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Reply #45 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 10:06am

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Falah is clearly referring to war only in the context of reclaiming Palestinian land that Israel currently occupies - ie the West Bank.

Where is this made clear? They guy thinks that the Palestinians are about to have a military victory over Israel - beat them at war. He thinks Israel withdrawing from those patches is a sign of the tide turning in an ongoing war. He sees rocket and terrorist attacks as 'not surrendering' and warns against surrendering.

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Reply #46 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:01am

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

Where is this made clear? They guy thinks that the Palestinians are about to have a military victory over Israel - beat them at war. He thinks Israel withdrawing from those patches is a sign of the tide turning in an ongoing war. He sees rocket and terrorist attacks as 'not surrendering' and warns against surrendering.

Nothing he says indicates he thinks this war entails the destruction of the state of Israel. In fact he infers the opposite by specifying that Israel could be a viable neighbour of Palestine.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #48 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:49am

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

So somehow you managed to go from never surrender and "Full victory is just around the corner by the Grace of God Almighty" to Falah supporting Israel's right to exist?

Sure - until you can show me exactly where falah equates "full victory [etc]" with destroying the Israeli state.

How do you explain his insistence that Israel could be "good neighbours"?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #49 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 1:49pm

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How do you explain his insistence that Israel could be "good neighbours"?

I do not recall him ever saying that. I think he is the one who suggested Jews might be permitted to remain behind (and live as 'good neighbours' - ie obedient, paying the Jizya etc) in an Islamic State. Or maybe he was the one who suggested they go back to Europe where they all came from.

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Reply #50 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 4:30pm

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

I do not recall him ever saying that.

I just gave you the quote.

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

I think he is the one who suggested Jews might be permitted to remain behind (and live as 'good neighbours' - ie obedient, paying the Jizya etc) in an Islamic State. Or maybe he was the one who suggested they go back to Europe where they all came from.

Yeah maybe. If in doubt - just invent some crap like you always do with Abu and me.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #51 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 4:50pm

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

So somehow you managed to go from never surrender and "Full victory is just around the corner by the Grace of God Almighty" to Falah supporting Israel's right to exist?

Tell me Gandalf, what you you think Hitler meant by the final solution?

No nation, including Israel, Palestine, the USA or Australia has the right to exist. Rights are reserved only for individuals. States exist only through their ability to use military force to defend their declared territories and borders, their ability to have treaties with other nations and engage in trade.

This nonsense about a State's right to exist is a new invention.

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Reply #52 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 4:59pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 3:17pm:

random wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Hamas is the people. If you had been locked in, shot, bombed, burned with white phosphorous, you would hate the Israelis too.

If the actions you take to fix the problem, make the problem worse ... you have lost.

.. and if you'd been locked in, shot, bombed, rocketed, mortared and your border villages massacred, you would hate the Palestinians, too.

Yep that's wat i sed. The issies have already lost.

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Reply #53 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 5:13pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

So somehow you managed to go from never surrender and "Full victory is just around the corner by the Grace of God Almighty" to Falah supporting Israel's right to exist?

Tell me Gandalf, what you you think Hitler meant by the final solution?

No nation, including Israel, Palestine, the USA or Australia has the right to exist. Rights are reserved only for individuals. States exist only through their ability to use military force to defend their declared territories and borders, their ability to have treaties with other nations and engage in trade.

This nonsense about a State's right to exist is a new invention.

Good point.

Also, funny how those so concerned about state's right to exist never whinge about Israel's refusal to recongise the right of the Palestinian state to exist.

Netanyahu before the last election:

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"Whoever moves to establish a Palestinian state or intends to withdraw from territory is simply yielding territory for radical Islamic terrorist attacks against Israel," he told the Israeli news site NRG.

Asked if that meant a state would not be established if he remained prime minister, he said: "Indeed."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-election-idUSKBN0MC1I820150316

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #54 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 5:17pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:38am:

So somehow you managed to go from never surrender and "Full victory is just around the corner by the Grace of God Almighty" to Falah supporting Israel's right to exist?

Tell me Gandalf, what you you think Hitler meant by the final solution?

No nation, including Israel, Palestine, the USA or Australia has the right to exist. Rights are reserved only for individuals. States exist only through their ability to use military force to defend their declared territories and borders, their ability to have treaties with other nations and engage in trade.

This nonsense about a State's right to exist is a new invention.

American Indians and Aborigines everywhere will be very glad to hear that - no First Nations nonsense after all. And also all that post-colonial hooey the Africans, Indians, Arabs, Asians have been peddling for decades - all swept aside. Thanks!

You are a great student of Stalin, aren't you?
When told the Pope thought Stalin should stop repressing Catholics under his yoke, Stalin famously asked, "The Pope? How many divisions has he got?"

Tell us, BTW, from where do individuals derive their rights? Divine providence? Military force?

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Re: Teaching terror across the world
Reply #55 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 5:57pm

Soren wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

American Indians and Aborigines everywhere will be very glad to hear that - no First Nations nonsense after all. And also all that post-colonial hooey the Africans, Indians, Arabs, Asians have been peddling for decades - all swept aside. Thanks!

You are a great student of Stalin, aren't you?
When told the Pope thought Stalin should stop repressing Catholics under his yoke, Stalin famously asked, "The Pope? How many divisions has he got?"

I could care less about indigenous peoples wanting their lands back. Conquest is conquest. If you have a problem with it then you're very welcome to piss off back to England or wherever your ancestors are from.

The only problem that I have is when one party makes a treaty with the other in bad faith and then breaks it. That is dishonorable.

Soren wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

Tell us, BTW, from where do individuals derive their rights? Divine providence? Military force?

Individuals are born with their rights. They are inalienable.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Teaching terror across the world Reply #56 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 6:17pm Lafayette wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 5:57pm: Individuals are born with their rights. They are inalienable. How can you tell? Where are their rights located? Why aren't their right the same across the world?
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Re: Teaching terror across the world
Reply #57 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 6:31pm

Soren wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

How can you tell? Where are their rights located?
Why aren't their right the same across the world?

This is what I meant by Australians not knowing anything about what rights are..

Every individual person in the world has the same rights as every other individual person in the world.

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Reply #58 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 10:38pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 6:17pm:

How can you tell? Where are their rights located?
Why aren't their right the same across the world?

This is what I meant by Australians not knowing anything about what rights are..

Every individual person in the world has the same rights as every other individual person in the world.

That is not something your average Arab, Chinese, Paki, Indian, African etc claims to be his own view.

And what does this bit mean: "Australians not knowing anything about what rights are"?? Which nation knows more about what rights mean?

Your nation? What IS your nation?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Teaching terror across the world Reply #59 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 10:39pm Lafayette wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 6:31pm: Every individual person in the world has the same rights as every other individual person in the world. Not in Muslim countries. What went wrong there? Islam? Something else?
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