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Reply #15 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 12:58pm

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Families put last in move to cut Paid Parental Leave
18 December 2015
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The Turnbull Government’s Paid parental Leave will lower family incomes forcing many parents to choose between putting very young babies in childcare, or women - and some men - stepping out of the workforce. Sad

The $968 million cut will mean a huge strain both financially and emotionally for families struggling to juggle family and work commitments.
This will especially hit low and middle income earning families with the average taxable income of Paid Parental Leave recipients at $47 thousand.

Quotes Attributable to ACTU President Ged Kearney:

“The cuts proposed by the Government reject conventional wisdom about the best outcome for babies and the economic benefit of keeping women in the workforce.

"The amount of paid time at home will be capped to when the baby is just four months old rather than the four months being a minimum.
Unions, parents and health experts recognise that we need 26 weeks paid leave plus superannuation in order to care for young babies and support future generations.

Women will be forced to choose between caring for their babies and paying the bills and undoubtedly many will leave the workforce which is not what we want.

Unions are dismayed by the move and will not accept any cuts to the minimum Paid Parental Leave entitlements.
The current system is working well and 18 weeks at the minimum wage is a very modest scheme by international standards with 26 weeks being recommended for infant and maternal wellbeing.

The Government has taken the easy road of cuts rather than clamping down on superannuation concessions and other tax loopholes that favour high income earners and multi-national companies.” Sad

Simple answer - PPL only applied to those with a genuine need...... argument ends.

It should never have been a silver lining for fat cat women to breed and actually prosper from it..... at what point is enough enough? We live in a society governed by greed and self-interest...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1450472833

What you are effectively doing by offering extra breeding cash to women is paying them a higher rate of pay for the same job.... next time the old saw of "women only get 78% of the wages of men comes along" - an issue demonstrably destroyed by women working 78% of the hours men work - I'll add that into the equation...... and we'll all see that all these extra goodies actually constitute a higher rate of pay for women.

This has to stop...... equality and common justice dictate that this must be so....

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Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave
Reply #16 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:03pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:03am:

Hello Senate - time to do your job again and tell these grubs where to get off.

So when they propose a generous PPL you want it blocked and then when they propose cuts to the existing PPL scheme you want that blocked. Biased much?

The Coalition came to Government telling the public the current PPL scheme introduced by the ALP was inadequate and to get woman of worth back into the workforce Abbott's PPL policy was essential for the economy....Now we are being told the ALP policy is not only adequate it is the new maximum for PPL not the minimum....How do you justify this complete backflip and change of policy from this Government...Where they lying then or are they lying now???

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave Reply #17 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:07pm It's a different govt phil. In reality they're not bound by previous plans thank god. I repeat what I said before: "there wasn't any PPL back in the good old days, or child care, or family benefits. How did people come to be so dependent on govt for arranging their family affairs?"
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Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave
Reply #18 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:13pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:03am:

Hello Senate - time to do your job again and tell these grubs where to get off.

So when they propose a generous PPL you want it blocked and then when they propose cuts to the existing PPL scheme you want that blocked. Biased much?

The Coalition came to Government telling the public the current PPL scheme introduced by the ALP was inadequate and to get woman of worth back into the workforce Abbott's PPL policy was essential for the economy....Now we are being told the ALP policy is not only adequate it is the new maximum for PPL not the minimum....How do you justify this complete backflip and change of policy from this Government...Where they lying then or are they lying now???

Huh

Women of worth generally make enough to take a few months off, especially since their old man makes at least as much..... no need for PPL for fat cats at all....

How anyone imagines that getting women back into the economy is any more 'essential' than simply retaining employment levels regardless of gender, is beyond me. At what point are men less capable than women, or at what point is another woman less capable of most jobs?

Worth is as worth does - my old ma down in Green Bow allus said.... and the artificial allocation of 'merit' in the public service, as a salient example, based on gender - always was a failed policy of exclusion and disruption, and has lead us to the myth that because women cop unfair promotions and employment prospects in some areas, they are somehow 'better' at that work, when men have done the work for generations already.

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Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave
Reply #19 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:13pm

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

It's a different govt phil. In reality they're not bound by previous plans thank god.

I repeat what I said before: "there wasn't any PPL back in the good old days, or child care, or family benefits.

How did people come to be so dependent on govt for arranging their family affairs?"

