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Reply #105 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 7:04pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Can they negotiate their own terms and conditions then? Own rate of pay etc? Be careful what you wish for. On multiple occasions unions fought AGAINST That because these individuals were able to negotiated higher rates of pay because they were willing to work harder and with less rubbish like union meetings.

Some examples would be good right now.....

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Reply #106 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:01pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as...

... it's always been.

If a worker doesn't want to work Sunday for normal rates, they'll be bullied and often sacked.

Sunday penalty rates should remain.

All workers should be compensated for working unsocial hours.

And what about... the unions bulling non union members into memberships.. and harassing workers and other businesses that follow the law?

Has that been always wide spread?

I have not seen a non union member bullied by the union in the last 40 years, have seen the odd occasion when other union members have given a non union member a mouth full for taking all the benefits but none of the pain.

These people are parasites.

Only you could contradict yourself in the same sentence.

No contradiction just your poor comprehension again.

Youve never seen a non-union member bullied but you've seen a non-union member bullied.

wow... that is some breathtaking contradiction followed up by spectacular denial all on a sesame seed bun of utter stupidity.

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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #107 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:41pm well well look at all the jobless bums trying to tell everyone how to run a business.. what a joke...
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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #108 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:46pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 7:04pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Can they negotiate their own terms and conditions then? Own rate of pay etc? Be careful what you wish for. On multiple occasions unions fought AGAINST That because these individuals were able to negotiated higher rates of pay because they were willing to work harder and with less rubbish like union meetings.

Some examples would be good right now.....

A cpl of the fellas refused to join union in a different division in the company structure , all good their choice bit we as bargaining reps happily left them to sort out their own negotiations , 18 months on and they're still fighting for a rise whilst we're a couple of classifications down on more money Grin

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75116 Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #109 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06pm President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:41pm: well well look at all the jobless bums trying to tell everyone how to run a business.. what a joke... Maria is not a jobless bum .... her husband is starting his own business.
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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #110 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:12pm

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:50pm:

stunspore wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:43pm:

Office rents are far more in Australia than other countries. Controlling property prices would do wonders for businesses far more than raising a generation of working poor, devaluing the middle class and making the rich richer.

Bravo! Someone finally mentions the real cost that makes many businesses uncompetitive. Retail rents in Australia are too high.

If we could force down retail rents, we could make businesses a lot more profitable WITHOUT touching penalty rates.

I agree ..... little corner shop down the road from me, in a suburban strip in the suburbs, is asking for $78 000 a year ....for 60m2 shop space. Ridiculous. .. no wonder the chicken shop that used to occupy the space went bust.

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Reply #111 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:20pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as...

... it's always been.

If a worker doesn't want to work Sunday for normal rates, they'll be bullied and often sacked.

Sunday penalty rates should remain.

All workers should be compensated for working unsocial hours.

And what about... the unions bulling non union members into memberships.. and harassing workers and other businesses that follow the law?

Has that been always wide spread?

I have not seen a non union member bullied by the union in the last 40 years, have seen the odd occasion when other union members have given a non union member a mouth full for taking all the benefits but none of the pain.

These people are parasites.

Only you could contradict yourself in the same sentence.

No contradiction just your poor comprehension again.

Youve never seen a non-union member bullied but you've seen a non-union member bullied.

wow... that is some breathtaking contradiction followed up by spectacular denial all on a sesame seed bun of utter stupidity.

There is a difference between being criticised by work mates and union representatives.

The statement was unions bullying non union members, I have never seen it happen.

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Youve never seen a non-union member bullied but you've seen a non-union member bullied.

The difference is who by ? the claim was specifically by the union ?

Note: this passage was typed at about 3 words per minute.

Try reading it 3 or 4 times and see if you understand then ?

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #112 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:22pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:41pm:

well well

look at all the jobless bums trying to tell everyone how to run a business..

what a joke...

