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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #30 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:27pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

I would be if I were the only person on the planet who doesnt already know it or the only person who thinks that matters.

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #31 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:28pm

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

And the Christmas tree is a male fertility symbol.

You cant even get that right. It was an ancient ritual related to protecting the 'life force' of trees during winter.

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #32 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:29pm

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

And the Christmas tree is a male fertility symbol.

But of course. Santa Claus, elves, male fertility symbols. We all know Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity.

It wasn't a big deal until the Victorian era. Christians celebrated Easter - a pagan Spring festival. Easter ended the period of Lent.

These festivals - Winter Solstice (Christmas), Summer Solstice (Feast Day, or Midsummer), Beltane (Easter) and Halloween (All Hallows Eve), were all pagan. They were celebrated in every pre-Christian culture the world over. All Christianity did was incorporate them.

Maria knows I'm curious. I'm sure she's curious too.

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #33 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:31pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

And the Christmas tree is a male fertility symbol.

You cant even get that right. It was an ancient ritual related to protecting the 'life force' of trees during winter.

You''re wrong again Maria. Don't you get tired of it? Try a quick google. That will sort you out.

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #34 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:37pm

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

And the Christmas tree is a male fertility symbol.

You cant even get that right. It was an ancient ritual related to protecting the 'life force' of trees during winter.

You''re wrong again Maria. Don't you get tired of it? Try a quick google. That will sort you out.

Did you know, Mothra, that 'google' is not a substitute for an education nor an alternative to actual research? As someone who has plenty of the former and performed a lot of the latter, your cute equivalence is amusing. It would also give you an epic fail in university where actual proven facts tend to be the order of the day (except in Gender Studies).

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #35 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:39pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

And the Christmas tree is a male fertility symbol.

But of course. Santa Claus, elves, male fertility symbols. We all know Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity.

It wasn't a big deal until the Victorian era. Christians celebrated Easter - a pagan Spring festival. Easter ended the period of Lent.

These festivals - Winter Solstice (Christmas), Summer Solstice (Feast Day, or Midsummer), Beltane (Easter) and Halloween (All Hallows Eve), were all pagan. They were celebrated in every pre-Christian culture the world over. All Christianity did was incorporate them.

Maria knows I'm curious. I'm sure she's curious too.

All true but Eater was not Beltane, that's May Day. Easter is the Spring Equinox (Autumnal Equinox for us down here), sacred to the fertility Goddess Eostre,, whose symbol was the hare.

Around that time of year, hares would be found nesting on birds nests, for some unfathomable reason, giving rise to the meaning of eggs as symbols of new like.

Christians pinched the lot. The hare became the Easter Bunny and eggs became chocolate.

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #36 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:40pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

And the Christmas tree is a male fertility symbol.

You cant even get that right. It was an ancient ritual related to protecting the 'life force' of trees during winter.

You''re wrong again Maria. Don't you get tired of it? Try a quick google. That will sort you out.

Did you know, Mothra, that 'google' is not a substitute for an education nor an alternative to actual research? As someone who has plenty of the former and performed a lot of the latter, your cute equivalence is amusing. It would also give you an epic fail in university where actual proven facts tend to be the order of the day (except in Gender Studies).

Actual research Maria? I spent 15 years as a practicing pagan.

What is it you would like to know?

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #37 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 7:07pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

And the Christmas tree is a male fertility symbol.

You cant even get that right. It was an ancient ritual related to protecting the 'life force' of trees during winter.

You''re wrong again Maria. Don't you get tired of it? Try a quick google. That will sort you out.

Did you know, Mothra, that 'google' is not a substitute for an education nor an alternative to actual research? As someone who has plenty of the former and performed a lot of the latter, your cute equivalence is amusing. It would also give you an epic fail in university where actual proven facts tend to be the order of the day (except in Gender Studies).

You never went to uni, dear. The professors were all IDIOTS, remember? Still, you'll always have year 9 maths. Integral calculus, Maxwell's law, the lot.

That should see you through countless hours of debate on comparative religion, no?

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #38 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 7:08pm

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

And the Christmas tree is a male fertility symbol.

You cant even get that right. It was an ancient ritual related to protecting the 'life force' of trees during winter.

You''re wrong again Maria. Don't you get tired of it? Try a quick google. That will sort you out.

Did you know, Mothra, that 'google' is not a substitute for an education nor an alternative to actual research? As someone who has plenty of the former and performed a lot of the latter, your cute equivalence is amusing. It would also give you an epic fail in university where actual proven facts tend to be the order of the day (except in Gender Studies).

Actual research Maria? I spent 15 years as a practicing pagan.

What is it you would like to know?

I don't think Maria wants to know anything, Mother. She just wants to say what she knows.

That's why most of her posts are about IDIOTS.

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #39 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 7:20pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

And the Christmas tree is a male fertility symbol.

You cant even get that right. It was an ancient ritual related to protecting the 'life force' of trees during winter.

You''re wrong again Maria. Don't you get tired of it? Try a quick google. That will sort you out.

Did you know, Mothra, that 'google' is not a substitute for an education nor an alternative to actual research? As someone who has plenty of the former and performed a lot of the latter, your cute equivalence is amusing. It would also give you an epic fail in university where actual proven facts tend to be the order of the day (except in Gender Studies).

