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Reply #60 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:46pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:36pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them.



Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..


Yes, Gizmo. Maybe the Paris Conference can call off the meeting on CO2 emissions and get everyone to send food to India instead.

That could work.



Yes, in a way...Co2 emission 'might be' important to the idiots and countries who are stupid enough to believe the Greens/environmentalist mantra that industrial processes are responsible for everything that's wrong with the world...but surely feeding the poor and starving in less developed countries is as important (or MORE important) than making sure they can play their Xbox....
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Reply #61 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:46pm
 
You said the people in the article are meant to look hungry, Gizmo, not poor. If we were talking about poverty, we'd be looking at the issue of wealth distribution. We might also address economic development, including transport, employment and energy solutions for people in rural India.

So it makes sense that you'd post a 5 year old article about poverty in Delhi.
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Reply #62 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:47pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:45pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:41pm:
Sure..there are NO poor in India..right??? /sarc off


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I hope you didn't hurt yourself with that *FACEPALM* Gandalf....

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Reply #63 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:48pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm:
Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..


LOL what??

Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India.

India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it?


Now now, G, telling poor rural brown people in India what they want isn't racist.
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Reply #64 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:49pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:36pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them.



Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..


Yes, Gizmo. Maybe the Paris Conference can call off the meeting on CO2 emissions and get everyone to send food to India instead.

That could work.



Yes, in a way...Co2 emission 'might be' important to the idiots and countries who are stupid enough to believe the Greens/environmentalist mantra that industrial processes are responsible for everything that's wrong with the world...but surely feeding the poor and starving in less developed countries is as important (or MORE important) than making sure they can play their Xbox....


Yes, Gizmo, either that, or the cartoon just meant Indians are too dumb to work out what solar panels are.
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Re: Australian racist cartoonist berated in media
Reply #65 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:50pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm:
Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..


LOL what??

Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India.

India's poor demonstrably want solar units.
Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it?


Really???....

"Well, tell that to the people living in the slums around New Delhi.

"India hurries to hide its poor
Officials want slums and beggars out of sight for the Commonwealth Games. Critics say they expected more from a nation that has long prided itself on its humanitarian policies.
October 01, 2010|By Mark Magnier, Los Angeles Times.

Reporting from New Delhi — The government people came one night in late September and built a partition covered with bright blue plastic sheeting and adorned with cartoonish tiger mascots and "Come Out and Play" slogans. It hid the slum known as Coolie Camp on the airport road where the foreigners pass.

Irfana Begum, 40, who collects garbage, must now lug her three-wheeled bicycle over about 300 feet of rocky ground to get to the road and make her living.

Begum, a 15-year resident of the slum, squatted in the dirt in a dusty sari, her bare feet adorned with toe rings. "They're trying to pretend that poor people don't exist in India, for their image," she said near a pile of plastic and glass bottles, cardboard and used vinyl sheeting.

"It really makes us angry," she said.

By hosting the Commonwealth Games, a mini- Olympics that begins Sunday and is to be attended by 71 nations, India hoped to propel New Delhi into the ranks of world-class cities such as London and New York and mirror Beijing's hosting of the 2008 Olympics.
ut amid bad planning, alleged corruption and shoddy workmanship, crews have barely finished the main sports venues, let alone various urban renewal projects. The result, residents and experts say, is an effort to hide the impoverished, including those in this slum near an athlete training center.

"I'm so appalled and angry at this," said Harsh Mander, a member of the ruling party's National Advisory Council after passing the cheerily camouflaged Coolie Camp. "Poverty is nothing to be ashamed of, but government and middle-class elements want to hide it."

The government has tried to rid the capital of beggars, and has used two "mobile court" trailers, with police and judges in tow, that grab and sentence panhandlers. Many receive one-year detentions in "beggar homes" or are temporarily exiled to neighboring states, leading to bureaucratic squabbles over who they "belong to."

Authorities have also cracked down on an estimated 300,000 street vendors, a significant burden on families who live hand to mouth. Daulat Ram, 50, a handicapped barber who lives in Coolie Camp, has seen his business decline precipitously since he was forced off the main road.

Most cities that host such mega-events resort to window dressing. Seoul expelled 720,000 people from their homes before the 1988 Olympics and shuttered dog-meat restaurants. Eight years later, Atlanta issued 9,000 arrest citations for the homeless. Athens removed hundreds of Roma, also known as Gypsies, before the 2004 Games."

Which particular survey says that the people in India want solar, rather than food??
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Re: Australian racist cartoonist berated in media
Reply #66 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:52pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:49pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:36pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them.



Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..


Yes, Gizmo. Maybe the Paris Conference can call off the meeting on CO2 emissions and get everyone to send food to India instead.

That could work.



Yes, in a way...Co2 emission 'might be' important to the idiots and countries who are stupid enough to believe the Greens/environmentalist mantra that industrial processes are responsible for everything that's wrong with the world...but surely feeding the poor and starving in less developed countries is as important (or MORE important) than making sure they can play their Xbox....


