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Reply #150 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 10:03pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

Down the club tonight.... day off.... chatted up a favourite.. she said her hubby was working at Coles tonight..... saws him later when I went shopping for the necessities... prawns, ice cream, you know... he said he would be working on Saturday, Boxing Day... but because MONDAY was the allocated public holiday.. he would be paid normal rates for Saturday...

He blames the government with all their chicaneries.... so do I....

I worked a number of xmas days on weekends in the same situation - got paid normal rates for the shift.

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Reply #151 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

stunspore wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/shiftwork

Certainly doing shiftwork has negative effects on health and lifestyle. Should this attract penalty rates?

Shift workers get a shift allowance.

Wonder how much one's health is worth...

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Reply #152 - Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:59pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 1:30pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

Weekends and evenings are not necessarily "unsociable" to everyone, so that argument is absolute nonsense.

Yet in over 40 years of involvement in shift work I never found anyone who agreed with this assessment or anyone who would have voluntarily worked shifts if not for penalty rates.

That is nobody - zilch - a big zero - ducks eggs.

So in your 40 years of shift work you produced double or 1.5 times or whatever the union determined was an appropriate rate to what your mates produced on normal time?

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Reply #153 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 12:14am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 12:35pm:

I would like to see employees vote with their feet and close down all these businesses to teach them the lesson they deserve.

Then nobody would be drinking coffee on the weekends or shopping at Woolworths or Kmart.

...and nobody would be working.

Who's going to pay for the dole?

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Sir Crook Ex Member	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #154 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 7:10am One should not assume that just because someone is unemployed, that they want to work weekends without the penalty rates.
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Reply #155 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 7:47am

Swagman wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 1:30pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:47am:

Weekends and evenings are not necessarily "unsociable" to everyone, so that argument is absolute nonsense.

Yet in over 40 years of involvement in shift work I never found anyone who agreed with this assessment or anyone who would have voluntarily worked shifts if not for penalty rates.

That is nobody - zilch - a big zero - ducks eggs.

So in your 40 years of shift work you produced double or 1.5 times or whatever the union determined was an appropriate rate to what your mates produced on normal time?

A business would have justified the cost of paying a worker more for those shifts specifically because it actually provides net benefit/profit.

You don't have to produce more on the weekend, if the net profit actually justifies the cost. If it didn't then that is poor management/business decision.

An example/hypothetical that Swag and others like to use: sort of like a cafe who earns most of its revenue on Sat/Sun -> you would hire staff with penalty rates specifically as this is where break even/profit occurs.

Just how many more "coffees" can one sell on the weekend before market saturation because you hired more staff at lower rates?

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Reply #156 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 10:17am

stunspore wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

stunspore wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/shiftwork

Certainly doing shiftwork has negative effects on health and lifestyle. Should this attract penalty rates?

Shift workers get a shift allowance.

Wonder how much one's health is worth...

You lefties think its worth nothing as you refuse to pay anything for it...... Cheesy

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Reply #157 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 10:19am

Swagman wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 10:17am:

stunspore wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 11:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

stunspore wrote on Dec 24^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/shiftwork

Certainly doing shiftwork has negative effects on health and lifestyle. Should this attract penalty rates?

Shift workers get a shift allowance.

Wonder how much one's health is worth...

You lefties think its worth nothing as you refuse to pay anything for it...... Cheesy

Neither does Bossy.... Bossy wants to lower the price of health and happiness so as to increase profit...

That kind of leadership will get you sleeping with a grenade every night of the week.... don't laugh... we may soon see a return of the Molly Maguires.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #158 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 10:33am Quote: One should not assume that just because someone is unemployed, that they want to work weekends without the penalty rates. ......and equally, one should not assume that they don't.
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Reply #159 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 11:14am

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One should not assume that just because someone is unemployed, that they want to work weekends without the penalty rates. Sad

wouldnt dream of it mate???>...we even know of people that refuse to catch a bus to work.. if its not on the corner they couldnt possibly do it..

its not unusual today...

sadly we have created a monster... jobs now have to fit in with those who cant be bothered.....its all to easy.

and if you should want me to work on a Sat Sun... pay me double ...as everyone knows its harder to lift a cup on a Sat and Sunday than a Monday or Tues....

everyone knows that.

what a pity mums dont get double time.. wouldnt that be something.. Cheesy

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85238 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #160 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:43pm 800,000 unemployed speak otherwise about people being picky about work...
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #161 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 7:28pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:43pm: 800,000 unemployed speak otherwise about people being picky about work... Using raw numbers rather than % based can be misleading.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75114 Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #162 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 9:31pm Swagman wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 10:33am: Quote: One should not assume that just because someone is unemployed, that they want to work weekends without the penalty rates. ......and equally, one should not assume that they don't. those that want to are still free to work.
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Reply #163 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 10:35pm

stunspore wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 25^th, 2015 at 5:43pm:

800,000 unemployed speak otherwise about people being picky about work...

Using raw numbers rather than % based can be misleading.

800,000 unemployed plus an estimated times two under-employed out of a workforce of twelve million... easy..... close to 20%.... then there are those who job-jump all the time thus cluttering up the system for those seeking work..... amazing...

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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: Liberals want penalty rates cut Reply #164 - Dec 25^th, 2015 at 11:31pm That's better, Grap. Easier to relate to those figure. I prob wonder the relative accuracy but sure I will take it on blind faith.
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