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Reply #60 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:10am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:46pm:

Why didn't Labor axe those tax cuts? They had ample opportunity

No government has the courage to wind back tax cuts. Though this is the obvious and best easiest solution.

In the first term it with the GFC and so many other things happening it was not obviously apparent that it was the cause of the problem.

The tax cuts were reliant on the booming economy, many made the assumption that when the GFC was tamed that the boom would re start. Had this occurred then the government income would have continued to cover the unaffordable tax cuts. Unfortunately Australia returned to a more normal economic level aligned with the long term averages. The tax cuts were based on an economic boom which had ended. This was not well understood till after 2010 at the earliest.

Ever since every government have been looking to cut expenditure and raise money in other ways.

Cuts to health education etc is the Libs attempt and now raising the GST etc. This has all been an attempt to cover up the errors made by Howard and Costello.

dna mining has kept this amazing country going for years and years....

I dont think anyway saw the boom going down as fast as it has.....you would have needed a crystal ball to see that far ahead.

its a double whammy...both price and sales at the same time taking a dive....A BIG DIVE....and no end in sight..

if someone had the crystal ball and said this trend will reverse in 2017... they could juggle the balls in the air...

however... that isnt the case....

you blame the Howard govt.... Roll Eyes

ok whats new

however if it wasnt for them we wouldnt have a GST...

what sort of mess would we have had then????>..

a million different taxes.... Roll Eyes

makes sense to some. Roll Eyes

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Reply #61 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:22am

Mining Companies have made a lot of money out of exploiting Australian resources....Part of their obligation in being granted contracts is to rehabilitate the environment once the mine is closed....I doubt the mining companies will be able to walk away from this without a fight from the Government and Australian people!!!

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Kiron22 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 896 Gender:	Re: Miners say 'skrew you' to Australia Reply #62 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:44am cods wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:10am: I dont think anyway saw the boom going down as fast as it has.....you would have needed a crystal ball to see that far ahead. Wut, everyone called the mining boom coming to an end years ago.
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Reply #63 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:52am

cods wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

I dont think anyway saw the boom going down as fast as it has.....you would have needed a crystal ball to see that far ahead.

It was lunacy to have all the eggs in the resources basket and then to gear the economy to rely on a one industry boom to be able to pay the bills was about as stupid as it gets.

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Kiron22 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 896 Gender:	Re: Miners say 'skrew you' to Australia Reply #64 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:54am I still remember LAST YEAR the Daily Telegraph and Liberals hating on the Greens for stating Coal would be a dead industry by 2040 and Australia needs to diversify it's economy. Then a year later "Nobody saw it coming"
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Reply #65 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:57am

cods wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

however if it wasnt for them we wouldnt have a GST...

What a failure the GST has been.

It survived one Liberal government before needing to be increased by 50%, it has failed beyond the greatest pessimists expectation. Howard and Costello told us that this would hold us in a strong position for the next 100 years.

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Reply #66 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 12:29pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:57am:

cods wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

however if it wasnt for them we wouldnt have a GST...

What a failure the GST has been.

It survived one Liberal government before needing to be increased by 50%, it has failed beyond the greatest pessimists expectation. Howard and Costello told us that this would hold us in a strong position for the next 100 years.

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Reply #67 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 1:10pm

cods wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

There are times when one just hates being right.

I said this would happen when the mining boom busted, I said it back when there was much hand wringing and angst about taxing miners more...

Now we have this reality to deal with.

Mining clearly has not been all that good for Australia, but the few who gain material wealth clearly had more democratic rights than the rest of us who have to deal with their mess left over.

funny way to look at things..

and 50/ 50 chance means they [the taxpayer] have a good chance of NOT PAYING..

of course the doom and gloom party will see it a lost cause...even though they didnt see the pinkbatts as a lost cause... Roll Eyes

...remember the clean up.. Roll Eyes

the Mines will have to do the RIGHT THING>...

even if it ends up 50 50 paying....because it was the country the WHOLE COUNTRY including lefties who benefited from the mines...

we are never grateful for anything....

we never applaud something that bloody fed us for years....yet when it comes to something like this.. some jump in with claws exposed to hold them accountable....and even jail them, if they had their way...what an amazing way to view the world and your country..