Yes, Gizmo, either that, or the cartoon just meant Indians are too dumb to work out what solar panels are.


Ah.  Yes......and not forgetting that.........


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Reply #67 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:52pm
 
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Which particular survey says that the people in India want solar, rather than food??


Which particular survey says that the people of rural India want food rather than electricity, Gizmo?

Oh, that's right. It was in the cartoon.
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Re: Australian racist cartoonist berated in media
Reply #68 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:53pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm:
Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..


LOL what??

Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India.

India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it?


Now now, G, telling poor rural brown people in India what they want isn't racist.


Good luck trying to spin a cartoon about the stupidity of the COP21 leaders into 'racism'...in the opinion of actual, intelligent people...(i.e, not YOU, or Gandalf or any of the other 'usual suspects')
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Reply #69 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:55pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:52pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:49pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:36pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:
As an aside, and related to what karnal said, one of the big mantras you'll hear from the coal lobby is that we have a moral obligation to supply the poor people of India with electricity. Turns out in fact that all this coal is only going towards maintaining and expanding the power for the rich and middle classes - the poor people, you see, simply don't have the required infrastructure built in their villages and shanty towns for the coal grid to supply them.



Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..


Yes, Gizmo. Maybe the Paris Conference can call off the meeting on CO2 emissions and get everyone to send food to India instead.

That could work.



Yes, in a way...Co2 emission 'might be' important to the idiots and countries who are stupid enough to believe the Greens/environmentalist mantra that industrial processes are responsible for everything that's wrong with the world...but surely feeding the poor and starving in less developed countries is as important (or MORE important) than making sure they can play their Xbox....


Yes, Gizmo, either that, or the cartoon just meant Indians are too dumb to work out what solar panels are.


Ah.  Yes......and not forgetting that.........




Maybe the cartoon was referring to medicine, Aussie. Maybe those stupid, lazy Indians are meant to be sick, and they think the solar panels are medicine.

Surely that could work too.
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Reply #70 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:56pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:52pm:
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Which particular survey says that the people in India want solar, rather than food??


Which particular survey says that the people of rural India want food rather than electricity, Gizmo?

Oh, that's right. It was in the cartoon.


"India's hunger 'shame': 3,000 children die every day, despite economic growth
Thursday Feb 16, 2012 6:52 AM
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Severely malnourished girl Rajni, 2, is weighed by health workers in Madhya Pradesh, India, February 1.

BY REUTERS
Crying as she is put on an electronic scale, two-year-old Rajini's naked shriveled frame casts a dark shadow over a rising India, where millions of children have little to eat.

The children are scrawny, listless and sick in this run-down nutrition clinic in central India with its intermittent power supply. If they survive they will grow up shorter, weaker and less smart than their better-fed peers.

Rajini weighs 5 kg (11 lb), about half of what she should.
"She's as light as a leaf, this can't be good," says her grandmother, Sushila Devi, poking her rib-protruding stomach in the clinic in Shivpuri district in Madhya Pradesh state.

Almost as shocking as India's high prevalence of child malnutrition is the country's failure to reduce it, despite the economy tripling between 1990 and 2005 to become Asia's third largest and annual per capita income rising to $489 from $96.

1 in 4 children malnourished, global report says

A government-supported survey last month said 42 percent of children under five are underweight - almost double that of sub-Saharan Africa - compared to 43 percent five years ago.

The statistic - which means 3,000 children dying daily due to illnesses related to poor diets - led Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to admit malnutrition was "a national shame" and was putting the health of the nation in jeopardy.

"It is a national shame. Child nutrition is a marker of the many things that are not going right for the poor of India," said Purnima Menon, research fellow on poverty, health and nutrition at the Institute of Food Policy Research Institute.

India's efforts to reduce the number of undernourished kids have been largely hampered by blighting poverty where many cannot afford the amount and types of food they need."

Of course I do understand that you need to 'blame' any middle class Australian for the failings of other countries economic systems...(which make YOU a really sad and silly, individual)
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Reply #71 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:57pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:53pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm:
Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..


LOL what??

Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India.

India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it?


Now now, G, telling poor rural brown people in India what they want isn't racist.


Good luck trying to spin a cartoon about the stupidity of the COP21 leaders into 'racism'...in the opinion of actual, intelligent people...(i.e, not YOU, or Gandalf or any of the other 'usual suspects')


That's right, Gizmo. We're too dumb to work out what solar panels are too.

If those Indians are meant to be hungry, how come they have mango chutney?
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Reply #72 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 3:00pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:52pm:
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Which particular survey says that the people in India want solar, rather than food??


Which particular survey says that the people of rural India want food rather than electricity, Gizmo?

Oh, that's right. It was in the cartoon.


"India's hunger 'shame': 3,000 children die every day, despite economic growth
Thursday Feb 16, 2012 6:52 AM
EMAIL   


Severely malnourished girl Rajni, 2, is weighed by health workers in Madhya Pradesh, India, February 1.

BY REUTERS
Crying as she is put on an electronic scale, two-year-old Rajini's naked shriveled frame casts a dark shadow over a rising India, where millions of children have little to eat.