Actual research Maria? I spent 15 years as a practicing pagan.

What is it you would like to know?

I don't think Maria wants to know anything, Mother. She just wants to say what she knows.

That's why most of her posts are about IDIOTS.

Unfortunately, despite her grandiosity, all she really knows is how to abuse people in lieu of actual argument.

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #40 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 7:22pm

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

A fair few Christians are opposed to Christmas too. They say, among other things, that it is a 'pagan ritual'.

A good handful or two. Maybe even three handfuls.

Well there is the Jehovah's Witnesses for a start. Are they just a handful?

Anyway, if you type 'Christians against Christmas' into google, you'll see for yourself that you are wrong. Again.

In relative terms, yes. And most would not call JWs 'christian' by most conventional (or biblical) standards.

When was Jesus born, dear? I'm curious.

I'm sure you are.

Good answer, dear. Most enigmatic.

We know that Jesus was not born on 25th December. This is the date of the Winter Solstice, a pagan festival.

The Queen wasn't born on the second Monday in June either.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

And the Christmas tree is a male fertility symbol.

You cant even get that right. It was an ancient ritual related to protecting the 'life force' of trees during winter.

You''re wrong again Maria. Don't you get tired of it? Try a quick google. That will sort you out.

Did you know, Mothra, that 'google' is not a substitute for an education nor an alternative to actual research? As someone who has plenty of the former and performed a lot of the latter, your cute equivalence is amusing. It would also give you an epic fail in university where actual proven facts tend to be the order of the day (except in Gender Studies).

Actual research Maria? I spent 15 years as a practicing pagan.

What is it you would like to know?

I don't think Maria wants to know anything, Mother. She just wants to say what she knows.

That's why most of her posts are about IDIOTS.

Unfortunately, despite her grandiosity, all she really knows is how to abuse people in lieu of actual argument.

I think we should include her. Mother. Maria, I think, just wants to be loved.

Join the gang, Maria. Become an IDIOT.

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boxy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 400 Gender:	Re: Social inclusion Reply #41 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 8:49pm Separation of church and state, FTW. Because, without it, you have no logical argument against Sharia law, unless you plan to outbreed them.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96360	Re: Social inclusion Reply #42 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 9:34pm boxy wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 8:49pm: Separation of church and state, FTW. Because, without it, you have no logical argument against Sharia law, unless you plan to outbreed them. Breed them.
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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #43 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 12:58am

boxy wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 8:49pm:

Separation of church and state, FTW. Because, without it, you have no logical argument against Sharia law, unless you plan to outbreed them.

It's not separation for the sake of separation

Lets assume Christianity and Islam is about the same age

Christian church influence is evident through history

After the crusades - some 920 years ago - Christians discovered secularism is the way of the future and started on this path. It was slow at first and we still have remnants of it today

Sharia Law has not changed. The Mosque (church) controls the government.

These Sharia laws dates back thousands of years.

As I said before - secularism is about a common set of laws to provide equity amongst inhabitants.

Religious laws will dictate how much they participate within that equity

Sharia Law is incompatible with secularism

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Re: Social inclusion
Reply #44 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 2:07am

Maqqa wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 12:58am:

boxy wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 8:49pm:

Separation of church and state, FTW. Because, without it, you have no logical argument against Sharia law, unless you plan to outbreed them.

It's not separation for the sake of separation

Lets assume Christianity and Islam is about the same age

Christian church influence is evident through history

After the crusades - some 920 years ago - Christians discovered secularism is the way of the future and started on this path. It was slow at first and we still have remnants of it today

Sharia Law has not changed. The Mosque (church) controls the government.

These Sharia laws dates back thousands of years.

As I said before - secularism is about a common set of laws to provide equity amongst inhabitants.

Religious laws will dictate how much they participate within that equity

Sharia Law is incompatible with secularism

Maqqa, i get where you are coming from and in essence (if what you said was true, and i believe you believe it to be) i agree with you .... the ideal model is separation of church and state ... but you've got the pathways all wrong.

Firstly, secularism didn't arise from Christianity. It arose despite Christianity. And it didn't just arise in Christian dominated parts of the world. It arose in many, Muslim countries included. What you need to remember is that Christianity disgraced itself so effectively, it gave rise to a counter-culture. To many counter-cultures in fact. Most were horribly persecuted, some still are, but that's how it goes, what?

Secondly, what i don't know about Sharia Law is considerably more than i do but i am certain i know more than you. Sharia Law isn't some blanket thing. It is actually applied differently across the board and not all applications are as brutal as say, the Saudis. In many instances it is a perfectly reasonable application of law, fair and humane. I want to clarify that any application of Sharia Law that involves the harming of another human being or diminishing the rights of women is categorically rejected by me.

But let us not forget that Christianity too has it's proponents that harm other people and diminish the rights of women. Women are not equal to men in Christianity.

In short Maqqa, you are romanticising Christianity and demonising Islam. You are incorrect on both counts.

I reiterate, i idealise a separation of church and state, whatever the church may be, and on that we agree.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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