Jesus, nice rant.

Mining never fed me, at all. Personally I am grateful for a great many things, unfortunately none of them have been provided directly or indirectly by a politician or a mining magnate. Hence, I have nothing to be grateful to them for.

Now as to this 50/50 chance thing, part of the agreement that mining interests signed onto was to restore the local area... That was all well and good to sign whilst things were booming, but now it might be a 50/50 problem. You can be happy for people to welch on their agreement and cause you to payout for their irresponsibility all you like, but not me.

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Reply #68 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 1:16pm

Kiron22 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

I still remember LAST YEAR the Daily Telegraph and Liberals hating on the Greens for stating Coal would be a dead industry by 2040 and Australia needs to diversify it's economy.

Then a year later "Nobody saw it coming" Grin

Pirates Of the Current Eon

Curse Of The Black Coal

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Reply #69 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:09pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:52am:

cods wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:10am:

I dont think anyway saw the boom going down as fast as it has.....you would have needed a crystal ball to see that far ahead.

It was lunacy to have all the eggs in the resources basket and then to gear the economy to rely on a one industry boom to be able to pay the bills was about as stupid as it gets.

No single person or government put all the eggs in the resource sector. They just did all the hard work while lazy buggers like you stood around and didnt develop any other products, services or industries. YOU ARE TO BLAME

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Reply #70 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:11pm

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 1:10pm:

cods wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

There are times when one just hates being right.

I said this would happen when the mining boom busted, I said it back when there was much hand wringing and angst about taxing miners more...

Now we have this reality to deal with.

Mining clearly has not been all that good for Australia, but the few who gain material wealth clearly had more democratic rights than the rest of us who have to deal with their mess left over.

funny way to look at things..

and 50/ 50 chance means they [the taxpayer] have a good chance of NOT PAYING..

of course the doom and gloom party will see it a lost cause...even though they didnt see the pinkbatts as a lost cause... Roll Eyes

...remember the clean up.. Roll Eyes

the Mines will have to do the RIGHT THING>...

even if it ends up 50 50 paying....because it was the country the WHOLE COUNTRY including lefties who benefited from the mines...

we are never grateful for anything....

we never applaud something that bloody fed us for years....yet when it comes to something like this.. some jump in with claws exposed to hold them accountable....and even jail them, if they had their way...what an amazing way to view the world and your country..

Jesus, nice rant.

Mining never fed me, at all. Personally I am grateful for a great many things, unfortunately none of them have been provided directly or indirectly by a politician or a mining magnate. Hence, I have nothing to be grateful to them for.

Now as to this 50/50 chance thing, part of the agreement that mining interests signed onto was to restore the local area... That was all well and good to sign whilst things were booming, but now it might be a 50/50 problem. You can be happy for people to welch on their agreement and cause you to payout for their irresponsibility all you like, but not me.

If you receive any government welfare or any services, they are paid in a significant way from mining revenues.

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Reply #71 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:28pm

How so when mining pays hardly any revenues?

https://cgc.gov.au/index.php?option=com_attachments&task=download&id=1916

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1301.0~2012~Main%20F...

Not much joy there, I'm afraid..... I have to go to work again.... Saturday nights leading up to Xmas are hostile.....

"When Crazy Longy was a child, he fed from the breast of every Liberal bribe. That's how the Cons raised their children. Every policy he called 'mother' and every old warrior idea he called 'grandfather'.

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Reply #72 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:33pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:11pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 1:10pm:

cods wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

There are times when one just hates being right.

