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Reply #120 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:31pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:05pm:
I've proven here time and time again through STATISTICS that the ABC is not bias to left and sits between Labor and Liberal and actually gives Liberal politicians more air time than the rest of the parties...


I am interested in seeing these as you say STATISTICS and what they consist of. 

Care to post these STATISTICS? 

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Reply #121 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:33pm
 
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 12:20pm:
What happened numpties is that in the past if the rich pushed too hard the unions would bung on a strike and a whole industry would shut down. Cars would be lined up around the block trying to get fuel. The richos then thought, how do we bust this down? They have our heads over a chopping block. I know, we'll make it so our unders can't get together and show solidarity. We'll bring in desperate third world people who won't join a union and will work for peanuts. They'll dislike one another and won't have any impact on change. GENIUS!!!
Actually this is a very good point.
Gina Rhinehart amongst others have made no secret that they  wish to bring 3rd world workers in and pay them less than award rates. And its been happening for years. There are whole workplaces, generally assembly lines or  factories which dont hire anyone other than Phillipino workers, others only Chinese. These places dont pay award and wont hire local Australians.
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Reply #122 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:35pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:28pm:
Oh so you can't, every study ever done into it has found the ABC is mostly neutral if not sitting to the right.

Every statistic shows that conservative groups and the Liberal party dominate ABC airtime.

The ABC would only stop being "left wing" for you fascists if it was just another murdoch 100% liberal party mouthpiece.


You dont understand what 'unbiased' means. It certainly does not mean equal air-time but rather what occurs in that air time.

If an actual independent review were carried out it might resolve the question but every review is the same - it is either clearly biased or not clearly independent.  The failure to do so makes a strong argument that it is biased.
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Reply #123 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:36pm
 
ian wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:33pm:
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 12:20pm:
What happened numpties is that in the past if the rich pushed too hard the unions would bung on a strike and a whole industry would shut down. Cars would be lined up around the block trying to get fuel. The richos then thought, how do we bust this down? They have our heads over a chopping block. I know, we'll make it so our unders can't get together and show solidarity. We'll bring in desperate third world people who won't join a union and will work for peanuts. They'll dislike one another and won't have any impact on change. GENIUS!!!
Actually this is a very good point.
Gina Rhinehart amongst others have made no secret that they  wish to bring 3rd world workers in and pay them less than award rates. And its been happening for years. There are whole workplaces, generally assembly lines or  factories which dont hire anyone other than Phillipino workers, others only Chinese. These places dont pay award and wont hire local Australians.


Then why don't you report them to the Fair Work Commission?

It's illegal to pay anything less than the Award.

Why are you withholding information from the authorities?

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Reply #124 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:40pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:36pm:
ian wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:33pm:
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 12:20pm:
What happened numpties is that in the past if the rich pushed too hard the unions would bung on a strike and a whole industry would shut down. Cars would be lined up around the block trying to get fuel. The richos then thought, how do we bust this down? They have our heads over a chopping block. I know, we'll make it so our unders can't get together and show solidarity. We'll bring in desperate third world people who won't join a union and will work for peanuts. They'll dislike one another and won't have any impact on change. GENIUS!!!
Actually this is a very good point.
Gina Rhinehart amongst others have made no secret that they  wish to bring 3rd world workers in and pay them less than award rates. And its been happening for years. There are whole workplaces, generally assembly lines or  factories which dont hire anyone other than Phillipino workers, others only Chinese. These places dont pay award and wont hire local Australians.


Then why don't you report them to the Fair Work Commission?

It's illegal to pay anything less than the Award.

Why are you withholding information from the authorities?

People get paid full award but 4/5 hours a day. You are the perfect person to be a union lawyer pecca. An ineffectual member of a useless group of organisations that are passed their prime. A snob elitist  union member. The new breed.
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Reply #125 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:42pm
 
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:36pm:
ian wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:33pm:
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 12:20pm:
What happened numpties is that in the past if the rich pushed too hard the unions would bung on a strike and a whole industry would shut down. Cars would be lined up around the block trying to get fuel. The richos then thought, how do we bust this down? They have our heads over a chopping block. I know, we'll make it so our unders can't get together and show solidarity. We'll bring in desperate third world people who won't join a union and will work for peanuts. They'll dislike one another and won't have any impact on change. GENIUS!!!
Actually this is a very good point.
Gina Rhinehart amongst others have made no secret that they  wish to bring 3rd world workers in and pay them less than award rates. And its been happening for years. There are whole workplaces, generally assembly lines or  factories which dont hire anyone other than Phillipino workers, others only Chinese. These places dont pay award and wont hire local Australians.


