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https://www.humanrights.gov.au/news/speeches/social-inclusion-and-human-rights-a...

Social inclusion is about people being able to participate in society. It is about creating conditions for equal opportunities for all. Social inclusion requires that all individuals be able to ‘secure a job; access services; connect with family, friends, work, personal interests and local community; deal with personal crisis; and have their voices heard.’ This essentially means that all people have the best opportunities to enjoy life and do well in society. It is about making sure that no one is left out
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Reply #1 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:08am
 
So inclusion is a great thing. It helps ALL to assimilate into Australian society

The left are often extremists in the application of "social inclusion"

They forget the word "inclusion" is not the same as "exclusion"

Excluding Christian value celebrations does not then include the Muslim community anymore than include the Buddhist community

The large majority of non-christians have been operating fine with the celebration of Xmas, Easter and St Patricks Day
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Reply #2 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:11am
 
It is a bad thing when the ultra-socialists get hold of it and begin to apply it to groups deemed to have 'accredited victim status', rather than looking at it on a case-by-case basis.  That is precisely where affirmative action in both the schools system and employment opportunities went so terribly wrong, and left - not a society of inclusions - but one of exclusions as a matter of policy.

There is a point at which social manipulation of people in mass groups should be left entirely out of it, and the needs and rights of individuals addressed as the priority.
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Reply #3 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:13am
 
Maqqa wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:08am:
So inclusion is a great thing. It helps ALL to assimilate into Australian society

The left are often extremists in the application of "social inclusion"

They forget the word "inclusion" is not the same as "exclusion"

Excluding Christian value celebrations does not then include the Muslim community anymore than include the Buddhist community

The large majority of non-christians have been operating fine with the celebration of Xmas, Easter and St Patricks Day


I don't see anyone campaigning to get rid of or hide Islamic festivals - we respect their rights to those - let them, and our 'governments' with their often vested interests and wacky ideas, respect our right to ours equally.
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Reply #4 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:18am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:13am:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:08am:
So inclusion is a great thing. It helps ALL to assimilate into Australian society

The left are often extremists in the application of "social inclusion"

They forget the word "inclusion" is not the same as "exclusion"

Excluding Christian value celebrations does not then include the Muslim community anymore than include the Buddhist community

The large majority of non-christians have been operating fine with the celebration of Xmas, Easter and St Patricks Day


I don't see anyone campaigning to get rid of or hide Islamic festivals - we respect their rights to those - let them, and our 'governments' with their often vested interests and wacky ideas, respect our right to ours equally.


How about Christian celebrations?
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Reply #5 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:25am
 
Maqqa wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:18am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:13am:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:08am:
So inclusion is a great thing. It helps ALL to assimilate into Australian society

The left are often extremists in the application of "social inclusion"

They forget the word "inclusion" is not the same as "exclusion"

Excluding Christian value celebrations does not then include the Muslim community anymore than include the Buddhist community

The large majority of non-christians have been operating fine with the celebration of Xmas, Easter and St Patricks Day


I don't see anyone campaigning to get rid of or hide Islamic festivals - we respect their rights to those - let them, and our 'governments' with their often vested interests and wacky ideas, respect our right to ours equally.


How about Christian celebrations?


S'what I mean - no carol singing, no Chrissie decs etc in schools 'cause it might upset the Mussos .. we don't give a rat's how many prayers they make to Mecca or how many haj's they make or how much wailing goes on from the mosque rocket to bring the faithful to prayer....... let them offer us equal respect.

You no like Australia - take the next boat home.....
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Reply #6 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:31am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:25am:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:18am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:13am:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:08am:
So inclusion is a great thing. It helps ALL to assimilate into Australian society

The left are often extremists in the application of "social inclusion"

They forget the word "inclusion" is not the same as "exclusion"

Excluding Christian value celebrations does not then include the Muslim community anymore than include the Buddhist community

The large majority of non-christians have been operating fine with the celebration of Xmas, Easter and St Patricks Day


I don't see anyone campaigning to get rid of or hide Islamic festivals - we respect their rights to those - let them, and our 'governments' with their often vested interests and wacky ideas, respect our right to ours equally.


How about Christian celebrations?


S'what I mean - no carol singing, no Chrissie decs etc in schools 'cause it might upset the Mussos .. we don't give a rat's how many prayers they make to Mecca or how many haj's they make or how much wailing goes on from the mosque rocket to bring the faithful to prayer....... let them offer us equal respect.

You no like Australia - take the next boat home.....



The resistance to Xmassacre decorations and other religious iconography isn't coming from the Muslims. That is a popular myth.

It's coming from the atheists.
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Reply #7 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:43am
 
Hang an atheist for  Christ...... give 'em a taste of it.....
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Reply #8 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:47am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:31am:
The resistance to Xmassacre decorations and other religious iconography isn't coming from the Muslims. That is a popular myth.