I said this would happen when the mining boom busted, I said it back when there was much hand wringing and angst about taxing miners more...

Now we have this reality to deal with.

Mining clearly has not been all that good for Australia, but the few who gain material wealth clearly had more democratic rights than the rest of us who have to deal with their mess left over.

funny way to look at things..

and 50/ 50 chance means they [the taxpayer] have a good chance of NOT PAYING..

of course the doom and gloom party will see it a lost cause...even though they didnt see the pinkbatts as a lost cause... Roll Eyes

...remember the clean up.. Roll Eyes

the Mines will have to do the RIGHT THING>...

even if it ends up 50 50 paying....because it was the country the WHOLE COUNTRY including lefties who benefited from the mines...

we are never grateful for anything....

we never applaud something that bloody fed us for years....yet when it comes to something like this.. some jump in with claws exposed to hold them accountable....and even jail them, if they had their way...what an amazing way to view the world and your country..

Jesus, nice rant.

Mining never fed me, at all. Personally I am grateful for a great many things, unfortunately none of them have been provided directly or indirectly by a politician or a mining magnate. Hence, I have nothing to be grateful to them for.

Now as to this 50/50 chance thing, part of the agreement that mining interests signed onto was to restore the local area... That was all well and good to sign whilst things were booming, but now it might be a 50/50 problem. You can be happy for people to welch on their agreement and cause you to payout for their irresponsibility all you like, but not me.

If you receive any government welfare or any services, they are paid in a significant way from mining revenues.

Then how stupid was it to pork barrel on the back of mining revenues???

Huh

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Reply #73 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:37pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:28pm:

How so when mining pays hardly any revenues?

https://cgc.gov.au/index.php?option=com_attachments&task=download&id=1916

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1301.0~2012~Main%20F...

Not much joy there, I'm afraid..... I have to go to work again.... Saturday nights leading up to Xmas are hostile.....

"When Crazy Longy was a child, he fed from the breast of every Liberal bribe. That's how the Cons raised their children. Every policy he called 'mother' and every old warrior idea he called 'grandfather'.

"Any o' you sons o' bitches call me Grampa... I kill ya!"

You really are a truly dumb sod. Mining is still one of the highest tax-paying industries in australia.

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Reply #74 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:37pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:11pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 1:10pm:

cods wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

There are times when one just hates being right.

I said this would happen when the mining boom busted, I said it back when there was much hand wringing and angst about taxing miners more...

Now we have this reality to deal with.

Mining clearly has not been all that good for Australia, but the few who gain material wealth clearly had more democratic rights than the rest of us who have to deal with their mess left over.

funny way to look at things..

and 50/ 50 chance means they [the taxpayer] have a good chance of NOT PAYING..

of course the doom and gloom party will see it a lost cause...even though they didnt see the pinkbatts as a lost cause... Roll Eyes

...remember the clean up.. Roll Eyes

the Mines will have to do the RIGHT THING>...

even if it ends up 50 50 paying....because it was the country the WHOLE COUNTRY including lefties who benefited from the mines...

we are never grateful for anything....

we never applaud something that bloody fed us for years....yet when it comes to something like this.. some jump in with claws exposed to hold them accountable....and even jail them, if they had their way...what an amazing way to view the world and your country..

Jesus, nice rant.

Mining never fed me, at all. Personally I am grateful for a great many things, unfortunately none of them have been provided directly or indirectly by a politician or a mining magnate. Hence, I have nothing to be grateful to them for.

Now as to this 50/50 chance thing, part of the agreement that mining interests signed onto was to restore the local area... That was all well and good to sign whilst things were booming, but now it might be a 50/50 problem. You can be happy for people to welch on their agreement and cause you to payout for their irresponsibility all you like, but not me.

If you receive any government welfare or any services, they are paid in a significant way from mining revenues.

Then how stupid was it to pork barrel on the back of mining revenues???

Huh

Like Labor did before the mining crash?

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