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the good ole boys Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 658 Gender:	Re: Australian racist cartoonist berated in media Reply #30 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:43pm What is it with little brown people from the 3rd world and cartoons? You'd think they love some cheering up. They don't mind burning a flag or waving a beheading sign around themselves. Bloody hypocrites!!
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Reply #31 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'.

Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted.

And once again...that was NOT the implication.

Clearly it was.

No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge..

At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic...

No one's arguing the validity of the point the cartoon is making - in my view it was a good point to make. But it was also racist. Believe it or not - a cartoon can be making a good point and be racist at the same time.

He should have stopped at "its no good you can't eat them" - that gets the point across perfectly. The inclusion of both the ape-like creature bashing a box with an axe because he's too stupid to know how to open it, as well as the man thinking that mango chutney will make glass and metal edible - is racist to any reasonable person.

Agreed.

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Reply #32 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:45pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'.

Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted.

And once again...that was NOT the implication.

Clearly it was.

No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge..

At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic...

No one's arguing the validity of the point the cartoon is making - in my view it was a good point to make. But it was also racist. Believe it or not - a cartoon can be making a good point and be racist at the same time.

He should have stopped at "its no good you can't eat them" - that gets the point across perfectly. The inclusion of both the ape-like creature bashing a box with an axe because he's too stupid to know how to open it, as well as the man thinking that mango chutney will make glass and metal edible - is racist to any reasonable person.

No, it was a comment on how useless solar panels (or wind turbines etc) would be to any 3rd world country full of starving, poor people.

It really wouldn't have mattered if the people in the cartoon were Indians, or Africans, or Asians...some soft c)ck overly sensitive idiot would have taken offence, because the cartoonist was a middle-class, white (possibly Christian) male...and THAT is all that this is about.

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Reply #33 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:48pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'.

Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted.

And once again...that was NOT the implication.

Clearly it was.

No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge..

At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic...

No one's arguing the validity of the point the cartoon is making - in my view it was a good point to make. But it was also racist. Believe it or not - a cartoon can be making a good point and be racist at the same time.

He should have stopped at "its no good you can't eat them" - that gets the point across perfectly. The inclusion of both the ape-like creature bashing a box with an axe because he's too stupid to know how to open it, as well as the man thinking that mango chutney will make glass and metal edible - is racist to any reasonable person.

No, it was a comment on how useless solar panels (or wind turbines etc) would be to any 3rd world country full of starving, poor people.

Do you think it was complimentary to those people Gizmo? Or did it belittle them?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Australian racist cartoonist berated in media Reply #34 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:50pm Exactly right gizmo - third world starving poor people who resemble apes and go around smashing aid boxes with axes - and are too stupid to understand that mango chutney doesn't make glass and metal any more edible.
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the good ole boys Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 658 Gender:	Re: Australian racist cartoonist berated in media Reply #35 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:51pm Bloody do-gooders don't mind belittling people when they use the terms houso and bogan.
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Reply #36 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:52pm

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'.

Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted.

And once again...that was NOT the implication.

Clearly it was.

No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge..

At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic...

No one's arguing the validity of the point the cartoon is making - in my view it was a good point to make. But it was also racist. Believe it or not - a cartoon can be making a good point and be racist at the same time.

He should have stopped at "its no good you can't eat them" - that gets the point across perfectly. The inclusion of both the ape-like creature bashing a box with an axe because he's too stupid to know how to open it, as well as the man thinking that mango chutney will make glass and metal edible - is racist to any reasonable person.

No, it was a comment on how useless solar panels (or wind turbines etc) would be to any 3rd world country full of starving, poor people.

Do you think it was complimentary to those people Gizmo? Or did it belittle them?

Neither actually. It DID, however, point out the sort of conditions that a fairly large percentage of people in India live in...Which was, I feel, sort of the purpose of the cartoon.

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Reply #37 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Exactly right gizmo - third world starving poor people who resemble apes and go around smashing aid boxes with axes - and are too stupid to understand that mango chutney doesn't make glass and metal any more edible.