Then why don't you report them to the Fair Work Commission?

It's illegal to pay anything less than the Award.

Why are you withholding information from the authorities?

People get paid full award


Make up your minds.

ian said they don't get paid the award rate.

Is he telling lies?

Are you telling lies?

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Reply #126 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:42pm
 
Because although I know of it Greggary, I dont really personally care that much. Its a political point to me,  no sympathy involved for the actual workers. Im not a factory worker and never will be, I get highly paid for my particular skill set and that is highly unlikely to change in the future.
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Reply #127 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:43pm
 
Lol at Greggary getting emotionally invested.
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Reply #128 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:44pm
 
ian wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:42pm:
Because although I know of it Greggary, I dont really personally care that much. Its a political point to me,  no sympathy involved for the actual workers. Im not a factory worker and never will be, I get highly paid for my particular skill set and that is highly unlikely to change in the future.


You're covering up an illegal activity.

What a low act.

(The truth is, you're lying)
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Reply #129 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:44pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:42pm:
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:36pm:
ian wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:33pm:
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 12:20pm:
What happened numpties is that in the past if the rich pushed too hard the unions would bung on a strike and a whole industry would shut down. Cars would be lined up around the block trying to get fuel. The richos then thought, how do we bust this down? They have our heads over a chopping block. I know, we'll make it so our unders can't get together and show solidarity. We'll bring in desperate third world people who won't join a union and will work for peanuts. They'll dislike one another and won't have any impact on change. GENIUS!!!
Actually this is a very good point.
Gina Rhinehart amongst others have made no secret that they  wish to bring 3rd world workers in and pay them less than award rates. And its been happening for years. There are whole workplaces, generally assembly lines or  factories which dont hire anyone other than Phillipino workers, others only Chinese. These places dont pay award and wont hire local Australians.


Then why don't you report them to the Fair Work Commission?

It's illegal to pay anything less than the Award.

Why are you withholding information from the authorities?

People get paid full award


Make up your minds.

ian said they don't get paid the award rate.

Is he telling lies?

Are you telling lies?

I know there are instances of imported scab workers getting ripped off.
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Reply #130 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:46pm
 
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:42pm:
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:36pm:
ian wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:33pm:
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 12:20pm:
What happened numpties is that in the past if the rich pushed too hard the unions would bung on a strike and a whole industry would shut down. Cars would be lined up around the block trying to get fuel. The richos then thought, how do we bust this down? They have our heads over a chopping block. I know, we'll make it so our unders can't get together and show solidarity. We'll bring in desperate third world people who won't join a union and will work for peanuts. They'll dislike one another and won't have any impact on change. GENIUS!!!
Actually this is a very good point.
Gina Rhinehart amongst others have made no secret that they  wish to bring 3rd world workers in and pay them less than award rates. And its been happening for years. There are whole workplaces, generally assembly lines or  factories which dont hire anyone other than Phillipino workers, others only Chinese. These places dont pay award and wont hire local Australians.


Then why don't you report them to the Fair Work Commission?

It's illegal to pay anything less than the Award.

Why are you withholding information from the authorities?

People get paid full award


Make up your minds.

ian said they don't get paid the award rate.

Is he telling lies?

Are you telling lies?

I know there are instances of imported scab workers getting ripped off.


Did you report this to the FWC, or are you another one like ian who covers up illegal activity?

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Reply #131 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:48pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:35pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:28pm:
Oh so you can't, every study ever done into it has found the ABC is mostly neutral if not sitting to the right.

Every statistic shows that conservative groups and the Liberal party dominate ABC airtime.

The ABC would only stop being "left wing" for you fascists if it was just another murdoch 100% liberal party mouthpiece.


You dont understand what 'unbiased' means. It certainly does not mean equal air-time but rather what occurs in that air time.

If an actual independent review were carried out it might resolve the question but every review is the same - it is either clearly biased or not clearly independent.  The failure to do so makes a strong argument that it is biased.


I see....... but equal numbers in specified segments of the workforce - the nice ones with good perks and remuneration - is par for the course and is not 'biased'?

