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Reply #45 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:18pm
 
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:43pm:
What is it with little brown people from the 3rd world and cartoons? You'd think they love some cheering up. They don't mind burning a flag or waving a beheading sign around themselves. Bloody hypocrites!!


Now now, Homo. Islam is not a race, remember, so it can't be about brown peoples.

Or is it?
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Reply #46 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:21pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:45pm:
because the cartoonist was a middle-class, white (possibly Christian) male...and THAT is all that this is about.


You're right, Gizmo. Indians do tend to be a tad sensitive about the way they're portrayed in the press by middle-class, white, (possibly Christian) males.

Why do you think this is?
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Reply #47 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm
 
As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them.

Its low-cost portable solar units that is the real big boom for India's poor - and these, not coal, is what is making the difference. I'm not sure if Bill Leak is a shameless sell-out of the coal industry - but shame on him anyway for such misleading propaganda - even apart from the racism.
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Reply #48 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:00pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:55pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
Exactly right gizmo - third world starving poor people who resemble apes and go around smashing aid boxes with axes - and are too stupid to understand that mango chutney doesn't make glass and metal any more edible.



NO gandalf....3rd world starving poor people who have been 'promised' something so incredibly useless to them, that it's almost obscene....And who are so desperate and hungry that they'll try to eat anything, if the rich nations aren't smart enough to send food...


I reckon even starving people are smart enough to know that the components of solar panels are not edible - even tinted ones.

Besides, why include the axe man - if not to make them seem more 'ape-like'?


Of course the starving people know that...The point was to poke fun at the Gore-aid drinking politicians who think that renewable energy in general, and solar panels in particular, are a 'quick fix' for ALL of the worlds problems..

It's really quite surprising that you and the other "all white men are racist" patrol can't seem to wrap your heads around that point.

The World Leaders seem to be of the opinion that giving the poor in India solar panels will, magically, turn all the cardboard shacks into farm houses with lots and lots of crops and enough food to feed everyone..
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Reply #49 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:30pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns that the coal grid could supply.

Its low-cost portable solar units that is the real big boom for India's poor - and these, not coal, is what is making the difference. I'm not sure if Bill Leak is a shameless sell-out of the coal industry - but shame on him anyway for such misleading propaganda - even apart from the racism.


The current coal infrastructure is also notoriously inefficient. Daily blackouts are common in India.

Saying blackouts isn't racist. Electricity is not a race.
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Reply #50 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:30pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them.

Its low-cost portable solar units that is the real big boom for India's poor - and these, not coal, is what is making the difference. I'm not sure if Bill Leak is a shameless sell-out of the coal industry - but shame on him anyway for such misleading propaganda - even apart from the racism.



Spot on.................. no lines - no power.... no running water - no loo....... and the rich live like Sultans.... and all our aid money ends up enhancing their education and position in their society while improving the lot of the cattle classes not one whit.....

Now you see the theory behind Pol Pot etc.... get 'em out in the hot sun to learn the value of manual labour amidst the snakes in the rice paddies...... that'll learn 'em......
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Reply #51 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:32pm
 
Let me just string up a power line for you, Sahib... it will not take long.....

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Reply #52 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:33pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:00pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:55pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
Exactly right gizmo - third world starving poor people who resemble apes and go around smashing aid boxes with axes - and are too stupid to understand that mango chutney doesn't make glass and metal any more edible.



NO gandalf....3rd world starving poor people who have been 'promised' something so incredibly useless to them, that it's almost obscene....And who are so desperate and hungry that they'll try to eat anything, if the rich nations aren't smart enough to send food...


I reckon even starving people are smart enough to know that the components of solar panels are not edible - even tinted ones.

Besides, why include the axe man - if not to make them seem more 'ape-like'?


Of course the starving people know that...The point was to poke fun at the Gore-aid drinking politicians who think that renewable energy in general, and solar panels in particular, are a 'quick fix' for ALL of the worlds problems..


The problem of electricity supply, you mean?

Yes, I can see how people could make such a mistake, Gizmo - particularly at a conference designed to find a balance between the CO2 emissions of the rich and the poor.

Why wouldn't they be discussing mango chutney?
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Reply #53 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:33pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
The World Leaders seem to be of the opinion that giving the poor in India solar panels will, magically, turn all the cardboard shacks into farm houses with lots and lots of crops and enough food to feed everyone..


