things..

and 50/ 50 chance means they [the taxpayer] have a good chance of NOT PAYING..

of course the doom and gloom party will see it a lost cause...even though they didnt see the pinkbatts as a lost cause... Roll Eyes

...remember the clean up.. Roll Eyes

the Mines will have to do the RIGHT THING>...

even if it ends up 50 50 paying....because it was the country the WHOLE COUNTRY including lefties who benefited from the mines...

we are never grateful for anything....

we never applaud something that bloody fed us for years....yet when it comes to something like this.. some jump in with claws exposed to hold them accountable....and even jail them, if they had their way...what an amazing way to view the world and your country..

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