It's coming from the atheists.


So you are saying they are using Islam as a crutch?
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Reply #9 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:55am
 
Maqqa wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:47am:
mothra wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:31am:
The resistance to Xmassacre decorations and other religious iconography isn't coming from the Muslims. That is a popular myth.

It's coming from the atheists.


So you are saying they are using Islam as a crutch?



No. Where did you get that from?
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Reply #10 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 10:24am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:55am:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:47am:
mothra wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:31am:
The resistance to Xmassacre decorations and other religious iconography isn't coming from the Muslims. That is a popular myth.

It's coming from the atheists.


So you are saying they are using Islam as a crutch?



No. Where did you get that from?


A coach in the US was banned from praying before a game

Nativity ban at school

Kris Kringle ban at work place
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Reply #11 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 10:25am
 
Maqqa wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 10:24am:
mothra wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:55am:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:47am:
mothra wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 9:31am:
The resistance to Xmassacre decorations and other religious iconography isn't coming from the Muslims. That is a popular myth.

It's coming from the atheists.


So you are saying they are using Islam as a crutch?



No. Where did you get that from?


A coach in the US was banned from praying before a game



What has that got to do with atheists using Islam as a crutch Maqqa?

... allegedly.
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Reply #12 - Dec 19th, 2015 at 10:26am
 
So Maqqa, are you saying that the only way people can expect to have equal opportunities is if they are forced to celebrate Christian festivals?
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The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 19th, 2015 at 10:26am:
So Maqqa, are you saying that the only way people can expect to have equal opportunities is if they are forced to celebrate Christian festivals?


Muslims coming from Sharia Law countries believe it's okay to harass girls - so are you saying we can't force them to obey social norms in Australia?

Asians who love eating dogs - Australians are forcing them not to eat it

This is about "social inclusion"

They don't have to celebrate it - but that does not mean they stop other people from celebrating it
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http://www.kentucky.com/news/local/education/article50324915.html

Audience members recite Bible passage deleted from ‘A Charlie Brown Christmas’

Though Johnson County school officials deleted a Bible passage from a student production of A Charlie Brown Christmas despite protests, several adults in the audience at Thursday’s performance recited the lines normally spoken by the character Linus, a video shows.

The scene at W.R. Castle Elementary School followed a firestorm of controversy in Johnson County this week.

Superintendent Thomas Salyer has said that, following a complaint, he consulted with legal counsel and determined that biblical references should be removed from the play and other Christmas programs in the Eastern Kentucky school district. He said he was trying to meet the letter of the law. That decision resulted in people protesting outside the school district offices in Paintsville since Monday and a request from a national legal organization to not remove the biblical lines.

Castle Elementary principal Jeff Cochran said in an interview Thursday that as instructed by school officials, no student in the play performed the scene in which Linus recites the passage from the Bible in explaining the meaning of Christmas:

“Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes lying in the manger. And suddenly, there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host, praising God and saying, ‘Glory to God in the highest, and on Earth peace, good will toward men.’”


But people in the audience recited the lines, Cochran said. A video provided by East Kentucky Broadcasting in Pikeville shows that several people joined in.

After that, “there were a few more lines in the play, and that was the end of it,” Cochran said.

An Arizona-based legal organization called Alliance Defending Freedom is representing Joey Collins, a cast member’s parent who wanted to keep the biblical references. The organization’s legal counsel, Matt Sharp, said Thursday that school staff had instructed students to remain silent when it came time for Linus to recite the passage from the Bible.

“It sounded like the community really stepped up,” Sharp said.

In a letter to school district officials Tuesday, Sharp had said there was no violation of the “separation of church and state” by allowing children to learn about “theater and the origins of Christmas through participating in a stage version of this beloved program that contains the same religious elements as the television version.”

“Given that courts have consistently held that schools may organize and sponsor Christmas programs and performances that include religious songs and study the historical origins of Christmas, there is no basis for the district’s decision to censor the religious aspects of A Charlie Brown Christmas,” the letter said.

A spokeswoman for the ACLU Kentucky told the Herald-Leader this week that the Johnson County school officials made an appropriate decision.

Sharp on Thursday said he was not satisfied with the school district’s response: “I’m still disappointed to see the school district did not do the right thing and continued to censor this play and deprive these kids who have put a lot of work and energy into this of the opportunity to do the full play like they had practiced.”

He said he did not know if his organization, which advocates for people who want to express their faith, would take any further action.

“We’re not committed to any course of action right now. We are really just looking at all the options,” Sharp said.

Cochran, the principal, indicated he wasn’t satisfied with the audience response.

“I wish that they had let the kids do the play,” he said.

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