See my last post - cheap portable solar units are a huge booming industry in Indian slums.

As K said - Indians are not starving. This is in fact another facet of the bigotry - the assumption that all poor third world people are starving, and couldn't possibly have any use for modern technology. You belittle them by saying on their behalf that they don't need electricity - when in reality, this is exactly what they want - as demonstrated by the huge demand for these solar units in the slums and villages.
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Reply #54 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them.



Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..
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Reply #55 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:36pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them.



Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..


Yes, Gizmo. Maybe the Paris Conference can call off the meeting on CO2 emissions and get everyone to send food to India instead.

That could work.
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Reply #56 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:40pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:33pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
The World Leaders seem to be of the opinion that giving the poor in India solar panels will, magically, turn all the cardboard shacks into farm houses with lots and lots of crops and enough food to feed everyone..


See my last post - cheap portable solar units are a huge booming industry in Indian slums.


Yes, but we should still roll out coal-fired electricity grids to half a billion people. Who cares if the technology is replaced by solar in a few years?

We can send India some food in the post.
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Reply #57 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:41pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:33pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
The World Leaders seem to be of the opinion that giving the poor in India solar panels will, magically, turn all the cardboard shacks into farm houses with lots and lots of crops and enough food to feed everyone..


See my last post - cheap portable solar units are a huge booming industry in Indian slums.

As K said - Indians are not starving. This is in fact another facet of the bigotry - the assumption that all poor third world people are starving, and couldn't possibly have any use for modern technology. You belittle them by saying on their behalf that they don't need electricity - when in reality, this is exactly what they want - as demonstrated by the huge demand for these solar units in the slums and villages.



Well, tell that to the people living in the slums around New Delhi.

"India hurries to hide its poor
Officials want slums and beggars out of sight for the Commonwealth Games. Critics say they expected more from a nation that has long prided itself on its humanitarian policies.
October 01, 2010|By Mark Magnier, Los Angeles Times.

Reporting from New Delhi — The government people came one night in late September and built a partition covered with bright blue plastic sheeting and adorned with cartoonish tiger mascots and "Come Out and Play" slogans. It hid the slum known as Coolie Camp on the airport road where the foreigners pass.

Irfana Begum, 40, who collects garbage, must now lug her three-wheeled bicycle over about 300 feet of rocky ground to get to the road and make her living.

Begum, a 15-year resident of the slum, squatted in the dirt in a dusty sari, her bare feet adorned with toe rings. "They're trying to pretend that poor people don't exist in India, for their image," she said near a pile of plastic and glass bottles, cardboard and used vinyl sheeting.

"It really makes us angry," she said.

By hosting the Commonwealth Games, a mini- Olympics that begins Sunday and is to be attended by 71 nations, India hoped to propel New Delhi into the ranks of world-class cities such as London and New York and mirror Beijing's hosting of the 2008 Olympics.
ut amid bad planning, alleged corruption and shoddy workmanship, crews have barely finished the main sports venues, let alone various urban renewal projects. The result, residents and experts say, is an effort to hide the impoverished, including those in this slum near an athlete training center.

"I'm so appalled and angry at this," said Harsh Mander, a member of the ruling party's National Advisory Council after passing the cheerily camouflaged Coolie Camp. "Poverty is nothing to be ashamed of, but government and middle-class elements want to hide it."

The government has tried to rid the capital of beggars, and has used two "mobile court" trailers, with police and judges in tow, that grab and sentence panhandlers. Many receive one-year detentions in "beggar homes" or are temporarily exiled to neighboring states, leading to bureaucratic squabbles over who they "belong to."

Authorities have also cracked down on an estimated 300,000 street vendors, a significant burden on families who live hand to mouth. Daulat Ram, 50, a handicapped barber who lives in Coolie Camp, has seen his business decline precipitously since he was forced off the main road.

Most cities that host such mega-events resort to window dressing. Seoul expelled 720,000 people from their homes before the 1988 Olympics and shuttered dog-meat restaurants. Eight years later, Atlanta issued 9,000 arrest citations for the homeless. Athens removed hundreds of Roma, also known as Gypsies, before the 2004 Games."

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/01/world/la-fg-india-hide-20101002

Sure..there are NO poor in India..right??? /sarc off
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Reply #58 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm:
Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..


LOL what??

Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India.

India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it?
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Reply #59 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:45pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:41pm:
Sure..there are NO poor in India..right??? /sarc off


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