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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #15 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 10:57am

Maqqa wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

More and more we see secularism are more inclusive. But it only works on those who wish to assimilate

Words such secularism and assimilation seems contradictory. But secularism works as it's based upon common law

Maqqa wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

The large majority of non-christians have been operating fine with the celebration of Xmas, Easter and St Patricks Day

So you have one thread saying that other religions should be secular

And you have this thread where you expect all people to celebrate Christian festivals.

Are you blind to the hypocrisy of this?

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #16 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:07am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

More and more we see secularism are more inclusive. But it only works on those who wish to assimilate

Words such secularism and assimilation seems contradictory. But secularism works as it's based upon common law

Maqqa wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

The large majority of non-christians have been operating fine with the celebration of Xmas, Easter and St Patricks Day

So you have one thread saying that other religions should be secular

And you have this thread where you expect all people to celebrate Christian festivals.

Are you blind to the hypocrisy of this?

Secularism is about the separation between government and religion i.e. laws that promotes equality for everyone

Social inclusion is about participating in that equality

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #17 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:28pm

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:31am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

So inclusion is a great thing. It helps ALL to assimilate into Australian society

The left are often extremists in the application of "social inclusion"

They forget the word "inclusion" is not the same as "exclusion"

Excluding Christian value celebrations does not then include the Muslim community anymore than include the Buddhist community

The large majority of non-christians have been operating fine with the celebration of Xmas, Easter and St Patricks Day

I don't see anyone campaigning to get rid of or hide Islamic festivals - we respect their rights to those - let them, and our 'governments' with their often vested interests and wacky ideas, respect our right to ours equally.

How about Christian celebrations?

S'what I mean - no carol singing, no Chrissie decs etc in schools 'cause it might upset the Mussos .. we don't give a rat's how many prayers they make to Mecca or how many haj's they make or how much wailing goes on from the mosque rocket to bring the faithful to prayer....... let them offer us equal respect.

You no like Australia - take the next boat home.....

The resistance to Xmassacre decorations and other religious iconography isn't coming from the Muslims. That is a popular myth.

It's coming from the atheists.

Why is it that you get everything wrong? And you really do. It is as though your brain is wired so that nothing works properly. 1+1=banana

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #18 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:40pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:28pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:31am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

So inclusion is a great thing. It helps ALL to assimilate into Australian society

The left are often extremists in the application of "social inclusion"

They forget the word "inclusion" is not the same as "exclusion"

Excluding Christian value celebrations does not then include the Muslim community anymore than include the Buddhist community

The large majority of non-christians have been operating fine with the celebration of Xmas, Easter and St Patricks Day

I don't see anyone campaigning to get rid of or hide Islamic festivals - we respect their rights to those - let them, and our 'governments' with their often vested interests and wacky ideas, respect our right to ours equally.

How about Christian celebrations?

S'what I mean - no carol singing, no Chrissie decs etc in schools 'cause it might upset the Mussos .. we don't give a rat's how many prayers they make to Mecca or how many haj's they make or how much wailing goes on from the mosque rocket to bring the faithful to prayer....... let them offer us equal respect.

You no like Australia - take the next boat home.....

The resistance to Xmassacre decorations and other religious iconography isn't coming from the Muslims. That is a popular myth.

It's coming from the atheists.

Why is it that you get everything wrong? And you really do. It is as though your brain is wired so that nothing works properly. 1+1=banana

No Maria. You're wrong. Profoundly so. Do you really think less than 2% of the population is causing this fuss?

It's not Muslims, it's atheists behind the secularisation of everything.

Get your facts straight ... for a change. Abuse doesn't make you look any more correct.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35522 Gender:	Re: Social inclusion Reply #19 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Social inclusion Reply #20 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm: A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'. A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.
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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #21 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96360	Re: Social inclusion Reply #22 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm Don’t include them. Ban them.
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Sun Tzu Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1148 Gender:	Re: Social inclusion Reply #23 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:07pm ... it gives them the right to keep silent while being insulted by racists and bigots.
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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #24 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #25 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:46pm

Sun Tzu wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:07pm:

... it gives them the right to keep silent while being insulted by racists and bigots.

Exactly. No one has the right to not be offended - except the racists and bigots.

As for moi, I have the right to be a dirty Paki Bastard.

Calling moi a dirty PB isn't racist. Pakistan is not a race, you know.

It's a state of mind.

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #26 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #27 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #28 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #29 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:38pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

And the Christmas tree is a male fertility symbol.

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