I suppose you want his head cut off like what your brothers do when they hate a cartoon Gandalf?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35391 Gender:	Re: Australian racist cartoonist berated in media Reply #38 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:53pm the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:43pm: What is it with little brown people from the 3rd world and cartoons? You'd think they love some cheering up. They don't mind burning a flag or waving a beheading sign around themselves. Bloody hypocrites!! Spoken like a true racist.
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Reply #39 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:55pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Exactly right gizmo - third world starving poor people who resemble apes and go around smashing aid boxes with axes - and are too stupid to understand that mango chutney doesn't make glass and metal any more edible.

NO gandalf....3rd world starving poor people who have been 'promised' something so incredibly useless to them, that it's almost obscene....And who are so desperate and hungry that they'll try to eat anything, if the rich nations aren't smart enough to send food...

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Reply #40 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:55pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

It DID, however, point out the sort of conditions that a fairly large percentage of people in India live in...Which was, I feel, sort of the purpose of the cartoon.

Do you think its a fair portrayal of Indian people as people who think mango chutney might make glass and metal edible?

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Reply #41 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:56pm

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:53pm:

the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:43pm:

What is it with little brown people from the 3rd world and cartoons? You'd think they love some cheering up. They don't mind burning a flag or waving a beheading sign around themselves. Bloody hypocrites!!

Spoken like a true racist.

Going to dob me in now are you?

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Reply #42 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:00pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Exactly right gizmo - third world starving poor people who resemble apes and go around smashing aid boxes with axes - and are too stupid to understand that mango chutney doesn't make glass and metal any more edible.

NO gandalf....3rd world starving poor people who have been 'promised' something so incredibly useless to them, that it's almost obscene....And who are so desperate and hungry that they'll try to eat anything, if the rich nations aren't smart enough to send food...

I reckon even starving people are smart enough to know that the components of solar panels are not edible - even tinted ones.

Besides, why include the axe man - if not to make them seem more 'ape-like'?

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Reply #43 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:01pm

[quote author=the_good_ole_boys link=1450399320/41#41 date=1450410999][quote author=mothra link=1450399320/38#38 date=1450410839][quote author=the_good_ole_boys link=1450399320/30#30 date=1450410219]What is it with little brown people from the 3rd world and cartoons? You'd think they love some cheering up. They don't mind burning a flag or waving a beheading sign around themselves. Bloody hypocrites!![/quote]

Spoken like a true racist.[/quote]Going to dob me in now are you?
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Reply #44 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 2:17pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:41pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

And as always, we get caught up squabbling over the word 'racist'.

Fine then: implying that Indians are so stupid to think solar panels will be edible with some mango chutney is racist bigoted.

And once again...that was NOT the implication.

Clearly it was.

No, "Clearly" (to normal people with functioning brains), it was a comment on the idea of giving hungry people the latest electrical gadgets....when what they actually need/want is FOOD and/or WATER. If you want to help the poor in India, give them crops and seeds with better yields per acre..Not much point in having the power to run your fridge when there's nothing to put in the fridge..

At the moment, giving them the means to light their homes, or power their tv sets doesn't really help the poor people in 3rd world countries, when they don't have enough to eat, or clean drinking water, or even homes that aren't made out of cardboard and plastic...

Yet the implication is that these people don't recognise non-edible materials. It infers quite heavily that they are stupid.

No, the implication is that they are SOOO hungry that they'll try to eat anything.

Not an inference about their intelligence, just about their desperation.

They don't look very desperate to me, Gizmo. They look lazy.

Why would they be portrayed as hungry? There are no current famines in India. Food distribution is good. Hunger in India has not been reported in the media lately, and for good reason. Reportedly, Indians don't go hungry.

Solar panels are being proposed as a way of delivering electricity to the villages - farmers who grow food. India is not trying to meet a demand for food, it's trying to supply electricity to remote areas.

Why would anyone try to shift this focus to food?

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