The children are scrawny, listless and sick in this run-down nutrition clinic in central India with its intermittent power supply. If they survive they will grow up shorter, weaker and less smart than their better-fed peers.

Rajini weighs 5 kg (11 lb), about half of what she should.
"She's as light as a leaf, this can't be good," says her grandmother, Sushila Devi, poking her rib-protruding stomach in the clinic in Shivpuri district in Madhya Pradesh state.

Almost as shocking as India's high prevalence of child malnutrition is the country's failure to reduce it, despite the economy tripling between 1990 and 2005 to become Asia's third largest and annual per capita income rising to $489 from $96.

1 in 4 children malnourished, global report says

A government-supported survey last month said 42 percent of children under five are underweight - almost double that of sub-Saharan Africa - compared to 43 percent five years ago.

The statistic - which means 3,000 children dying daily due to illnesses related to poor diets - led Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to admit malnutrition was "a national shame" and was putting the health of the nation in jeopardy.

"It is a national shame. Child nutrition is a marker of the many things that are not going right for the poor of India," said Purnima Menon, research fellow on poverty, health and nutrition at the Institute of Food Policy Research Institute.

India's efforts to reduce the number of undernourished kids have been largely hampered by blighting poverty where many cannot afford the amount and types of food they need."

Of course I do understand that you need to 'blame' any middle class Australian for the failings of other countries economic systems...(which make YOU a really sad and silly, individual)


I know, Gizmo. But did you have to leave in the part about the intermittent power supply?
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Reply #73 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 3:16pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:57pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:53pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:43pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:34pm:
Right..so would it make more sense for the UN/World governments to supply food, rather than electricity???....You can't eat electricity, whether it comes from solar panels(renewable power), or fossil fuel or even from nuclear..


LOL what??

Do Indians need food? As far as I know there are no starving people in India.

India's poor demonstrably want solar units. Who are you and who is Bill Leak to condescendingly tell them they really don't want it?


Now now, G, telling poor rural brown people in India what they want isn't racist.


Good luck trying to spin a cartoon about the stupidity of the COP21 leaders into 'racism'...in the opinion of actual, intelligent people...(i.e, not YOU, or Gandalf or any of the other 'usual suspects')


That's right, Gizmo. We're too dumb to work out what solar panels are too.

If those Indians are meant to be hungry, how come they have mango chutney
?


Sorry, no it doesn't make Indians fools (although it DOES make YOU a FOOL) however it makes the World Leaders either naive, or stupid...and no amount of comments from you will actually make the cartoon in any way 'racist'...it simply makes the people in Australia who are bitching about (like you) incredibly dumb...notice I didn't say that any particular racial group was stupid, I just said YOU, as a person, was dumber than do sh!t..
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Reply #74 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 3:18pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 3:00pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 2:52pm:
Quote:
Which particular survey says that the people in India want solar, rather than food??


Which particular survey says that the people of rural India want food rather than electricity, Gizmo?

Oh, that's right. It was in the cartoon.


"India's hunger 'shame': 3,000 children die every day, despite economic growth
Thursday Feb 16, 2012 6:52 AM
EMAIL   


Severely malnourished girl Rajni, 2, is weighed by health workers in Madhya Pradesh, India, February 1.

BY REUTERS
Crying as she is put on an electronic scale, two-year-old Rajini's naked shriveled frame casts a dark shadow over a rising India, where millions of children have little to eat.

The children are scrawny, listless and sick in this run-down nutrition clinic in central India with its intermittent power supply. If they survive they will grow up shorter, weaker and less smart than their better-fed peers.

Rajini weighs 5 kg (11 lb), about half of what she should.
"She's as light as a leaf, this can't be good," says her grandmother, Sushila Devi, poking her rib-protruding stomach in the clinic in Shivpuri district in Madhya Pradesh state.

Almost as shocking as India's high prevalence of child malnutrition is the country's failure to reduce it, despite the economy tripling between 1990 and 2005 to become Asia's third largest and annual per capita income rising to $489 from $96.

1 in 4 children malnourished, global report says

A government-supported survey last month said 42 percent of children under five are underweight - almost double that of sub-Saharan Africa - compared to 43 percent five years ago.

The statistic - which means 3,000 children dying daily due to illnesses related to poor diets - led Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to admit malnutrition was "a national shame" and was putting the health of the nation in jeopardy.

"It is a national shame. Child nutrition is a marker of the many things that are not going right for the poor of India," said Purnima Menon, research fellow on poverty, health and nutrition at the Institute of Food Policy Research Institute.

India's efforts to reduce the number of undernourished kids have been largely hampered by blighting poverty where many cannot afford the amount and types of food they need."

Of course I do understand that you need to 'blame' any middle class Australian for the failings of other countries economic systems...(which make YOU a really sad and silly, individual)


I know, Gizmo. But did you have to leave in the part about the intermittent power supply?


And exactly how much food would a constant power supply grow, for the people living in the slums in capital cities???
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