Maria is not a jobless bum .... her husband is starting his own business. Cheesy

He is lucky that both words are not mutually exclusive though.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #113 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:30pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:41pm:

well well

look at all the jobless bums trying to tell everyone how to run a business..

what a joke...

Maria is not a jobless bum .... her husband is starting his own business. Cheesy

He is lucky that both words are not mutually exclusive though.

Maria and her husband?

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #114 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 6:00am

Its time wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:46pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 7:04pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Can they negotiate their own terms and conditions then? Own rate of pay etc? Be careful what you wish for. On multiple occasions unions fought AGAINST That because these individuals were able to negotiated higher rates of pay because they were willing to work harder and with less rubbish like union meetings.

Some examples would be good right now.....

A cpl of the fellas refused to join union in a different division in the company structure , all good their choice bit we as bargaining reps happily left them to sort out their own negotiations , 18 months on and they're still fighting for a rise whilst we're a couple of classifications down on more money Grin

Given that you are not allowed to discriminate according to union membership, I am calling this a lie or at least a misrepresentation.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #115 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 6:01am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:20pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 5:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 1:49pm:

.. employers bulling employees is as wide spread as...

... it's always been.

If a worker doesn't want to work Sunday for normal rates, they'll be bullied and often sacked.

Sunday penalty rates should remain.

All workers should be compensated for working unsocial hours.

And what about... the unions bulling non union members into memberships.. and harassing workers and other businesses that follow the law?

Has that been always wide spread?

I have not seen a non union member bullied by the union in the last 40 years, have seen the odd occasion when other union members have given a non union member a mouth full for taking all the benefits but none of the pain.

These people are parasites.

Only you could contradict yourself in the same sentence.

No contradiction just your poor comprehension again.

Youve never seen a non-union member bullied but you've seen a non-union member bullied.

wow... that is some breathtaking contradiction followed up by spectacular denial all on a sesame seed bun of utter stupidity.

There is a difference between being criticised by work mates and union representatives.

The statement was unions bullying non union members, I have never seen it happen.

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Youve never seen a non-union member bullied but you've seen a non-union member bullied.

The difference is who by ? the claim was specifically by the union ?

Note: this passage was typed at about 3 words per minute.

Try reading it 3 or 4 times and see if you understand then ?

If you are being bullied by union members for not being in a union then you are effectively being bullied by a union. if you cannot see that then... I am not surprised.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #116 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 7:24am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 2:43pm:

"Penalty rates are not an impediment to economic growth.

"The retail and hospitality sectors grew at 3.6% and 3.2% respectively last year, significantly outperforming the rest of the economy.

"There is no justification for cutting employees’ wages."

http://www.actu.org.au/actu-media/media-releases/2015/turnbull-must-reject-produ...

What if it's to save their jobs? Huh

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-08/bluescope-workers-vote-yes/6836414

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Sir Crook Ex Member	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #117 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 7:30am If penalty rates are important to you. Looks likei ts a good idea not to vote for the coalition.
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Reply #118 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 7:45am

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:30pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 10:06pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 8:41pm:

well well

look at all the jobless bums trying to tell everyone how to run a business..

what a joke...

Maria is not a jobless bum .... her husband is starting his own business. Cheesy

He is lucky that both words are not mutually exclusive though.

Maria and her husband?

I was thinking bum and Jobless but it could be the same thing, not sure.

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Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut
Reply #119 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 7:51am

mariacostel wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 6:01am:

If you are being bullied by union members for not being in a union then you are effectively being bullied by a union. if you cannot see that then... I am not surprised.

Justified criticism from work mates falls way short of bullying and even though they are union members they have no official union standing. It is not the same thing and it is not what was originally stated.

These are just people who can see that they are spending money to get a result and that these others are sponging off them or probably more accurately bludging on them. They take all the benefits but refuse to contribute to the process.

These people are bludgers and it is understandable that their work mates question the integrity of their actions.

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