Will the Honourable Minister For Women's Lobbying please advise the House WHEN there will be a 2/7 reduction in women public servants, the same in teaching, cessation of a biased school system that 'encourages' girls, extra handouts in the tertiary education arena for them, and even special scholarships in areas where they have little to no interest?
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Reply #132 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:48pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:46pm:
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:42pm:
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:36pm:
ian wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:33pm:
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 12:20pm:
What happened numpties is that in the past if the rich pushed too hard the unions would bung on a strike and a whole industry would shut down. Cars would be lined up around the block trying to get fuel. The richos then thought, how do we bust this down? They have our heads over a chopping block. I know, we'll make it so our unders can't get together and show solidarity. We'll bring in desperate third world people who won't join a union and will work for peanuts. They'll dislike one another and won't have any impact on change. GENIUS!!!
Actually this is a very good point.
Gina Rhinehart amongst others have made no secret that they  wish to bring 3rd world workers in and pay them less than award rates. And its been happening for years. There are whole workplaces, generally assembly lines or  factories which dont hire anyone other than Phillipino workers, others only Chinese. These places dont pay award and wont hire local Australians.


Then why don't you report them to the Fair Work Commission?

It's illegal to pay anything less than the Award.

Why are you withholding information from the authorities?

People get paid full award


Make up your minds.

ian said they don't get paid the award rate.

Is he telling lies?

Are you telling lies?

I know there are instances of imported scab workers getting ripped off.


Did you report this to the FWC, or are you another one like ian who covers up illegal activity?

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—From our Canberra desk

Reports of Filipino guest workers being subjected to slave labour conditions in Canberra restaurants have shocked local labour activists.

According to the Liquor Hospitality and Miscellaneous Workers Union, skilled chefs from the Philippines have been lured to Canberra on employer sponsored work visas, only to be treated like slaves and ripped off by unscrupulous employers.

At least 20 guest workers so far have lodged official complaints, ranging from being underpaid, racially abused, forced to work long hours and eat scraps from rubbish bins. A female worker who sustained a severe burn at work was denied time off for medical treatment.

In perhaps the most disturbing incident, police are investigating allegations that a worker who complained about the way he was treated was kidnapped early one morning by five thugs and driven to Sydney to be put on a plane back to the Philippines. He only escaped after the car was pulled over by the police for speeding.

When news of the abuses first broke, the local mouthpiece for the ACT Chamber of Commerce rushed to the defence of the bosses and denied any abuses were happening. But when the complaints were investigated by government officials, they found the workers were entitled to thousands of dollars in back pay and ordered the bosses to pay up.

These abuses are believed to be only the tip of the iceberg because many other guest workers facing the same exploitation, both in Canberra and elsewhere, are too scared to speak up.

The response by the LHMU and other corporate unions has been poor to say the least. Despite being urged by local activists to organise pickets and consumer boycotts, the union has so far failed to do so, although they did manage to find other jobs for some of the affected workers.

Lessons and opportunities

There are some very real dangers lurking here. If the unions let these bosses get away with it, more of them will try to use imported labour to undermine what's left of award wages and conditions. This in turn could spark a racist backlash against fellow workers from overseas who are themselves victims of vicious exploitation.

Yet despite these dangers, there are opportunities unfolding for us to counter the passive ACTU model with a real fighting alternative. We can only do small solidarity actions 


A can see why that fat assed mining magnate loves scab workers so much. What are the unions doing pecca?

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Re: ABC - do they never learn?
Reply #133 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:51pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:44pm:
ian wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:42pm:
Because although I know of it Greggary, I dont really personally care that much. Its a political point to me,  no sympathy involved for the actual workers. Im not a factory worker and never will be, I get highly paid for my particular skill set and that is highly unlikely to change in the future.


You're covering up an illegal activity.

What a low act.

(The truth is, you're lying)
well which one is it? Am i covering up illegal activity or lying?  Cant have both Greggary. Smiley Wonder exactly what set off your hissy fit here about this.
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Reply #134 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:52pm
 
the good ole boys wrote on Dec 21st, 2015 at 5:48pm:
A can see why that fat assed mining magnate loves scab workers so much. What are the unions doing pecca?


Unions can't do a thing if they don't know what's going on.

People like you and ian, who willingly cover up criminal behaviour, are part of the problem.
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