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Reply #30 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 7:40pm

random wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Hamas is the people. If you had been locked in, shot, bombed, burned with white phosphorous, you would hate the Israelis too.

If the actions you take to fix the problem, make the problem worse ... you have lost.

Oh please, the hamas charter was created in 1988, they started perpetrating and encouraging attacks post oslo accords and it was them who subsequently brought down the peace process and ensured right wing governments in israel. Its amazing how the soft left apologists continue to always ignore the causes and always seek to stay pc. Yes, the palestineans in the gaza strip have been economically ruined. Thats what happens when you support terrorists.

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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: Teaching terror across the world Reply #31 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 7:43pm The Israelis have already lost. Yet another chapter of the tragedy.
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Teaching terror across the world Reply #32 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 7:46pm random wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 7:43pm: The Israelis have already lost. Yet another chapter of the tragedy. Riiiiiight.
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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: Teaching terror across the world Reply #33 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:03pm Yep. They remind me of a medieval fort, a castle, it is only a matter of time before it is breached. If you wanted to start a country, politically, this would be the absolutely worst place on earth to do it. Doomed.
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Reply #34 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:22pm

random wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:

Yep. They remind me of a medieval fort, a castle, it is only a matter of time before it is breached.

If you wanted to start a country, politically, this would be the absolutely worst place on earth to do it. Doomed.

You should tell that to the Palestinians, they are trying to now.

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Reply #35 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:43pm

Abu used to say that Israel's defeat was not merely inevitable, but just around the corner. That's why the Palestinians must never stop the attacks. The destruction of Israel needs to be justified by an ongoing war. If they make peace, they lose their chance. I think it is this mindset that causes the self destructive tendencies of the various Palestinian groups.

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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: Teaching terror across the world Reply #36 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 7:04am Yep, it seems our species has excelled at teaching terror across the world... We have moved on a little bit now to putting all the blame for this onto one select group. That's what having adults in charge does apparently.
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Reply #37 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 9:14am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

You can't argue with the statistics alevine.

Depends what story you try to build with the statistics. But history tells us that the last decade of actions by the Israeli government has been the result of extremism brewing within the Gazza strip. Like I said and continue to say, people want a stop to the violence need to recognise the only way to move away from right wing politics in Israel is to remove Hamas from the Gazza strip and to stop encouraging suicide bombings and murder of Jewish people.

Nonsense. The right wing politics in Israel is playing out in their carving and colonising of the West Bank. Hamas has no foothold in the WB, and the Palestinian rulers there have long since rejected violence for achieving their goals. And yet every time the Palestinians agree to negotiations, the Israelis cynically use it as an opportunity to carve up even more land for the settlements.

The sad reality is, Palestinians rejecting violence has merely emboldened right wing politics in Israel.

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Reply #38 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 9:15am

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:43pm:

Abu used to say that Israel's defeat was not merely inevitable, but just around the corner. That's why the Palestinians must never stop the attacks. The destruction of Israel needs to be justified by an ongoing war. If they make peace, they lose their chance. I think it is this mindset that causes the self destructive tendencies of the various Palestinian groups.

Would you mind finding a quote? Just curious is all...

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #39 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 9:36am

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 9:14am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

You can't argue with the statistics alevine.

Depends what story you try to build with the statistics. But history tells us that the last decade of actions by the Israeli government has been the result of extremism brewing within the Gazza strip. Like I said and continue to say, people want a stop to the violence need to recognise the only way to move away from right wing politics in Israel is to remove Hamas from the Gazza strip and to stop encouraging suicide bombings and murder of Jewish people.

Nonsense. The right wing politics in Israel is playing out in their carving and colonising of the West Bank. Hamas has no foothold in the WB, and the Palestinian rulers there have long since rejected violence for achieving their goals. And yet every time the Palestinians agree to negotiations, the Israelis cynically use it as an opportunity to carve up even more land for the settlements.

The sad reality is, Palestinians rejecting violence has merely emboldened right wing politics in Israel.

Sorry gandalf, you misunderstood. Im not saying that a right wing government will deal with any peace deal. No, there is no hope of peace while Netanyahu is PM. What im saying is the only way to rid any right wing government from israel, for hope of negotiations, is to have israeli people stop feeling threatened by palestinean people. And that can only happen once terrorism ceases to exist within gaza strip governance.

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Reply #40 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 10:23am

Terrorism ceases to exist? You serious?

So what would you do if you were an 18 year old Palestinian who had grown up in Gaza? Sit down and play dead?

They have manufactured the next few generations of enemies already.

And what is terrorism anyway? You mean like the American terrorists who started the War of Independence?

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Reply #41 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 4:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 9:15am:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:43pm:

Abu used to say that Israel's defeat was not merely inevitable, but just around the corner. That's why the Palestinians must never stop the attacks. The destruction of Israel needs to be justified by an ongoing war. If they make peace, they lose their chance. I think it is this mindset that causes the self destructive tendencies of the various Palestinian groups.

Would you mind finding a quote? Just curious is all...

Sorry, looks like it was mostly Falah - See, Abu is not the only source of this stuff.

falah wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:32pm:

If you don't surrender, you haven't lost.