I have children and never received one cent in PPL....I did not support Labor's PPL but accept it was much more equitable than Abbott's PPL policy....My argument is that the Coalition went to an election proposing a very generous PPL scheme and argued it was essential for the economy....Now that same Government (despite your denials) is telling us the scheme introduced by Labor is to expensive....So where they lying then or are they lying now???

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Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave
Reply #20 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:17pm

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

It's a different govt phil. In reality they're not bound by previous plans thank god.

I repeat what I said before: "there wasn't any PPL back in the good old days, or child care, or family benefits.

How did people come to be so dependent on govt for arranging their family affairs?"

The more the government gives - the more power it has to take it back - and thus the more power it has to hold control over you as an individual and treat you as a vassal of the State, while also enhancing its opportunity to raise taxes, which again is an exercise in establishing control over the individual and even of calculated oppression via the route of ensuring that few, if any, out there have any cash with which to dispute with the government.

This policy thrust crosses all 'party' lines, and creates a government of the people, but not by the people or for the people.......

Government should rightly only be creating the environment in which all can flourish - not giving handouts.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave Reply #21 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:28pm It's ok for a single parent to draw an income from the tax-payer indefinitely until the child turns 18 but it's somehow evil for a working parent to get leave from employment for a fraction of this time? That ye olde politics of envy coming to the fore yet agin.........
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Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave
Reply #22 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:30pm

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

It's a different govt phil. In reality they're not bound by previous plans thank god.

I repeat what I said before: "there wasn't any PPL back in the good old days, or child care, or family benefits.

How did people come to be so dependent on govt for arranging their family affairs?"

The ALP tried to argue that a minority Government forced them to change their election commitments to negotiate with the senate and form Government....The Coalition rejected this and claimed any broken promises where a sign of a poor governance and a minority Government was no excuse for broken promises....Now you claim a change of Prime Minister removes any obligation to keep election commitments and they can change what ever policy they want....Where they lying then or are they lying now???

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Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave
Reply #23 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:32pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

It's ok for a single parent to draw an income from the tax-payer indefinitely until the child turns 18 but it's somehow evil for a working parent to get leave from employment for a fraction of this time?

That ye olde politics of envy coming to the fore yet agin......... Sad

I agree Swag....The Coalition have no excuse for such double standards and rhetoric which changes with every budget!!!

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Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave
Reply #24 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:40pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:30pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

It's a different govt phil. In reality they're not bound by previous plans thank god.

I repeat what I said before: "there wasn't any PPL back in the good old days, or child care, or family benefits.

How did people come to be so dependent on govt for arranging their family affairs?"

The ALP tried to argue that a minority Government forced them to change their election commitments to negotiate with the senate and form Government....The Coalition rejected this and claimed any broken promises where a sign of a poor governance and a minority Government was no excuse for broken promises....Now you claim a change of Prime Minister removes any obligation to keep election commitments and they can change what ever policy they want....Where they lying then or are they lying now???

Huh

In reality without a majority in the Senate all election promises and or mandates are voided..... Huh

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Sir Crook Ex Member	Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave Reply #25 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:44pm Thank heavens for the good people in the senate.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave Reply #26 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:47pm Quote: Thank heavens for the good people in the senate. .........trashing democracy for 100 years +
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Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave
Reply #27 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:48pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:30pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

It's a different govt phil. In reality they're not bound by previous plans thank god.

I repeat what I said before: "there wasn't any PPL back in the good old days, or child care, or family benefits.

How did people come to be so dependent on govt for arranging their family affairs?"

The ALP tried to argue that a minority Government forced them to change their election commitments to negotiate with the senate and form Government....The Coalition rejected this and claimed any broken promises where a sign of a poor governance and a minority Government was no excuse for broken promises....Now you claim a change of Prime Minister removes any obligation to keep election commitments and they can change what ever policy they want....Where they lying then or are they lying now???

Huh

In reality without a majority in the Senate all election promises and or mandates are voided..... Huh

Is that only when a Coalition Government is in power because you certainly did not give Julia Gillard the same benefit of circumstances....How can the Coalition argue a more generous PPL is essential for the economy and then argue it isn't....Where they lying then or are they lying now???

Huh

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Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave
Reply #28 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 2:30pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:03am:

Hello Senate - time to do your job again and tell these grubs where to get off.

So when they propose a generous PPL you want it blocked and then when they propose cuts to the existing PPL scheme you want that blocked. Biased much?

I never asked for the senate to block Abbotts PPL scheme. Where do you get these silly ideas ?

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Families Put Last Move To Cut Paid Parental Leave Reply #29 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 2:31pm Julia didn't have a majority in the HRs
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