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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	The Truth About The Crusades Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:21pm The Truth About The Crusades Brilliant, make sure you watch it from start to finish, if you can't be bothered absorbing all of the information contained in videos like this then you really have no right to comment.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38802 Gender:	Re: The Truth About The Crusades Reply #1 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:26pm I made it to the 22 second mark. Who is he?
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Reply #2 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:39pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

I made it to the 22 second mark. Who is he?

It doesn't matter a f--k who he is it only matters about the quality of the information provided, an historical explanation of the mad muslims, the suicide lemming like qualities of the West and how it all ties in to whats happening today.

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Reply #3 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:47pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

I made it to the 22 second mark. Who is he?

It doesn't matter a f--k who he is it only matters about the quality of the information provided, an historical explanation of the mad muslims, the suicide lemming like qualities of the West and how it all ties in to whats happening today.

Stuffed if I'm gonna waste about 35 minutes listening to a nobody.

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Reply #4 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 6:25pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

I made it to the 22 second mark. Who is he?

It doesn't matter a f--k who he is it only matters about the quality of the information provided, an historical explanation of the mad muslims, the suicide lemming like qualities of the West and how it all ties in to whats happening today.

Stuffed if I'm gonna waste about 35 minutes listening to a nobody.

Fair enough but thats your whole problem, you would much rather be a lemming, to the idiot left if its a choice between doing some history research or just waving a white flag and converting to islam the idiot left will convert to islam every single time.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49212 At my desk.	Re: The Truth About The Crusades Reply #5 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 8:03pm Don't be a lemming. Watch the video. It's only a little over half an hour long.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38802 Gender:	Re: The Truth About The Crusades Reply #6 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 8:04pm freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 8:03pm: Don't be a lemming. Watch the video. It's only a little over half an hour long. I've got some lawn to watch.
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Reply #7 - Dec 18^th, 2015 at 8:11pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 4:21pm:

The Truth About The Crusades

Brilliant, make sure you watch it from start to finish, if you can't be bothered absorbing all of the information contained in videos (enter your medium) like this then you really have no right to comment.

Didn't Goebbels say that?

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“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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Reply #8 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 12:11am

His history and dates are correct. It's the spin. It ignores Rome invading the ME, it ignores things like the pope wanting the wandering violent bands of European thugs that dominated the dark ages to turn their interests elsewhere.

As Europe came out of the dark ages with all it's changes, barbarity and warfare, there were trained men that needed to be "employed" elsewhere. The Church made new rules, no killing priests women or children(men were fair game Grap), yet state(warlord) terror continued.What better place and mission than the holy land for these violent misfits? The pope asks them to redeem the holy lands for Christ and redeem their souls!

I watched your video. History is a funny thing and should never be used politically.

edit: For mass migration, there are many examples. The Celtic tribes wanderings and conquests, all the way to Turkey. The Indo-Europeans that travelled to and lived on the outskirts of China. The German tribes folk wanderings.

From the other side. The sea peoples, the end of the Hittites and all empires at the end of the bronze age in the eastern Mediterranean except Egypt.

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: The Truth About The Crusades Reply #9 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 12:14am Aussie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2015 at 5:47pm: Stuffed if I'm gonna waste about 35 minutes listening to a nobody. You seem to have no qualms about wasting everyone's time here ...
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20470 Perth Gender:	Re: The Truth About The Crusades Reply #10 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 12:41am Hmmm.... http://www.history.com/topics/crusades
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Reply #11 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:36am

Setanta wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 12:11am:

His history and dates are correct. It's the spin. It ignores Rome invading the ME, it ignores things like the pope wanting the wandering violent bands of European thugs that dominated the dark ages to turn their interests elsewhere.

As Europe came out of the dark ages with all it's changes, barbarity and warfare, there were trained men that needed to be "employed" elsewhere. The Church made new rules, no killing priests women or children(men were fair game Grap), yet state(warlord) terror continued.What better place and mission than the holy land for these violent misfits? The pope asks them to redeem the holy lands for Christ and redeem their souls!

I watched your video. History is a funny thing and should never be used politically.

edit: For mass migration, there are many examples. The Celtic tribes wanderings and conquests, all the way to Turkey. The Indo-Europeans that travelled to and lived on the outskirts of China. The German tribes folk wanderings.

From the other side. The sea peoples, the end of the Hittites and all empires at the end of the bronze age in the eastern Mediterranean except Egypt.

Excellent response. It was a propaganda film and too light on with any critical or honest dissection of the underlying factors contributing at that specific time in history.

Not to mention, Islam popped up just as the Roman Empire folded - The lessons of conquest, deprivation and slavery would have been very fresh still and clearly, well learned.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: The Truth About The Crusades Reply #12 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 10:38am And don't forget the Inquisition (though it wasn't called that) kicked off in southern France around the same time. The Church was hell bent on liquidating any non-believers for hundreds of years.
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Sun Tzu Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1148 Gender:	Re: The Truth About The Crusades Reply #13 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:42am Its just more false bigoted anti-Islam propaganda from an aspiring demagogue. Perversion of history for propaganda.
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Reply #14 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 12:14pm

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:36am:

Not to mention, Islam popped up just as the Roman Empire folded - The lessons of conquest, deprivation and slavery would have been very fresh still and clearly, well learned.

The Roman occupiers of Jurusalem persecuted the jews and many christian sects. When the muslims negotiated the bloodless surrender of Jerusalem from the Romans, the first thing they did was remove the dung that had been piled on the temple mount, allowed the previously banned jews back in and resumed previously banned christian pilgrimages.

When the crusaders conquered Jerusalem in 1099 it was in a blood bath - at least 10 thousand men, women and children were summarily slaughtered. Then when Saladin reconquered it, he gave safe passage to the christians to their northern kingdoms.

I'm guessing the video didn't mention any of that?

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