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Falah, what is the difference between refusing to surrender when you have lost so miserably, and not wanting the bloodshed to continue? Do you actually think the Palestinians are on the verge of some kind of victory?

It is one thing to sign a peace treaty, another thing to surrender. We have seen what happens to those who made the mistake of surrender

History shows us that many wars have looked lost before they swung the other way.

It looked like the merciless Crusaders were firmly entrenched in the Palestine when Saladin became leader of Egypt in 1167. 20 years later Saladin had managed to unify the muslims in the region and expel the Christian invaders from Jerusalem. The Crusader occuaption of jerusalem last for 99 years. The Balfour Zionist occupation of Jerusalem has lasted 94 years.

In recent years Muslim have freed Sinai, Gaza and southern Lebanon from the Zionist occupation.

Since 2000 muslims have managed to force Israel to withdraw from Gaza and southern Lebanon. Full victory is just around the corner by the Grace of God Almighty.

Similar sounding rhetoric from Abu:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1315637372

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Re: Teaching terror across the world
Reply #42 - Dec 21^st, 2015 at 4:41pm

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 9:15am:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:43pm:

Abu used to say that Israel's defeat was not merely inevitable, but just around the corner. That's why the Palestinians must never stop the attacks. The destruction of Israel needs to be justified by an ongoing war. If they make peace, they lose their chance. I think it is this mindset that causes the self destructive tendencies of the various Palestinian groups.

Would you mind finding a quote? Just curious is all...

Sorry, looks like it was mostly Falah - See, Abu is not the only source of this stuff.

falah wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:32pm:

If you don't surrender, you haven't lost.

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Falah, what is the difference between refusing to surrender when you have lost so miserably, and not wanting the bloodshed to continue? Do you actually think the Palestinians are on the verge of some kind of victory?

It is one thing to sign a peace treaty, another thing to surrender. We have seen what happens to those who made the mistake of surrender

History shows us that many wars have looked lost before they swung the other way.

It looked like the merciless Crusaders were firmly entrenched in the Palestine when Saladin became leader of Egypt in 1167. 20 years later Saladin had managed to unify the muslims in the region and expel the Christian invaders from Jerusalem. The Crusader occuaption of jerusalem last for 99 years. The Balfour Zionist occupation of Jerusalem has lasted 94 years.

In recent years Muslim have freed Sinai, Gaza and southern Lebanon from the Zionist occupation.

Since 2000 muslims have managed to force Israel to withdraw from Gaza and southern Lebanon. Full victory is just around the corner by the Grace of God Almighty.

Similar sounding rhetoric from Abu:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1315637372

Ee-gad, you'd think it would be a piece of cake to find an anti-Israel post from Abu and Falah.

This one talks about liberating occupied Palestine - exactly the same plan as all those UN resolutions.

Why didn't you stick with Abu, FD? There's got to be an anti-Israel post there, shurely.

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Re: Teaching terror across the world
Reply #43 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:13pm

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 9:15am:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:43pm:

Abu used to say that Israel's defeat was not merely inevitable, but just around the corner. That's why the Palestinians must never stop the attacks. The destruction of Israel needs to be justified by an ongoing war. If they make peace, they lose their chance. I think it is this mindset that causes the self destructive tendencies of the various Palestinian groups.

Would you mind finding a quote? Just curious is all...

Sorry, looks like it was mostly Falah - See, Abu is not the only source of this stuff.

falah wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:32pm:

If you don't surrender, you haven't lost.

Quote:

Falah, what is the difference between refusing to surrender when you have lost so miserably, and not wanting the bloodshed to continue? Do you actually think the Palestinians are on the verge of some kind of victory?

It is one thing to sign a peace treaty, another thing to surrender. We have seen what happens to those who made the mistake of surrender

History shows us that many wars have looked lost before they swung the other way.

It looked like the merciless Crusaders were firmly entrenched in the Palestine when Saladin became leader of Egypt in 1167. 20 years later Saladin had managed to unify the muslims in the region and expel the Christian invaders from Jerusalem. The Crusader occuaption of jerusalem last for 99 years. The Balfour Zionist occupation of Jerusalem has lasted 94 years.

In recent years Muslim have freed Sinai, Gaza and southern Lebanon from the Zionist occupation.

Since 2000 muslims have managed to force Israel to withdraw from Gaza and southern Lebanon. Full victory is just around the corner by the Grace of God Almighty.

Similar sounding rhetoric from Abu:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1315637372

Ah, so I'll notch that down as yet another thing that Abu didn't say. Its worthwhile checking these things.

Anyway, its a pretty bad example to use. Falah is clearly referring to war only in the context of reclaiming Palestinian land that Israel currently occupies - ie the West Bank. Your baseless claim that he is calling for the destruction of Israel is clearly refuted in subsequent comments:

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I believe Israelis can live as good neighbours as soon as they get off stolen Palestinian land.

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The Israelis can end the violence now by giving the Palestinians their land back. It is simple.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Teaching terror across the world
Reply #44 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:17pm

random wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Hamas is the people. If you had been locked in, shot, bombed, burned with white phosphorous, you would hate the Israelis too.

If the actions you take to fix the problem, make the problem worse ... you have lost.

.. and if you'd been locked in, shot, bombed, rocketed, mortared and your border villages massacred, you would hate the Palestinians, too.

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